User talk:DerbyCountyinNZ

Are you a Kiwi?

i.e. Are you Zealander??--123FM (talk) 11:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes indeed!

Thank you!--123FM (talk) 12:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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Godfrey Rampling

Ever since the death of Roger Beaufrand, the position of "oldest living Olympic champion" has remained vacant. The oldest I could find was Godfrey Rampling, hence I added him to my watchlist to see if any new information would arise. What do you think? Oldest? Or is there someone older? Also, the issue of the oldest living Olympic athlete (with or without medal) was discussed at Talk:Arthur Marshall (engineer), with no conclusive results (though I did manage to eliminate many possible candidates). Cheers, CP 02:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Something I have wondered about for a while! Which is why I made a list of the oldest and earliest medallists and Champions for all track and field events (I hope to make a page out of it eventually). Rampling is the oldest of either sex for any medal as far as I can find. The oldest female medallists appear to be Eileen Hiscock (25 Aug 09) for 4x100 and Marjorie Clark (6 Nov 09) for 80H. Oldest Gold medallist is Evelyn Furtsch (17 April 14) for 4x100. There are no death dates for most of the relay medallists from 1932 and 1936 which I suspect is omission rather than evidence that they are still living.

I was going to check on the swimming medallists next but there are too few entries to make it worth while. Haven't even looked at other sports. This site: [1] has some good info (including Pietro Rava last 1936 Football Gold medallist) but unfortunately seems to have stopped at December 06. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ 10:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, I was thinking of playing around with that idea in my sandbox too, but not just with medalists, with all Olympians too. I think I'm going to to a little bit of a prototype today and then keep adding to it bit by bit. Anyhow, keep up the good work! Cheers, CP 14:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's my prototype. Since I don't plan on making this a page, feel free to take, steal, mangle etc. to your liking. Cheers, CP 15:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Just for the record, I'm not sure that Augustin Chantrel is alive, or even made it to 100. Cheers, CP 03:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't sure that I should add him to the centenarians list, I should have asked if you intended to or not. I assume that as his bio was only started this year it was after his 100th last year (assuming the 11.11.06 DoB is correct) and that he is more than likely still alive.DerbyCountyinNZ 06:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Not only did the source for Chantrel provide his ever-elusive date of death, but it also provided us a source for the last three likely "oldest living Olympic athletes" – Lajos Homonnai followed by Carmelo Camet and then by Signe Johansson-Engdahl. Cheers, CP 00:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It's great to get more information! I wonder if starting some sort of page would help in filling in the blanks...?DerbyCountyinNZ 01:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

The only problem would be that the whole "oldest living athlete" thing is very subjective. Looking at the American papers, for example, they were claiming in 2002 that a woman born in 1906 was the oldest living Olympian which, at the very least, ignored Marshall, Homonnai, Camet, Johasson-Engdahl, Feroze Khan and, strangely enough, their own James Stillman Rockefeller. The Olympic committee only puts in the effort for tracking the gold medal winners – thus we have a clear lineage from Rockefeller to Khan to Roger Beaufrand... I don't mean to discourage you, and I'd love to help, I just suspect it wouldn't last long. Once that Olympic project is released to the public, however, it may become much more plausible. Cheers, CP 01:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough! I've thought of raising it on the trackandfieldnews messageboard, I'm sure there's plenty of people on there who could provide useful info but I don't know whether other sports have the same kind input. Might be a few weeks before I get onto it...a few other things to sort out first!!Cheers.DerbyCountyinNZ 02:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

You mean like this? Haha. Cheers, CP 02:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

A-ha! Exactly what I was after!!DerbyCountyinNZ 02:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I found a gold medalist older than Rampling but younger than Beaufrand who may still be living Robert Wyman. A new contender for the oldest living gold medalist. Cheers, CP 02:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Definitely an intersting person! A champion athlete who won a Gold medal in Ice Hockey, for Britain (probably happens all the time in Canada)!!!DerbyCountyinNZ 23:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Another possibility in the "good news" category: Joachim Spremberg. By the way, I hope you don't mind me bringing these things up on your talk page... it's getting kind of long... Cheers, CP 04:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

