Talk:Nintendo DSi/Archive 2

Flashcard info somewhat incorrect

The part about where DSi-compatible flashcards will work is somewhat incorrect. Please read this: http://www.nintendo-online.de/news/3836/kein-homebrew-mehr-auf-europaeischen-dsi/ It's been confirmed that on the European DSi (I assume updated), the exploit used to run flashcards has been plugged. So far no one is 100% sure on the Australian DSi. http://www.ozmodchips.com/news/march-april-news-a-32.html This may say that yes, the cards work, but GBAtemp has speculation on this matter. The tested Australian DSi above may have been old stock used to meet demand, and this means that after all the old stock is gone, the 1st gen DSi-compatible flashcards will be obsolete. http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=143260&st=15 Can someone edit the page to reflect this? Willythechilly5 (talk) 14:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not seeing where it states these flashcards will work, only that they are being produced. « ₣M₣ » 14:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

"All existing homebrew flash cards for the Nintendo DS and DS Lite are incompatible with the DSi,[26] but cards that can run DS software on a DSi are now being produced – the first one was created by Acekard." If you search on GBAtemp, you'll see enough evidence of all the info I said above. Apparently the Australian test was a demo unit, so it's not 100% yet. Willythechilly5 (talk) 04:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't specify that they work on all models. It would also be nice to have another source confirming it. Lastly, it might just be a region coding issue (wouldn't that be funny?) 70.80.31.146 (talk) 00:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The NDSTTi works on the Australian DSi, but not the old TT card. (www.ndstt.com) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.0.236.96 (talk) 22:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Graphics Engines

I haven't been able to find any concrete details on the graphics engines (2D and 3D.) It would be nice to have confirmation that they are the same as previous iterations or that one or both have been upgraded somehow. 70.80.31.146 (talk) 00:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Graphics engines are just parts of the games that developers create. They aren't built into the DS or the DSi, so any improvements in the games' graphics engines are going to be specific to the individual games. There's no across-the-board statement you can make about games' graphics engines being improved on the DSi. Tempshill (talk) 20:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Many people refer to the 2D and 3D hardware acceleration in the DS by the term "graphics engine." This is what I was asking about (it is expressly not a software question.) Semantics aside, the question of the video hardware has received no comments here, or elsewhere that I can find. 74.57.36.75 (talk) 03:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

DSi Firmware Updates

Somebodey needs to do a page for the DSi Updates. A Candela (talk) 00:20, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Not really. There's hardly any info on updates in this article, so why split it? Moreover, all content must be notable and reliably sourced, and I wouldn't say there's anything remarkable enough about such a trivial subject to make it so. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 02:30, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Would a page be up after the next update is out? A Candela (talk) 18:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Did you even read his comment? « ₣M₣ » 18:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

...No, a page wouldn't (or, technically, shouldn't) be up. What's so significant about this next update? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 19:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

The PSP had a page up so why can't DSi have one up? A Candela (talk) 02:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The DSi isn't the PSP; the nature of its updates are going to affect how notable it is. Anyway, the article in question is about its system software, not just updates, and lacks real-world coverage anyway. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 02:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

So when more updates come then there will be a article. A Candela (talk) 12:04, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

If there were enough notable updates, yes. However, I heavily doubt that's the case at the moment, considering the lack of information in this article. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 06:41, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

European Price

Would appreciate if someone would put in the price in Euro (€). The only European price up is in Sterling, which is only used in the UK. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jafin89 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

DSi and DSI

Can someone put a disambiguation link to DSI at the top of the page? as DSi redirects here, and the capitalisation of the last letter is the only difference between these two articles, it'll lead to a lot of confusion. 81.149.182.210 (talk) 14:30, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Camera Resolution

The exterior camera is 3 megapixel, not 0.3 megapixel.The interior camera is the VGA/0.3MP camera. They are different resolutions - the exterior is to take somewhat high-resolution photos and the interior is to be used as a webcam/blogcam. Just thought that this should be clarified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quiestbml (talk • contribs) 17:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Both are of 0.3 resolution. « ₣M₣ » 17:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

