User talk:Aervanath

On SWIFT portal

Please see link for my response to admins concerning deleting of portal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anna_Lincoln#SWIFT_Portal Thanks Nicolas39 (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I've responded there and at the deletion review.--Aervanath (talk) 14:20, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for responding. I have tried to discuss with the three admins who felt that the SWIFT portal was too narrow. However i provided a defence of which I still have not received a response. My defence still lies in the fact that the UN has its portal - SWIFT, albeit being smaller, serves the same role as the UN but to a different community. SWIFT is a non-profit and non-commerical organisation involved in Standards for the financial community and collaborates with ISO and the UN CEFACT. Based on this reasoning how can one have a portal and the other not? Furthermore it has come to my attention that microsoft has its portal - if this is the case than I would have to declare that the deletion of SWIFT portal is positive discrimination. How can a profit and commerically orientated company be a valid portal topic and how is this not too narrow? A valid logical response would be appreciated. Thanks Nicolas39 (talk) 09:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

You might be interested

...in WT:Requests_for_adminship#I.27m_going_to_regret_this. I imagine it will seem pointless to a lot of people, at first; my idea is not to explain or justify it too much, that would spoil it. And if you want to form your own committee, or volunteer to help other people who want to form a committee, by helping them write position statements, back them up with diffs, or find allies, feel free to sign up as a volunteer at WP:RFACOM. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 15:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Huh; I'd already worked up something similar at WP:RTPC. Now that we've got pages for it, anyway, I guess we can start going through the page systematically.--Aervanath (talk) 15:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Oops! I'm sorry, I didn't know. Well, you're welcome to do that, but maybe it would be better to do it as part of a committee; let me explain. In the past, every attempt to represent questions and answers at RFA has failed. "Politics" is the wrong way to describe it, because you can't have politics where there's no actual power to pass any laws, but committee work is similar to politics, so I'll describe what I mean in political terms. If you gave a yes-no survey to everyone in the U.S. Senate, all you'd find is that everyone seems to want the same thing. There are no pro-tax people, only anti-tax and fair-tax people. There are no pro-abortion people, only pro-choice and pro-life. There are no pro-big-government people ... etc. No matter what question you're asking and how you frame it, politicians and their constituents will insist on rejecting the way you frame it and framing it in their own way. So: do your organizing according to what makes sense to you, but give some thought to what your assumptions are, how you see RFA. Can you give me 3 or 4 RFAs where you stated a rationale that would give me a good general idea of what you're looking for in candidates? - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 17:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Can I tweak WP:RTPC to say that it's a one-time thing rather than an ongoing process? I'm fine with going through a lot of recent threads with you and using that to give us an idea of what questions people think are important, and it might help us guess what the answers are going to be. But I'm pretty sure we won't be able to get everyone to agree to how to frame the questions; the survey will mutate into various surveys that frame the questions differently, and those are the surveys that people will actually want to answer. We will probably get burned if we don't give people broad latitude in framing questions and answers. We can use WP:RTPC to keep track of this process, if you like. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 20:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Protonk suggested at WT:RFA#Committees that we start with RFA Review. A downside would be that, for some people, that's old news; an upside would be that many people put a lot of thought into their responses, and also that we could probably get more help if we start there. What do you think? - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 22:29, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

About WP:RTPC: I'm not married to that, so if you think we should just delete it and use the page you created, that's fine. :) As far as participating at WP:RREV, sure, I guess I could help out there, too. In a perfect world, though, we'd have someone coordinating the talk page on a daily basis, to make sure people don't miss the current debates, AND people working at WP:RREV, so that the well-thought-out responses (which are quickly getting out-dated) don't get left behind, either. Also, I was never involved at WP:RREV before, so it'll take some time to poke around and figure out how it works. I'll wander over there and poke around there, though. Thanks.--Aervanath (talk) 03:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

←I just posted this on G-Guy's talk page, I'll probably post it to Kingturtle's and Protonk's talk pages soon:

Several people have indicated they're interested in either participating in my February RFA project or looking over our shoulders; here's the game plan. Anyone who hasn't seen Conflicting Wikipedia philosophies at Meta before, take a quick look. It's now standard stuff, although it was controversial in its day; it outlines various wiki-philosophies such as Eventualism vs. Immediatism and Sysopism vs. Rehabilism vs. Politicism. I think you can see the same conflicts showing up at RFA; in fact, people don't generally argue "philosophies" much these days ... except during RFAs and at WT:RFA, so RFA seems to be the new forum for some old fights and also a few new ones. The lead section to that page says: "People with different views on these spectra may be stuck in a conflict which is actually a meta-conflict." Bingo. For the solution to that problem, I suggest the same old solution: invite people who share similar philosophies to talk with each other and build their case. If you're interested in seeing how this project plays out, watchlist WP:RFACOM. (Not watchlisting userpages in February, sorry, too much work to do; feel free to drop a note on my userpage or participate at RFACOM.)