No worries!! Can't keep track of everything so it all helps!DerbyCountyinNZ 04:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thomas Richards

Just to let you know, there's an error on your user page. Thomas Richards (athlete) of the Marathon is deceased. Cheers, CP 04:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that! The DoD has just been added in the last couple of days. I had a feeling he might have already died...DerbyCountyinNZ 04:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Another recently added DoD: Amelia Piccinini. Cheers, CP 14:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers! I suspect there are a few more out there that will eventually be updated. Btw, I had a quick look on the OlyMAD site for a few swimmers but there is too much information missing.E.g. of the 1932 Japanese 4x200 relay squad of 6 there is a DoD for only 1, whereas the last USA swimmer from the same event died in the 1990s!DerbyCountyinNZ 00:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Piccinini's replacement Klavdia Tochonova is deceased as well. Cheers, CP 18:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

More bad news: John Woodruff died on October 30. Cheers, CP 16:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a real shame! Well, I suppose they all are, but he was a biggie...DerbyCountyinNZ 08:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

According to this site Marjorie Clark is deceased as well (tot means dead in German). I'm not sure how reliable it is, but all the other ones on the site that were listed as dead (they have many Olympians from different fields) were either listed as "possibly living" or were dead. Clark was the only one that was listed in the "Living people" category. I added the information, but what are your thoughts? Cheers, CP 17:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, although it's likely she is deceased I think I'll wait for confirmation, and preferably a DoD. OlyMAD has DoDs for non-medallists and even non-finalists so missing a medallist would be unusual if not unlikely!DerbyCountyinNZ 23:16, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

You're not having much luck with your lists! Delbert Mann (oldest and earliest Academy Award winner for Best Director) has died. Cheers, CP 23:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I hope it's not some sort of curse!!!DerbyCountyinNZ 01:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Herb McKenley has died. Whatever you do, please don't add me to any tables of yours. =P Cheers, CP 02:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear! They're falling faster than the WWI vets!!DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 10:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Lillian Palmer has been deceased since 2001. Cheers, CP 17:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

John Winter of the high jump died on December 5. Cheers, CP 20:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

According to Violet Webb's obituary, all British female athletes born before her (February 3, 1915) are deceased. Cheers, CP 18:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that, always thought it was likely that if there were any still alive from the 1930s there would be some news about them somewhere.

This may be of use to you - it lists the five oldest Canadian living Olympians as of Summer 2005. Of those, the first three (Tancock, Saunders and Meretsky) have already died. It's notable because it indicates that Eva Dawes and Dorothy Brookshaw must have died, otherwise they'd be listed (and certainly, as medal winners, it's highly unlikely that they would have been overlooked). Cheers, CP 17:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

It would seem so. Strange that there is no reference to her death online, I would have thought it would be mentioned somewhere...

Hey Derby, I noticed that on your Olympic Swimming page, you list Alan Ford as one of the oldest living competitors... but he died in November 2008. Just thought that you might want to know! Cheers, CP 06:19, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Puck Oversloot as well, it would seem. Cheers, CP 20:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Cheers, when I checked the pre-1948 (didn't get as far as 1948) names yesterday Puck Oversloot's death hadn't been added!!

NZ-geo-stubs

Gidday, fan of the Rams! This is just a short note to say that, since there are now a huge number of New Zealand geography stubs, each region has its own stub template. So if you're making any more stubs like Port Underwood (good work, BTW!), then you can add {{Marlborough-geo-stub}} rather than the genetic {{NZ-geo-stub}}. Cheers! Grutness...wha? 00:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers! I'll make sure I check for the region next time!!DerbyCountyinNZ 00:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Oldest Olympians

I see that you are gathering info about oldest olympians. I have couple of more for you, hope these help:

• If to believe Hungarian Olympic Committee, then Zoltan Soós-Hradetzky (bronze medallist in shooting in 1932) died just two months short of his 105th birthday in February 2007 [2] (under Sportolónév type Hradetzky and hit enter, no direct link possible).