What i in DSi Stands for

The i in DSi and in iPod stand for "internet". iPod really stands for "internet pod" because you download music from the internet, not from the air. So the i in DSi stand for internet also because you can get internet on your DS. \ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.200.70 (talk) 22:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 01:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, the i in iPod stands for innovative, the i in DSi is a pun on the cameras (DS 'eye'). --74.233.217.133 (talk) 18:33, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

That's not what the given reliable source says. Information should always be backed up by such sources when included in Wikipedia. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 19:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}} request to add citations to Reception section:

Business Week article link: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2009/tc2009049_147316.htm CNet link http://reviews.cnet.com/nintendo-dsi/ PCWorld link http://www.pcworld.com/article/162366/nintendo_dsi_review_slimmer_more_multimediasavvy.html IGN http://gear.ign.com/articles/970/970172p2.html

I couldn't find the free software foundation link, but this link says something similar

http://www.epsilon.hlgamers.com/blog/?p=57

thanks whoever can please add these links

 Done RP9 (talk) 07:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Why DSi is protected

Hey, my name is Agbwiki. I'm the one who created the Reception article in the Nintendo DSi, but I didn't know how to put in references. That's why it's now semi-protected. Can someone unblock the page please so I can make corrections! Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agbwiki (talk • contribs) 21:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Its due to daily vandalism, in the mean time you can copy-paste the section into your own user page and work on it in there. « ₣M₣ » 12:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

DRM

I added some mention of criticism for in the platform. Superm401 - Talk 00:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Image demonstrating closed DSi

I created File:Dsi white closed upright.svg a while ago and recently uploaded it to wikipedia. I was wondering if it should replace File:Nintendo dsi closed.jpg in the article. Please give feedback! --Goldblattster (talk) 20:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind this, it has been changed. --Goldblattster (talk) 17:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Some DSi Ware fixes

{{editsemiprotected}} Its Nintendo DSi points, and the Wii points have not been changed into Nintendo points, at least not yet. Also, the offer for the free 1000 Nintendo DSi points ends October 5, 2009 and NOT march 2010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffery02 (talk • contribs)

 Not done: Hi and welcome to Wikipedia. You need to specify the text you want inserted in a "please change X to Y" sort of format when you use the editsemiprotected template. This template adds your request to a list over in a different part of wikipedia. Anyone with a little time and a desire to help can then insert your text into the article, so that you aren't prevented from making reasonable edits while the page is semiprotected. If those other editors are like me, they won't know the article well enough to grasp a general comment like the one above. You may also want to provide a reference for this information to avoid going back and forth with whoever said March 2010. The URL for the website you read it at or the name, issue, page number if you read it in a periodical is a start. When you have that worked out, put in a fresh requeast and someone will come help. Oh, by the way, you should sign your posts to the talk page by putting four tildes (~~~~) at the end. Celestra (talk) 17:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done Unless there is some other region that has the offer after Japan, it will end for everyone by 2010. If the current wording won't suffice, please say so. :P « ₣M₣ » 21:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

The Nintendo website states it's October 5, 2009: [1] --Matthew Bauer (talk) 20:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

[2] « ₣M₣ » 15:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Processors

The DSi has 1 ARM11 @ 133Mhz

please fix this

thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixer343 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

An ARM11? I believe a certain someone was going around posting that. Provide a legitimate source. « ₣M₣ » 21:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Step 16

• The logic board in its full glory.
• Chips of interest, left to right:
• Samsung 1st generation MoviNAND KMAPF0000M: 256 MB NAND Flash and MMC controller. The integrated MMC controller allows the CPU to offload the complex work of directly talking to the flash memory.
• 82DBS08164D-70L: Fujitsu Ltd 128-bit FCRAM (fast-cycle RAM) chip.
• Nintendo's custom ARM CPU. Our CPU was manufactured in September of 2008.

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Nintendo-DSi/714/2#s3793 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixer343 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

There is no ARM7 in the DSi, there is only one processor whatever it may be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixer343 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

A site that specializes on Macs took apart a DSi and listed stuff based-on-what-we-saw-on-the-motherboard is not sufficient enough to require any alteration to what is found on Arm's website. If you are going to find conflicting information, something like from Nintendo, a news agency, etc will do. « ₣M₣ » 12:39, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Colors and limited editions?

