Roux said [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=310385864&oldid=310385609 at the ANI thread], ''ASE was restricted, he knew he could contact any admin privately, instead he decided to ignore the restriction (as he had previously announced he would) and play the martyr (as usual).'' Well, once again another person who is talking about something they obviously have no clue on. I'll say it once again, because apparently the time I said it in the ANI thread and the several times I've said it here haven't been said enough... I did contact an admin privately. A day later, when I saw no action had been taken, I reported to ANI. Follow the history Roux, or butt out. - [[User:Allstarecho|<span style="position:relative;display:inline-block;color:#222;line-height:1.3em;border:1px solid #bbb;"><i style="position:absolute;z-index:-1;bottom:0;width:7.4em;height:8px;background:#eee;"> </i> '''a'''llstar<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span><span class="Unicode" style="color:blue;">'''e'''cho </span></span>]] <small> 16:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)</small>
Roux said [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=310385864&oldid=310385609 at the ANI thread], ''ASE was restricted, he knew he could contact any admin privately, instead he decided to ignore the restriction (as he had previously announced he would) and play the martyr (as usual).'' Well, once again another person who is talking about something they obviously have no clue on. I'll say it once again, because apparently the time I said it in the ANI thread and the several times I've said it here haven't been said enough... I did contact an admin privately. A day later, when I saw no action had been taken, I reported to ANI. Follow the history Roux, or butt out. - [[User:Allstarecho|<span style="position:relative;display:inline-block;color:#222;line-height:1.3em;border:1px solid #bbb;"><i style="position:absolute;z-index:-1;bottom:0;width:7.4em;height:8px;background:#eee;"> </i> '''a'''llstar<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span><span class="Unicode" style="color:blue;">'''e'''cho </span></span>]] <small> 16:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)</small>
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Per the discussion at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#AllStarEcho_restricted]..
"Allstarecho shall not directly or indirectly, interact with, or comment about Bluemarine, Durova or Matt Sanchez, at any time, anywhere on Wikipedia. If Allstarecho violates this sanction, he will be banned from Wikipedia for 2 weeks for the first incident, 1 month for the second incident, and 1 year for the third incident.".
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"Additionally regarding Mr. Collins, please stop adding him to List of people from Mississippi as well as Drew, Mississippi and List of people from Detroit. Wikipedia policies on notability and memorials apply to lists as well". Thanks. - allstar▼echo 19:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
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What you convey in your message is preposterous; you cannot possibly hold such a high standard to a "people from" list. Adding Mr. Collins to the "people from" lists is perfectly legitimate; references were in place; the sources of information are equally legitimate.
Why do you seek to block any mention of Edward Collins Jr? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuckjav (talk • contribs) 16:38, August 21, 2009 (UTC)
Because, as you've already been told numerous times and don't seem to be able to grasp, he is not notable per Wikipedia guidelines and therefore can not be included in Wikipedia. I hate to have to repeat myself as well as others who have told you this. Why can't you abide by the guidelines for inclusion and notability? - allstar▼echo 07:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can abide (but not agree with) the deletion of a Wikipedia page based upon the life of Edward Collins Jr; Wiki guidelines must be upheld. However, "people from" lists offer the opportunity to give credit, where/when it is do, for individuals that led exemplary lives outside of the media spotlight. Yes....people actually exist apart from such notoriety. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuckjav (talk • contribs) 09:19, August 22, 2009 (UTC)
Be more specific as to what you think is a copyvio in the article. What content? Copyvio of what/where? The article has reached such an age, and search engine copying, that many are just mirrors of the article itself. - allstar▼echo 18:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, I don't know which sources you copied the text from - I am aware of one source, but it is likely that you used more than one when you created the article. I was hoping you would remember. Perhaps you could look through the references and refresh your memory? If you can't find the sources, perhaps you could post it at the noticeboard for help. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
At Allstarecho's request, I've looked over the article, and while I agree there are some passages which might be considered close paraphrases from here, I didn't see a blatant copyvio. I also want to expressly note that, since I took only a cursory look, any such close paraphrases that may exist are not necessarily from ASE. Yes - I was involved a couple of months ago in past transgressions, but I am not automatically jumping to the conclusion that there is a further (or previously uncovered) problem. Having said all that, it may very well be that I have missed a copyvio. If you see a specific copyvio, let's first remove it, and second, find out how it got there and take action as necessary. Frank | talk 03:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Britton, who turns 18 next week, ranked as high as No. 16 last year in the International Tennis Federation World 18-under rankings. He had many ITF tournament wins, most notably at the International Grass Courts Championships in June. Also, last summer at the U.S. Open Junior Championships, he advanced to the finals match."