• The oldest lived Olympic medallist to my knowledege was Finland's Jalmari Kivenheimo. ISOH Obituary (pdf document).

• Sweden's Count Louis Pehr Sparre (4th place in fencing in 1912) lived over 101 years [3].

Also Yevgeni Maskinskov died already in 1985. I have edited his page accordingly.

Gh 12:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Here's a fun one: Dirk Janssen, oldest Olympian (with or without a medal) ever. Cheers, CP 17:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

This might be of interest to you. I'm surprised that the BOA missed a medalist as obvious Godfrey Rampling! Cheers, CP 19:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

So am I!!!

A couple things

1. As per the source on his page, Bob Bennett (athlete) died in 1974.
2. Under Oldest and Earliest Olympic Medalists in Track and Field (male), one of the columns says "madillist"
3. Note #13 should read 1936 instead of 1926 I think

I would correct #2 and #3 myself, but some people don't like having their User pages edited by others. Cheers, CP 23:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Fixed! And have made separate pages. DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 05:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Request for Comment on List of the verified oldest people

A request for comment has been initiated at Talk:List of the verified oldest people. As you have been involved in the issue, you may wish to comment there. Cheers, CP 00:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

New Zealand at the Beijing Olympics

Hi. I notice you've been removing the red links from the article New Zealand at the 2008 Summer Olympics. This is contrary to standard procedure. If you look at the articles for other countries, you'll see that all athletes have links, red or blue depending on whether or not the article exists yet. The reason is simple: Often, many different articles will contain a same athlete's name, and those red links will all simultaneously turn blue once the article about the athlete is created. It makes things simpler and more efficient. Aridd (talk) 11:19, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I have seen this applied differently on many other (non-Olympic) pages. The problem is that the pages don't get created leaving a mess of redlinks which may sit there indefinitely. No-one seemed to be doing anything about the NZ Olympic medalists until I created all the missing pages, and most of them were far more notable than the redlinks on the 2008 team. It is reasonable to assume that a great many non-medal winners might never have their own page especially if they have never won (and don't later) a world championship event or similar. I wouldn't be surprised if a page created for someone who was merely selected for the Olympics and was in no other way notable would sooner or later come up as Afd. Cheers. DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 23:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll leave it to your discretion. I've been creating articles on various past and present Olympians, and I've found red links to be useful in that regard, but I also see your point about many of them being destined to remain red links indefinitely. Aridd (talk) 10:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

How have you not gotten one yet???

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For an incalculable amount of work and dedication recently that has, until now, gone somewhat unappreciated. Cheers, CP 02:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Swimming records

DerbyCountyinNZ, centralised discussion of how to standardise articles on swimming records is taking place at User:Yboy83/Records in swimming project/Discussion. All suggestions are welcome. For what is worth, a reference to newspaper article gives further information that the official list may not give, such as the meet where the record set, whether the record was set in a heat, semi, relay etc. -- Ianblair23 (talk) 12:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Surviving silent film actresses

Since you seem to be interested in this subject, you might be interested in knowing about Adele De Garde. Cheers, CP 03:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

And Mona Ray. Cheers, CP 23:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Sporting notability

Is there a clear Wikipedia guideline on the notability of sporting events? I think the Women's World Chess Championship only takes place every 2 years. PatGallacher (talk) 11:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Longevity claims

Greetings,

I attempted to add the following reference for Elizabeth Johnson:

http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=4285982&nav=2CSf

Of course that was in 2005...Ryoung122 08:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm a bit lazy, if you wish to add the other "last update known"'s, I'd appreciate it. Since it seems that there is a pattern of news organizations reporting on an unverified claim, then not following up on it, a lot of these cases grow stale, and after a time people go "where did that come from"? Sadly, the Baji Safaorva story was on Lexis-Nexis news in 2006, but they have reorganized their database and I can no longer find the Azerbajiani story. However, she is still on the GRG page here, which could be a possible site: http://www.grg.org/Adams/J.HTM

Sincerely, Ryoung122 19:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

"summarise events only"

