Talk:Roland Perry

Dispute resolution

Att: YellowMonkey

With the complete deletion of Roland Perry content that you have done on three occasions the Adminstrator has locked the page for dispute resolution.

One user requested that the Roland Perry content be edited to remove facts that were not verified. This is a helpful suggestion. I have now studied the WikiPedia policy on Biographies_of_living_persons and believe that I can edit the content to that style.

YellowMonkey, please join with me in requesting that the Roland Perry page be unlocked by the Adminstrator so that I can make editing changes and then I would welcome your higher level editing skills to develop the material.

Haruspex101 (talk) 01:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC) (novice user)

Att: YellowMonkey

Have added broader biographical information on the subject Roland Perry -- which includes balance of sourced reviews... some positive and some critical.

The previous posts were a collection of criticism with small scope.

Please direct your higher-level edit skills towards specific parts of the new material rather than mass-deletion as an edit-war is not becoming.

Look forward to your considered edits on the material.

Haruspex101 (novice user) Haruspex101 (talk) 11:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello YellowMonkey

I have made this entry on Current Requests for Unprotection:

Roland Perry (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) Adminstrator advises he/she is now on holidays for weeks. I am a novice user and have made suggestions in the Talk Page. It may be that the YellowMonkey user (who has been deleting the new content) is a rival real-world author of the subject of the article Roland Perry. That would be a shame. Previous posts from YellowMonkey user and others earlier in the year were all critical -- one-sided in my opinion. I would like to work on Roland Perry page content to improve balance via sourced factual information. See Talk Page for my suggestion to edit content. Haruspex101 (talk) 01:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC) (novice user)

Let's edit the content together on the Roland Perry page. That's where the facts can be revealed and contested as required. That's my understanding of how Wikipedia works.

Haruspex101 (talk) 01:50, 7 July 2009 (UTC) (novice user)

CONFLICT OF INTEREST (COI) ISSUES

Background:

o Roland Perry entry in Wikipedia was seeded with a short bio entry (now out of date) in Nov 2005. Roland Perry is an internationally published author and journalist with 40 years experience, writing books, articles and filmscripts in a variety of genres -- namely US politics, Espionage, History (World War 1), Biography, Fiction and Sport (mostly cricket).

o Criticism sourced from one rival cricket writer was added on 12 Dec 2008 by Mattinbgn user

o In Jan 2009 YellowMonkey user added a series of selective sourced criticism on some of Roland Perry’s publications. There was no balance to the criticism. YellowMoney is a highly experienced Wikipedia editor and self-discloses as a cricket writer. What is YellowMonkey's motive for posting only selective critical/negative material? Is there a Conflict of Interest (COI) here?

o Attempts were made in March 2009 to remove the one-sided criticism. This was reversed by an Administrator given there was no competing material to clarify the facts in a broader context.

Haruspex101 Arrives:

o Is not Roland Perry

o Has worked with Tim Burstall and Roland Perry on film development projects

o Is a novice Wikipedia editor. Has never added Wikipedia content before, and would welcome assistance with the technical aspects of doing so.

o Collated factual sourced material on Roland Perry and posted this on Wikipedia in July 2009 using journalistic style to bridge the sourced material and some opinion. Material is not contested by Roland Perry, even though it includes a good deal of sourced criticism of Roland Perry along with the overwhelming positive reviews of Roland Perry’s broad writing career which includes journalism and 22 published books on US politics, British espionage and history (WW1), along with a variety of biography, fiction as well as cricket history.

The Response:

o YellowMonkey returns and deletes all new material in its entirety

o Johnlp user adds a helpful tag: “This article may contain wording that promotes the subject through exaggeration of non-notable facts. Please remove or replace such wording.”

o Haruspex re-edits material offline but before can make online edits YellowMonkey deletes all content again, with the result that the content becomes protected under an editing-warring freeze by an Administrator until the dispute can be resolved

The Way Forward:

o YellowMonkey please declare any Conflicts of Interest. Are you a cricket writer seeing themselves in competition with Roland Perry in cricket writing?

o Unprotect Roland Perry page. Haruspex then edits in closer Bio of Living Author style and what is now understood to be Neutral Point of View (NPOV).

o Please all-the-world contribute on the Roland Perry factual material in a balanced way.

Haruspex101 (talk) 05:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC) (novice user)

SOME DIALOGUE

YellowMonkey makes this post:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:YellowMonkey&diff=301695541&oldid=301680673

Haruspex101 replies and encourages YellowMonkey to come to this Dispute Resolution Talk Page to work together on the substantive material under dispute:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:YellowMonkey&diff=301707722&oldid=301707329

Haruspex101 (talk) 15:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC) (novice user)

And so on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:YellowMonkey&diff=301708590&oldid=301708257

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:YellowMonkey&diff=next&oldid=301708590

Haruspex101 (talk) 16:05, 12 July 2009 (UTC) (novice user)

Whole Article Deletion by YellowMonkey User

Posted NPOV revised-edits on content of Roland Perry (an internationally published author with 22 books). Content is balanced with appropriately sourced reviews (including criticism).