Should a "Colors and limited editions" sections be added to the page? There's one on the Nintendo DS Lite page, and a list of ones for the standard Nintendo DS has it's own page. It's notable that both versions have many different edition, but a special edition of a Nintendo DSi has been released already... And we already have 4 (or was it just 3) colors released... I don't see why we should add a section now, unless one wanted to say it's be kind of small. ~m190049^~talk 01:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

On this subject, the article says DSi in lime green is only available in Japan, but I'm pretty sure the video game store cleck was trying to hawk a lime green DSi to me yesterday here in America, so lime green DSi's might be avialable in America too.138.162.8.57 (talk) 11:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

there was also a phoenix wright version of it as well to promote the latest game coming out =^-^=--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

oh yeah there are also a special versions for megaman starforce 3 as well--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Can you provide a reference? « ₣M₣ » 00:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

here are the links to the games, which includes pic of the DSI's casing on both. though they aren't different if at all Mega Man Star Force® 3 Black Ace Limited Edition (DSi) Mega Man Star Force® 3 Red Joker Limited Edition (DSi) --"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments

Okay, I've been a bit less cautious than usual with the changes, but you're free as always to revert or modify as you see fit. I'm just going to leave a few comments regarding things that only the main contributor(s) can fix:

• The lead could do with beefing up. You could think of elaborating upon unique DSi features, and should definitely include info on sales and critical reception. You could also elaborate upon the development process. However, I personally feel that the last sentence (quote) is inappropriate for the lead, which is supposed to be a general summary.
• "The Nintendo DSi was conceived at the end of 2006, as the Wii began to ship". Ship where?
• "Masato Kuwahara from Nintendo's Engineering Department began development on the DSi project following instructions from his supervisor.". I'm assuming that this was not a one-man mission—did he head a team? What supervisor—surely Iwata and the like can only give such orders?
• I think it would be useful in regards to presentation for the proceeding quote in the paragraph to be presented in a block, akin to Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games.
• There's a problem with your headings in that one is labelled as "demographic and sales", yet the vast majority of sales info is include in "launch". Also, if you're heading for FA, then demographic-specific sales will be expected.
• "and in Europe on the following day for £149.99 in matte black and matte white." The pound sterling is pretty much used by the UK only. You could find some Euro sales information, although there is no currency common to all of Europe.
• I don't write console articles, so this may be standard, but try to make sure the article is user-friendly and doesn't rely heavily on jargon.
• "There are three special edition models, such as the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time model and Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days model, have also been released.[42][43]". This is just generally hard to make sense of.
• "Reception" is quite easily the weakest section of the article. It stands now as just an assortmeent of quotes from reviewers in sequence. It should perhaps be structured on individual aspects (camera, online capability, etc), and should offer a comprehensive overview. If not this, then the reliance upon quotes needs to be cut down. Try to get some reception from Japan too.
• The number of external links seems excessive.
• The range of sources is excellent, I feel. Try to secure some print resources, and this area should be a shoe-in if you're going for FA.

I'm really impressed with the article and am looking forward to see it grow as more sales data comes in. As I've said, take these prompts as suggestions and not as instructions. I'll, be monitoring the page, so reply here if you have any issues. Enjoy. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 11:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you are in a better location to find prices because I cannot find anything online. Its quite odd the P.R. never had the price in Euros. « ₣M₣ » 23:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Just a suggestion

But since you're pursuing A-class with this article, you might as well push for GA simultaneously as the article can be both A and GA at the same time, and it could give you added input on any points to tweak.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts

As requested, here are my thoughts of the article after a casual read-through. Having long stepped away from video game articles and acquiring a different perspective of the project, I hope these present another insight (one from a gamer who is more casual than before).

History
An introduction of the background that led to the conception of the DSi, followed by a description of the state of the market the DSi was launched into would help readers who are not avid followers of the gaming market.

Do this by telling readers what the gaming market was facing and the forces that led Nintendo to improve the DS.

Key points:

• How was the gaming market in the years before 2006? Was the handheld console "hot"? If yes, which was the predominant model?
• What led to the conception of the DSi? After all, there is the DS; so why build it? Was there feedback that the DS "sucked" in some way? Was it internal decision? Was it a response to its competitors?