My feeling is that, if we attempt to summarize the "positions" reflected in the RFA Review and in RFAs, there's a really good chance that we'll make the problem worse instead of better unless we make it really clear that people with different philosophies get to frame the questions and answers in their own ways. I will take a stab at making some committees and giving a rough outline of different "positions", but I'll try to be clear that it's only a rough guess, and people who really hold those philosophies are the ones who should be arguing for their philosophy. After we've made a little progress on setting up several committee pages, then it will be a lot easier to make progress on moving opinions from RFA Review onto the talk pages of the appropriate committees, so that adherents can refactor and hone the arguments as they see fit. Please feel free to contribute in any way you like. We don't need to get rid of your page, I just see moving the information from there to one or more committee talk pages as an important part of the process. (Not watchlisting, but feel free to email, post on my talk page, and/or discuss at RFACOM.) - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 20:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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The editprotected that you did for me needs tweaking!

The {{SPIold}} shouldn't have a : in front of it (having the colon causes the the list to not display properly).

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 Done--Aervanath (talk) 07:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Page move from Serenity (franchise) to Firefly (franchise)

You recently performed the above page move after five days with no objection to the move request. As luck would have it, someone's come in a day late to object (see Talk:Firefly_(franchise)). As I'm not sure what the exact protocol is over this, whether the objecter should try another move request or whatever, so I thought I'd ask for your input. Thanks. – The Parting Glass 15:21, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Thought I'd additionally point out that I listed the page move under potentially controversial page moves, linking to the move request all over the place. It's unlikely that the single opposing voice (who created the Serenity franchise article currently in redirect) missed it. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of 1911 talk template

Hi Aervanath, I was hoping you would do me the kindness of relisting the deletion discussion for Template:1911 talk. I expected a bigger response and better discussion from people, and it seems that the last person to comment didn't even bother reading the nomination statement. Thanks. --Eastlaw ^talk ⁄ _contribs 06:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

 Done--Aervanath (talk) 07:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. --Eastlaw ^talk ⁄ _contribs 12:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Semi-wikibreak

Due to the onset of real life concerns, I will only be on Wikipedia for brief periods at unpredictable times. This may or may not cease. I will try to log on at least once or twice a week to respond to direct queries. If you need immediate administrative assistance, you can use WP:ANI or WP:AN.--Aervanath (talk) 07:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

SNOW Closing DRVs

I hope you don't take this wrong since your participation and willingness at DRV to close discussions is much appreciated buy please don't SNOW DRV discussions. Its not traditionally how we do things there and, since its the last court of appeal for many article deletions, being seen to be fair to a proper discussion is crucial to maintaining the boards credibility. Usually we only snow or speedy close offensive or grossly bad faith nominations or rampant sockpuppetry. And if you are wondering, I was previously the worst offender at DRV for snowing discussions early ;-) Spartaz ^Humbug! 00:04, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for requesting so nicely. :) I'll guess I'll be less enthusiastic about it, then. When I first started closing DRV discussions, there was a backlog a week long. Since I can never predict when I'm going to be on-wiki, I try to get ahead in those areas which have had a backlog in the past; a sort of proactive backlog prevention, as it were. You're the first person who's actually said anything about my early closes, so it's obviously not pissing too many people off.  :) While I've read Wikipedia:Process is important, I don't fully agree with it. Can I ask when and why you stopped snow-closing DRV's?--Aervanath (talk) 05:49, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I'm probably still the worst offender out there but I'm very inactive so I barely close anything these days. I did blank a DRV yesterday for sockpuppetry and vote stacking by a banned user. Does that count? I appreciate your willingness to listen on this point. I'm sure that its not been an issue because DRV is no longer as polemical as it used to be but it does tend to attract new users which is why I asked. As I said, if a DRV is being used as an attack platform, the nominator gets banned/blocked or there is nasty socking going on we close early but otherwise we usually let them ride. Having a bit of a backlog is fine as we rarely have that much activity at DRV these days. Somedays the tumbleweed flowing through is the only movement on the board. Thank you again for your understanding Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I will let the tumbleweed roll for the requisite five days, then. Cheers!--Aervanath (talk) 08:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Assyrian Christian Stele (2nd nomination)