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roland_Perry&oldid=301966078

YellowMonkey deletes entire changes without comment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roland_Perry&diff=301966340&oldid=301966078

Dispute obviously requires independent intervention for resolution. I am a novice user. YellowMonkey is a highly experienced user. Some help to bridge the technical-skill divide is required and would be greatly appreciated.

Investigation into YellowMonkey Conflicts of Interest (COI) are also required.

Haruspex101 (talk) 01:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC) (novice user)

The Way Forward:

o Revert to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roland_Perry&oldid=301966078

o YellowMonkey please fully declare any Conflicts of Interest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haruspex101 (talk • contribs) 01:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

o Replace outdated first bio intro paragraph with the following:

Roland Perry (born 11 October 1946) is a Melbourne-based author and an occasional film-maker. He has written in a variety of genres including biography, history (World War 1), politics, espionage, sport (mainly cricket) and fiction. His nine biographies include Monash: The Outsider Who Won The War , which won "The Federation of Australian Writers Melbourne University Publishing Award" in 2004; Miller’s Luck: The Life and Loves of Keith Miller, Australia’s Greatest All-rounder , awarded Biography of the Year (2006) by the UK Cricket Society; The Fifth Man (a biography of Lord Rothschild, the Third Baron); and The Don, a biography of Sir Donald Bradman .

...as attempted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roland_Perry&diff=301966803&oldid=301966340

Haruspex101 (talk) 01:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC) (novice user)

My 2c. Firstly, YM does not have any conflict of interest. Writing in places outside of Wikipedia does not mean that a conflict of interest has taken place. If you have proof of a conflict rather than a handwaving assertion, now would be good time to produce it. Wanting NPOV and WP:V applied does not mean one has a conflict of interest.

That said, I am not opposed to much of your suggested lead, but I would remove the awards from the lead and include them later in the article. Otherwise, the lead comes across much too promotional. This is an encyclopedia, not a blurb on the back of an airport-bookshop book. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 01:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello Mattinbgn. Lead para is one issue. Do you have a view on YellowMonkey deleting the entire rest of the re-edited NPOV Roland Perry content?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roland_Perry&diff=301966340&oldid=301966078

And yes agree, case should be made for any YellowMonkey Conflict of Interest (COI) via documentation. YellowMonkey be best to please make any COI disclosures before this. Haruspex101 (talk) 02:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC) (novice user)

OK, well, I've retrieved some of the more obviously necessary (biographical) and sourced material that YellowMonkey deleted, plus a good chunk of the summary of the literary career, losing a lot of far-too-lengthy exposition of critical reception. In some cases sources could be improved. How's this look? Rd232 ^talk 15:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Rd232 That's a great synthesis. Appreciate you bringing to bear your objectivity and higher-level editing. +I have updated the first para; author Roland Perry is onto his 23rd book now. Would also appreciate following up with any questions on how to improve the content and if any further disputes brewing. Haruspex101 (talk) 00:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC) (novice user)

Thanks. You wrote a lot of good stuff - but it was just too long. If you want to reintroduce other material, I suggest you do that slowly and/or propose specific things here. For improving the article, at the moment I think focus on the lead - it could be a slightly better summary, and read better. If you're feeling ambitious for the article as a whole you could head to Wikipedia:Good articles for advice. Rd232 ^talk 02:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

OBJECTIVITY OF EDITORS

The following users have a substantial history of collaboration and association, such that comments in support of each others' edits in relation to this Roland Perry page lack objectivity, and interventions on such matters as user blocking are (and were) inappropriate:

YellowMonkey

YellowAssessmentMonkey

Mattinbgn

VirtualSteve

All of these users are Administrators entrusted with privileged user rights -- and with those rights comes a need for scrutiny and oversight.

An independent review of YellowMonkey's messages in July 2009 to these users may reveal personal requests for intervention on the Roland Perry article.

Independent editors and administrators are required for the Roland Perry article.

Also the following entry [see first edit sentence] is defamatory, libels the subject Roland Perry and invites legal action:

libels subject Roland Perry

It should be immediately deleted -- if an independent Adminstrator could please see to that.

The following "small change" version [of the sentence referred to above] leaves the comment still defamatory, libels the subject Roland Perry and invites legal action:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roland_Perry&diff=303205467&oldid=303137426

It should be immediately deleted -- if an independent Adminstrator could please see to that.

The content of the Roland Perry article has already been edited extensively by an experienced independent editor Rd232. From this base the content is best developed in a transparent way through Discussion on this Talk:Roland_Perry page before substantive edits are made with consensus to the Roland Perry article.

Haruspex101 (talk) 00:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC) (novice user)