"Britton ranked as high as number 16 in the world in 2008 in the International Tennis Federation World 18-under rankings. He had many ITF tournament wins, most notably at the International Grass Courts Championships in June 2008. Also, in the summer of 2008 at the U.S. Open Junior Championships, he advanced to the finals match - making him the first ever qualifying wildcard to make a final - where he lost to Grigor Dimitrov."
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).
I did not comment "on or to Bluemarine", I commented on the difference between neutral and balanced editing versus whitewashing articles. Not once did I mention his name, post to him or any other violation of my topic ban.
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Its either a violation or an action so close to the wind that it doesn't matter either way. You know that you should leave Bluemarine alone and no commenting means not commenting in any context. If its about their article its a comment connected to them. SpartazHumbug!19:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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To clarify here.. my topic ban says: Allstarecho is banned from commenting on or to Bluemarine anywhere on Wikipedia My comment was not on or to Bluemarine but was on editing differences and was to Doc Tropics as seen below from here:
Thanks for the good contribs on this article AKM. As Matt notes above, it has been an uphill battle to bring balance and neutrality to the page. Doc Tropics 10:16 am, Today (UTC−5)
There's a difference between "balance and neutrality" and whitewashing. ;] - allstar▼echo 12:59 pm, Today (UTC−5)
Unfortunately, when you make a comment in a thread which is about the article on the person that you are barred from commenting on (and was started by that person), then it is clearly "a comment on or about Bluemarine". If another admin thinks I am wrong on this, I have no problem with this block being overturned, but IMO it is a fairly obvious violation. Black Kite19:37, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As I was commenting to another editor about the differences in editing POV, the topic ban "commenting on or to Bluemarine" is not violated in any way, shape or form here. It doesn't matter whether or not Bluemarine started the thread. I wasn't commenting on him or to him, only on editing POV differences and to another user. What if Bluemarine starts a thread on ANI about anything? Am I supposed to never post to ANI again? Seriously, this is not even close to a violation of my topic ban and is nothing more than Delicious Carbuncle continuing his harassment and wiki-stalking of me that he's been doing for months now. He saw me edit somewhere Bluemarine had edited, and ran to ANI to tattle hoping I'd be blocked. - allstar▼echo 19:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-uninvolved Comment: Since my name was invoked I'm going to interject. Wiki-lawyering aside, the comment is indeed a fairly blatant violation of your ban. Wouldn't it make sense to take all these related pages off your watchlist and move on? Surely you understand this begins to appear obsessive on your part? Everyone acknowledges that you make useful contributions in areas where you're not emotionally entangled.... Doc Tropics19:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
AKMask's user talk page is related to Bluemarine how and I should unwatch a user's talk page that isn't Bluemarine for what reason? - allstar▼echo 19:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I did not comment "on or to Bluemarine", I commented on the difference between neutral and balanced editing versus whitewashing articles. Not once did I mention his name, post to him or any other violation of my topic ban.