Launch
To me, spewing out sales figures is not interesting. I would rather like to know why those figures should be important to me. Rather than listing every price of every version, pick out the most notable price or the common market price if there is none. I.e. unless someone went to bid $600 at an auction to buy a $20 handheld, the only price we should be looking at is the merchant's recommended price (and yes, we can stick to one country, bias or not). I doubt 20–50 years from now, readers would like to read listings of launch prices (would you enjoy reading how much a can of Coke was selling in each of 30+ countries during 1908?) Stating numbers without a hint of what those figures mean could lose you readers.

Hardware
Some details are way excessive. Why should we care that the SD card slot is "behind the cover on the right-side of the handheld adjacent to the stylus holder." The average reader would be satisfied with "the DSi accepts SD cards through a slot on its right side" or something.

Reception
Feels like a simple "X says, Y says". Consolidate the opinions and use one or two sites' quotes to spice them up. Currently the section (as the conclusion of the article) ends with Bit-tech's praise, which falls flat. There is no conclusive tone to their statement. It does not sound like a final word on the DSi. The last part of the article should generally sum up the general perception of the DSi: was it a success or a failure?

General

• "..., with <noun> <verb>ing ..." is a bad form of grammar.

I am aware that some of these views conflict with the above, but I hope it offers another angle that can help develop a balance between these views or find which is to be adopted. Jappalang (talk) 02:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

A-class assement

Overall looks good, but there are a few minor details.

• Remove the ref from the lead. The info about storage and the DSi shop is mentioned in the main article in different sections, therefore is not needed per WP:LEAD.
  •  Done
• Should be noted on backwards compatability that Nintendo doesn't plan to offer download play for GBA games as it came up on their FAQ
  •  Done
• This may be too English-centric in the reviews. For an A-class article about a world-released item I'd expect some non-English reliable sources commenting.
  •  Not done
• An image of the menu system as it is radically different from the Nintendo DS may be appropriate.

That's about it. The prose seems fine overall and other than those mentioned, everything seems covered.陣内_Jinnai 20:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll see what else I can do. « ₣M₣ » 02:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Updating status.陣内_Jinnai 20:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Homebrew

Should we say that the DSi will not work with homebrew cartridges? Or at least the CycloDS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.148.49 (talk) 15:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Only if there are independant reliable sources that cover that. We do not censor information at Wikipedia, but we also don't cover the topic if no one covers anything about flashcarts and the DSi.陣内_Jinnai 00:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nintendo DSi/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I am beginning a GA review of this article. Please feel free to leave any questions, comments and other reviews below. Thanks! Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 11:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Pre-GA Questions, Comments and Other Reviews

My GA review will be coming very soon. Thanks for your patience! Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 15:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

GA REVIEW - Pass

This is an excellent article, very well-written, full of detail without being too "crufty." I made a few grammatical edits here and there, but could find little else to fault. It is MoS-compliant, neutral in tone, well-illustrated and stable. I was blown away by the quantity, quality and variety of the citations and references provided, from third-party sources as well as Nintendo's own documentation. This article certainly deserves listing as a WP:GA and I will make it so.

Vicenarian ^{(Said · Done)} 17:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Upload DSi Pics To Facebook With New Update

A system update is available for the DSi in Japan and Europe which allows you to upload snaps taken on your DSi directly to your Facebook account.

Nintendo have today launched a new system update for the Nintendo DSi in Europe and Japan which allows users to upload pictures taken with their DSi cameras directly to Facebook.

After taking some pictures with your DSi Camera, you can scroll through your photo album and click the Facebook icon on the pictures you wish to upload. Through various acts of witchcraft, you can log in to Facebook through your album, and within seconds the photo will be uploaded and available for all to view on your account!

According to Joystiq, the firmware update also brings "faster image display speed in [the] DSi camera." It may also be of interest to those who use the DSi Browser a lot to know that an update for this software can be downloaded from the DSi Shop.

To download DSi firmware v1.4, head into your System Settings on the DSi Menu, toggle to the fourth page of options, and select System Update. Make sure you're within range of a Wi-Fi access point, and you're good to go!