It has been proposed that Nestorian Stele be renamed and moved to Memorial of the Propagation in China of the Luminous Religion from Daqin. Please give your views on the talk page for this article. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:28, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

There is no way you should have closed the 2nd AFD. For what feels like the the 100th time I've had to say this, it is not a naming dispute, it is an OR issue. The move request at Nestorian Stele was dealing with terms that appeared in academic literature, and was a naming discussion involving WP:NAME WP:NPOV. The move discussion at Nestorian Stele has nothing to do with the issues with title "Assyrian Christian", which does not appear in a single source. The WP:RS and WP:OR issues specific to the "Assyrian Christian Stele" redirect HAVE STILL NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. There is still a WP:OR issue, and this redirect needs to be deleted. Read what I wrote on the 2nd AFD to be sure you understand the issue here. Please quickly reopen this and do not make me put up a deletion review again. Right, missed the part about listing it at Redirects for discussion. I just saw it closed a freaked out a bit, sorry. Otebig (talk) 14:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

No sweat. :) I was trying to save you time, actually. Cheers, --Aervanath (talk) 15:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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Your input has been requested in response to a brief message here. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Laquidara

Aervanath:

First of all, thank you so much for being the first editor who was easily accessible and offered to help with my situation. As I already mentioned, I made the mistake of trying to add information to my own posted biography which I knew to be accurate, but which went against the criteria of editing set forth here on Wikipedia.

The problem now is, I don't know which entries are the ones which should be edited out or changed in order to delete the “citation” which appears at the top- a citation which questions the integrity of all the other information in the bio. I am not good at all with computer editing and using all the code words and symbols that must go into the project, so I really am okay with someone doing it for me. I would prefer not to have a bio on Wikipedia at all, rather than have a bio with the words, “A major contributor to this article appears to have a conflict of interest with its subject.”

To the average non-expert computer person, this “citation” takes away any credibility to the bio that follows.

If there is any way you can help, I would be eternally grateful. As I have previously said, I would have no problem with someone like yourself simply going through the bio and deleting any controversial or non-complying words, sentences or paragraphs. I would be okay with just the simple: “Charles Laquidara- radio announcer in Boston Massachusetts from 1969 to 2000” Anything that would get rid of the citation!

I am not sure where to go from here, but I will try and post right here all the different ways to communicate with me. My phone is 808 268-1525. My e-mail is charles@radiowaveX.com and my blog is http://bigmattress.com/weblog/

Please please get in touch with me at your earliest convenience and tell me what to do- or do what you can on the bio now with my total and absolute permission. charles@radiowaveX.com Laquidara (talk) 18:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Charles Laquidara

Hello, given this request [2] and the prety non-encyclpedic nature of much of the article (albiet sourced) is it appropriate to stubify the article to something like the current lede and remove the notice on top? (I came here because I noticed that you offered to help on his talk page.)-- The Red Pen of Doom 10:51, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Since I think all he wants to do is get rid of the {{coi}} tag at the top, I don't think it's necessary. If he actually does have valid, specific objections to a large portion of the article, then stubbifying would be appropriate until we can sort it out according to WP:BLP. However, at the moment, a scan of the article revealed nothing that would violate any policies, so probably no need to do it at this time. As we're now actively cooperating on the article, I think the situation is de-escalating to the point where no drastic action is needed.--Aervanath (talk) 16:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

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Many Thanks

Aervanath:

      I left a message thanking you somewhere else on these pages (I am sure it was the wrong place) but then just discovered this page to contact you. 
     Again- Thank you so much for helping me with my “citation” problem. You are the only tech support editor of all that I asked for help to come through for me. As they say in Hawai'i, mahalo a million times. I swear I will never go near this bio of mine again- Take that to the bank! Thank you thank you again.

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Pandemic (South Park)

Hi. Can you offer your opinion on the conflict described here? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 00:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)