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Again, this block is total bullshit. I did not "comment on or to Bluemarine" but commented on POV editing differences and to an entirely different user. This block should be removed immediately. - allstar▼echo 19:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't understand how making a comment about "whitewashing" in reply to a user's direct comment about Bluemarine's article (and replying to Bluemarine himself) is related to your restriction, then I hold little hope that it won't happen again. Please disengage completely from this user. Black Kite20:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, this is the utmost total and undeniable bullshit I have ever seen on Wikipedia. I didn't comment on or to Bluemarine nor did I even comment on the article about him. I commented on POV editing differences and that was to an entirely different user. Total bullshit this block and the 2 unblock request denials. See you all in 24 hours. - allstar▼echo 20:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Glad someone else can see the absurdity in it. After more thought on the matter, it's even more absurd as my topic ban prevents me from commenting on or to Bluemarine, the user. It says nothing about commenting on or to the article about him or article content about him as a public figure - unlike his own topic ban from the article about him. His topic ban specifically says to stay away from the article pages about him. Mine doesn't. Yet, I'm blocked for NOT commenting on or to him, but he's not blocked while he's been all over the article's talk page in which he's topic banned from. So even if I had commented on the article itself, there would still be no violation of my topic ban. But the stiffs around here would just call that wiki-lawyering instead of seeing it's factual accuracy. - allstar▼echo 16:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
User:Georgewilliamherbert said at the ANI thread, Even assuming good faith that you noticed a violation which needed attention, I believe that you taking this to ANI as opposed to asking an uninvolved administrator in private was a knowing and reckless violation of your topic ban. Apparently Georgewilliamherbert missed at the very same ANI thread where I said Could be because of my discussing it with User:Keegan yesterday? As much more time had passed, I figured it was dead, so I brought it here. Keegan is an uninvolved administrator and I did ask him privately - yesterday. So much for that. - allstar▼echo 23:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In reply to Durova at the ANI thread, no thanks. As I already said in the ANI thread, I did report it to a non-involved admin via off-wiki means. A day later, nothing had been done. So I reported it to ANI. Heh. But I'm blocked anyway, which I was prepared for so no big deal there. - allstar▼echo 00:11, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Durova said at the ANI thread, Past experience has demonstrated that Allstarecho's assertions with regard to Bluemarine and potential violations of editing restrictions should be read with a skeptical eye. For example, Allstarecho misidentified a sock of Eleemosynary as Bluemarine in an SPI filing. Of course she conveniently leaves out the fact that another user tagged the IP as a sock of Bluemarine. All I did was file the SPI case to make sure.. to prove it's him, or clear him of socking. But of course, as I said, Durova leaves out this fact, knowing full well while I'm blocked, I can't prove her wrong in the ANI thread. - allstar▼echo 05:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Amazing how I reported BLUEMARINE off-wiki, to a non-involved admin. A day later when nothing is done, I report his violation of his own topic ban at ANI. And fuck that, they don't want to deal with that.. they just want to restrict me even more. Wikipedia has gone to shit in a hand, foot, arm, leg and any other body part basket. - allstar▼echo 03:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm beginning to think the same thing. Once the admin cabal hates you, and the peanut gallery starts smelling the blood from the feeding frenzy, you're pretty much done for on Wikipedia. But I won't go down like warm apple pie, I'll give them the worst case of heart burn they've ever experienced. When you treat people like a vandal, a thug, a common criminal, eventually they really start acting like one. - allstar▼echo 16:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How to avoid drama 101
Wouldn't it have been much more simpler and we all got on with our lives if people had said "OK, we recognize you reported this privately to an admin. Nothing was done in a day. Now you've reported it here at ANI. No, we don't think that's a violation of Bluemarine's topic ban, thanks for reporting it. Now move along"? But naw, that wouldn't be the way things are done on Wikipedia. Instead, we have a lynch mob circus who instead of dealing with the message, want to shoot the messenger. I just don't understand how this is not so obvious. The whole ANI discussion has become so convoluted with lies and mis-information and hatred against me, that the few sentences presenting the facts have been lost in the muck. - allstar▼echo 03:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am trying to defend ya. Viridae is threatening to put a topic ban on for something, not sure what. They are coming after anyone. All damned Bluemarine defenders, if you ask me. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 03:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
From what I can gather, they want to add Durova to my topic ban - that I can't mention or comment on her. Which is ridiculous since really her and I have never had a fight before. We may have disagreed about things, and she has serially presented false information in these discussions, and has accused me of doing the same thing even though when I'm not blocked, I'm able to prove her wrong with diffs - but we've never had any bad "bouts" - which only further proves what a joke that thread has become. - allstar▼echo 03:52, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And from that article, "The problem is that Wikipedia's community has defined itself not in terms of the encyclopedia it is supposedly producing, but instead of the people it venerates and the people it abhors."So true as I have learned. - allstar▼echo 06:11, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Roux
Roux said at the ANI thread, ASE was restricted, he knew he could contact any admin privately, instead he decided to ignore the restriction (as he had previously announced he would) and play the martyr (as usual). Well, once again another person who is talking about something they obviously have no clue on. I'll say it once again, because apparently the time I said it in the ANI thread and the several times I've said it here haven't been said enough... I did contact an admin privately. A day later, when I saw no action had been taken, I reported to ANI. Follow the history Roux, or butt out. - allstar▼echo 16:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Allstarecho shall not directly or indirectly, interact with, or comment about Bluemarine, Durova or Matt Sanchez, at any time, anywhere on Wikipedia. If Allstarecho violates this sanction, he will be banned from Wikipedia for 2 weeks for the first incident, 1 month for the second incident, and 1 year for the third incident.".
