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Nick Wolf

Hello there... Finally someone that helped me!

Hey Dori, perhaps we can communicate here about getting Nick Wolf a wikipedia page

I just wanted to say Thank You for your fixes to my article about Nick Wolf...

I was just wondering if i could perhaps get that page for Nick Wolf up... Allot of people will find in informational... Nick has been compared to another author seen on wikipedia: Alec Greven

All Nick would want is a nice small wikipedia page such as what Alec has... He does not wish to promote his book. Is it at all possible for you to post up the little blurb about Nick? You did a good job with the article and i appreciate it allot!... If you need more facts about Nick being legit feel free to contact me at YankeeUnit2@gmail.com ...

Once again, THANKS for the comment on the article.

Let me know if there is anything you can do...

THANKS! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.23.219 (talk) 19:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that Nick currently qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Alec has a NY Times bestseller with a mainstream publisher. Nick has a self-published book. If you can figure out how he would possibly qualify under the notability guidelines, feel free to add that to the AFC—but currently, I don't think it's going to fly. Sorry 'bout that... Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 20:09, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

RESPONSE--

I just went over the Notability guidelines for "Creative Professionals" and i found that he WOULD QUALIFY for the Notability Guidelines...

I think that Nick would follow the Author profession obviously...

Out of the guidelines i feel that he completes these:

• The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
  • He has been commented on as a role model to his peers and a town celebrity. He has also helped others in his town write and publish their own books.

• The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
  • He has the only written book of "101 Pick-Up Lines" & he has the ONLY concept of writing a book not to make money for himself, but to raise the money for cancer which is one of the reasons why he has so much media attention.

• The person's work either...(c) has won significant critical attention.
  • He has been on 2 Television News Shows, 3 Newspapers and 2 Radio Stations with more scheduled to come. It is also in the works for him to be on The David Letterman Show.

Now, i know that i am not the KING of Wikipedia like you; however, now that i pointed out the Notability aspect, would you be kind enough to please add the article for Nick Wolf that we both worked on?... It would be highly appreciated and i don't think that any harm can come from it... Please communicate with me if you have more issues with creating an article for Nick Wolf...

Thanks for the help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.23.219 (talk) 21:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

No, sorry—in this case, "peers" refers to other people already considered notable. Otherwise, the captain of every high school football team could be considered notable!

Also, self-publishing books doesn't contribute to notability.

By critical attention, WP doesn't mean media attention. A book review from a reliable source is much more useful than a David Letterman appearance.

Many people have written books on picking up women. Many people have donated proceeds for books to charitable organizations. Neither is new. If you can find an article in a reliable source that says he originated an entirely new concept, that's another story.

ROTFL? Me, King of Wikipedia? Hardly; I'm not even an admin! Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 21:43, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

RESPONSE 2--

To respond to "Peers" section, i want to point out that Notable people DO CONSIDER NICK NOTABLE. An example is posted on his website... Fellow Funny-Man Gilbery Gottfried finds Nick Notable... HERE IS THE PROOF! http://www.freewebs.com/101pickuplines/Gilbert%20Gottfried%201.jpg

To respond to the "Critical Attention" section, i want to point out that Nick did have a book review from a reliable source; a newspaper called The News Times.

To respond to "New Concept" section, on FOX and CBS Nick has been credited for being a High School Student author giving money to charity.

Does this help, Hopefully we can get it up! lol..... "It's Good To Be The King" - Mell Brooks, History of the World Part 1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.23.219 (talk) 21:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

If you can find a reliable source that covers Gilbert Gottfried saying that, then that would be a factor. A picture on his own web site? Sorry, but no. Keep in mind that the criteria requires several reliable sources quoting several peers, so it's got a ways to go.

If you're talking about this New Times article, that's about the author, not a critique of the book.

High school students giving money to charity is admirable, but it's not new.

My one real piece of advice: create an account of your own! Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 23:35, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Response--

If i make an account, who would have to approve the article for Nick Wolf? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.23.219 (talk) 02:34, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Everybody, and nobody. No one would have to approve it; so long as you're a registered editor, you can create a page. But any registered editor can tag it for CSD, PROD, or AFD. At this point, I'd have no qualms tagging it for CSD, and I suspect most admins would then delete it promptly. I'd recommend reading Your first article and BESTCOI. But really: register for an account, edit articles on topics where you don't have a conflict of interest for a few months, and then think about it again. There's no hurry for Nick to have an article, really. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 03:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

ACCOUNT RESPONSE--

I made an account but now this comes up when i try to make an article for Nick Wolf...

—Preceding unsigned comment added by YankeeUnit2 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, so now we're finally getting some truth. I've been assuming good faith, but you've been messing with me.

• The User:YankeeUnit2 account was created on 17 April 2008—almost a year ago.
• The article Nick Wolf has been speedily deleted six times, which is why it's now protected.
• You tried to create the article 101 Pick-Up Lines, which was speedily deleted.
• You've tried to create WT:Articles for creation/Nick Wolf through AFC at least six times.
• You've already been blocked once for recreating deleted articles.
• You've uploaded File:101 Pick-Up Lines Front 1st Edition.jpg twice, and it was deleted.
• You've added Nick to the Newtown, Connecticut page five times and it's been deleted every time.
• You've added a mention of Nick's book to Pick-up line five times and it's been deleted every time.