I got you good. "(→September: Rmv excess text; this page is iintended to summarise events only)" Okay so the edit you made is definitely right. But there is a problem, take look at 2012 in December. Yup, please help me summarize Dec. 21, and remove Dec. 23 as it is speculation. Okay? Get to it (okay seriously, I really hate that huge story instead of a sentence). So please do something about it, I have tried it but have gotten reverted. Thanks and you will need luck. Cheers. — Orion11M87 (talk) 23:27, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh wait, another section about the same thing on 2012, enjoy 2012#Metaphysical predictions. LOL Cheers! — Orion11M87 (talk) 23:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

That whole calendar entry really should not be there (on many levels)! Short of making a request to the Years Project to intercede (which is what I had to resort to to clean up 2008) it looks like any attempt to remove, or even reduce, the entry will just be reverted. And if we're talking huge quantities of non-notables try 2008 in music! It's so bad I gave up on it... Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 00:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I know, you are definitely right. I came to you because you probably have more experience than I do, but still of-course that page can't be fixed by just one or two, so it's time to get some more people who are experts and sysops and get 'em to work. I am going talk to User:Arthur Rubin for now and soon other experts and then start a discussion on 2012:talk. I hope I make it to the finish line. Cheers! — Orion11M87 (talk) 01:20, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Living Supercentenarians

Regarding the below edits,

Current revision as of 00:33, 14 September 2008 (edit) (undo)DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk | contribs) (Undid revision 238233480 by 87.11.141.137 (talk)The column is for country of residence only)

perhaps a separate column for "country of birth" might be warranted? The current format has room for expansion...Ryoung122 02:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

Would you like to have rollback? It's an efficient way of reverting vandalism, but should only be used for blatant vandalism and not in a content dispute.-gadfium 04:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

So that's what that is! Have seen it used but didn't know how. Yes, I'd like to give it a go. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 09:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Done.-gadfium 19:01, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 21:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

New Zealand head of State in 1800

Hi. Thank you for your clarification, and for all your work on those articles. However, the issue of British rule over New Zealand prior to the ToW, even nominal rule, seems to me disputable. British authorities in the 1830s clearly considered that they had no jusrisdiction. The Declaration of the Independence of New Zealand was formally recognised in the UK, and Hobson was instructed to obtain the consent of chiefs for annexation, indicating quite clearly that New Zealand was not yet British territory. Letters from New Zealand in the late 1830s expressed fears of potential French annexation; settlers obviously believed that New Zealand was not yet British. Of course, you're right that the boundaries of NSW included New Zealand, but the British themselves don't seem to have viewed that as sufficient. It seems to me a little odd to say that King George was head of State in New Zealand in 1800. I'll leave it in, now that there's the footnote, because technically it's not entirely incorrect, but it was at best a detail of legal fiction. In any case, thanks again for your good work. Aridd (talk) 15:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm fine with leaving things as they are, with the footnote to clarify the ambiguity. Or perhaps the footnote could be moved into the text of the article itself. Aridd (talk) 09:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

2008 : Alexei Cherepanov

He may not be internationally notable, but he does seem to have articles in 9 non-English languages. I'm not going to put him back in, but it's probably not worth edit-warring about. Also, I'm going to be off-wiki for at least 10 hours, so there's no urgency to respond. I just wanted to let you know why I put him back in. The other ones were clearly unsuitble or had less than 9 foreign-language articles. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 03:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Why

Isn't this edit a little WP:POV? Jonathan321 (talk) 23:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I guess you're right, but it's the only thing on the news back here in the states. Jonathan321 (talk) 20:17, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:List of longest lived state leaders

Would you mind giving input on my last two postings?

Thanks, Star Garnet (talk) 02:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Years

In 2009, WikiProject Years developed a essay for the inclusion of events "recent year" articles.

Important policy discussions took place in January 2009 at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years.

Deilvered by §hepBot (Disable) at 01:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC) on request of Wrad

GRG Typos

Greetings, Dr Coles sometimes misspells names, so any newly-added case is not certain until I double-check it. "Florence" Poe is correct.

Sincerely Robert Young