Earlier in this thread, I made it clear that Nick Wolf does not meet the criteria for a WP article. Lots of people agree with me (based on the number of deletions and AFC declines). You, however, keep feeling a need to recreate the article, and you can't, due to the above.

As I said earlier in this thread, I recommend that you drop the idea of this particular article, and instead edit articles on topics where you don't have a conflict of interest for a few months. At this point, I don't see any reason to continue to assume good faith, and I'll be ignoring any comments from you here that just repeat the same stuff over and over. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 21:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Last words--

I apologize... I am sorry that i am not use to this wikipedia posting up and down stuff lingo. I didn't realize you guys were very very picky. At first i thought that the things were'nt rite which is why they were deleted, and i tried fixing them so they would stay up... Your the only user that actually gave me and explanation of what to do..... I thank you for the tips; and i am sorry that i wasted your time...... Hopefully in some time i can get something to remain up at this site... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.23.219 (talk) 03:54, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Wells Fargo Center for the Performing Arts

Actually, while the Center has a Santa Rosa postal address, it is outside the City of Santa Rosa. The city limits are nearly a mile south of the Center, near Dennis Lane. --Stepheng3 (talk) 03:36, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

In theory, yes, it should be in Larkfield-Wikiup or Mark West. But in day-to-day life, it's thought of as being in Santa Rosa. If you look at the Center's web site, they just say "Santa Rosa," not "Santa Rosa postal address." The Santa Rosa article has included a mention of the Center as a feature of the city for a long time (at least 3 years?). So I'm comfortable putting it in Santa Rosa, unless you think that it's really an issue. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 04:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Er, actually I'm not okay with perpetuating falsehoods from day-to-day life. I wouldn't want Wikipedia to say that the Earth is flat, or that ulcers are primarily caused by stress, or that Columbus was the first person to reach America. It's certainly useful for readers to know that the Center (and the Airport, for that matter) is/are closely associated with Santa Rosa, but we shouldn't say or imply that it's in Santa Rosa.

I'm curious, by the way. Where on the website (outside of postal addresses) do they mention Santa Rosa? --Stepheng3 (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

It's in the title of nearly every Web page on the site: "Wells Fargo Center for the Arts Santa Rosa, CA" For instance: Wells Fargo Center for the Arts Technical Specs, Santa Rosa, CA 707-527-7006, ext. 130 and Wells Fargo Center for the Arts, Santa Rosa, CA Mission Statement. It's also common in their PR: their February newsletter had a headline of "Arts Center Earns NEA Grant to Bring Top Notch Dance to Santa Rosa." Here's a recent press release; you'll see that "Santa Rosa" is in the address and in the dateline and the body says "for Wells Fargo Center for the Arts in Santa Rosa."

I wouldn't call it "perpetuating falsehoods," myself—it's not as if it's in some other city, after all.

And just for the hell of it, some Google hit counts:

• "wells fargo center" "santa rosa": 78,000
• "wells fargo center" "sonoma county" "santa rosa": 11,000
• "wells fargo center" -"sonoma county" "santa rosa": 66,000
• "wells fargo center" "sonoma county" -"santa rosa": 1,440
• "wells fargo center" ("mark west" OR larkfield OR wikiup): 1,390
• "wells fargo center" ("mark west" OR larkfield OR wikiup) -"santa rosa": 33

Sounds like Google's got an opinion as to where it's located... Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 02:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the Center is not in any other city; it is on unincorporated land in Sonoma County.

All the places where Santa Rosa is mentioned in connection with 50 Mark West Springs Road (such as in the footers of the webpages) are clearly referring to its postal address, not the municipality. Lots of properties in unincorporated areas of the County (such as Larkfield) get their mail via the post office of a nearby city, and this is an example of that phenomenon.

The Google hits indicate an association, not a location. For instance, if you got lots of Google hits combining "Guantanamo Bay" and "United States" that would not imply that the bay was located in the U.S.

The "Top Notch Dance to Santa Rosa" blurb is the best evidence you've found so far. However, I believe the writer was using "Santa Rosa" in some vague or proximate sense. I hold an encyclopedia to a higher standard of accuracy than a promotional website.

My reading of the map might be considered original research. For stronger evidence that the address is in an unincorporated area, anyone can use the Registrar of Voter's district lookup page. Select "Santa Rosa" and "Mark West Springs Road" and "50 - 50 - E" and it will tell you that the address in question is "Unincorporated Area."

How attached are you to the current wording? I'd be fine saying that the Center is closely/strongly associated with the City, or located just outside the City, or has a Santa Rosa postal address. I might even go for "on the outskirts of" the City. However, I stubbornly object to saying that it's "in" the City, since it lies outside the city limits, and that's how cities are defined. --Stepheng3 (talk) 05:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Temporary injunction and your use of my monobook script

Hi DoriSmith,

I am pleased to see that you have included my monobook script for delinking dates in your monobook; I hope you've found it useful.

I have to let you know on your talk page that ArbCom has announced a temporary injunction against the "mass delinking of dates". You can still delink dates on an occasional basis; however, you may wish to be cautious and use the script only for its non-date functions until the issue is resolved by an RFC poll. You may wish to express your view on autoformatting and date linking in the RFC at: Wikipedia:Date_formatting_and_linking_poll.

Regards Lightmouse (talk) 22:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Elementary, my dear Watson...

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