Okay, has anyone got any secondary sources for the use of the lion as the biblical emblem of the tribe and later the Kingdom of Judah, as well as the symbol of the capital city of Jerusalem, and its emblazoning on both the flag and coat of arms of the city. I could use primary but secondary sources would be a great help. Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Okay, has anyone got any secondary sources for the use of the lion as the biblical emblem of the tribe and later the Kingdom of Judah, as well as the symbol of the capital city of Jerusalem, and its emblazoning on both the flag and coat of arms of the city. I could use primary but secondary sources would be a great help. Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 03:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
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:I get lots of stuff using [http://www.google.com/search?q=lions+symbolize+yehuda&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&tbs=bks%3A1&q=lions+symbolize+judah&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=f35a5509cadf3987 Google Books search].--''[[User:Brewcrewer|<span style="font family:Arial;color:green">brew</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Brewcrewer|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#2E82F4">crewer</span>]] [[User talk:Brewcrewer|(yada, yada)]]'' 01:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
The [[Lion#Cultural depictions]] section could also benefit from this research, especially since the article is apparently undergoing Featured Article review. So could the article [[Cultural depictions of lions]]. Off topic, I think it is unfortunate that the Biblical tribes chose, as a symbol, an animal that kills its fellow's cubs when it takes over a pride, strong-arms other predators' hard-earned food from them, and systematically tries to kill other animals like the [[cheetah]]. See [[Lion#Reproduction and life cycle]] and [[Lion#Interspecific predatory relationships]]. The [[spotted hyena]], which is as intelligent as a dolphin and hunts its prey by sheer persistence, is so much more awesome than the lion. So is the [[jackal]], a graceful and endearingly monogamous creature. Sadly, [[Columbia University|my university]] has also chosen the lion as a symbol.
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Wishing everyone a happy New Year and a blessed Day of Atonement. Eating the [[apple|fruit of knowledge]] dipped in honey was delicious! Without [[sin]], there can be no atonement. :)
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This RfC, concerning whether Helen Thomas's comments as to where Jews should go, and whether it should be reflected in the lede of her article, may be of interest to some at this project.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:30, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The montage File:12 Famous Persian Jews .png had a copyright violation among the images. As it was in use at fa and he wikipedias, I opted for removing the problematic image from the montage, leaving an empty space (this way, it isn't a copyright violation, and the articles are not left without an image). It is also useful for Persian Jews here, whose main image had been deleted and not replaced. However, the point is that the montage now lacks an image, and shouldn't stay that way. If someone here knows about some important persian jew with an available free image to complete the montage, the help would be appreciated MBelgrano (talk) 00:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is a new article about the very first reform Temple ever. Hamburg Temple. The german article is good, but my english is so bad. :( please help a bit. Thanks!!! :) --Pacogo7 23:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Conradi (talk • contribs)
Hasidic dynasty article names
There are a lot of articles like "Amshinov (Hasidic dynasty)" where "(Hasidic dynasty)" is part of the title even though it isn't needed for disambiguation purposes. I can't see a good reason to do this but I have a feeling if I start moving these articles en masse it will lead to conflict--so any opinions?Prezbo (talk) 02:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Renaming Breslov (Hasidic dynasty) will get my vote (it isn't, and never was, a dynasty). As for the others, I don't know when the blanket decision was taken to name all of them xxx (Hasidic dynasty), but it was a long time ago (before my time!). If they are to be renamed,
it would have to be on a one-by-one basis, because some of them do raise disambiguation issues.
Also, each such change must be matched with the corresponding change in {{Hasidic dynasties}} which is transcluded to each of the pages.
In addition, articles which transclude {{Infobox rebbe}} must be checked to ensure that the links have not been broken.
In any event, before moving articles en masse, interested parties (such as the creators of the articles) should be notified.--Redaktor (talk) 12:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There are many articles that come into the general category of Judaism that quote statements of rabbinic authorities, or reports of things they have done that have made the news, and so on, but there is no article on that personage accompanying them. My question is: What makes a rabbi notable? If his doing something that made it to many news reports or that was widely discussed in secondary sources makes him notable, then not only should he be quoted in the relevant article, but he should qualify for a biographical article. Conversely, if he does not qualify for a biographical article, then why should his opinion or actions be considered notable enough to be quoted in another article? For example, here Rabbi Avraham Shammah is quoted in reference to his ruling on kol isha, but there are almost no ghits for him. If this issue has been resolved somewhere, please direct me to that discussion. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 13:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Notability to deserve a stand-alone article and reliability to be used as a reference for an article about something else are completely different things. Notable people may not be reliable, and reliable books may not be notable (if "it's a book about the history of Israel" is everything that might be said about a certain book, it wouldn't deserve an article, which wouldn't mean that it can't be used as a reference by either us or other later books) MBelgrano (talk) 16:52, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So do you mean that even if the above rabbi (or one of similar lack of fame) is not notable and an article on him would be speedily demolished by afd, his opinion may still be mentioned as notable in another article? Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 21:12, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I noticed an article which needs your attention - Judaism and violence. I think this article is one sided trying to portray Judaism as a violent religion, which is clearly not the prevailing scholarly view. Balancing information should be added regarding Judaism's key principles of love of peace and the pursuit of peace. Extremists using Judaism to justify violence are only a tiny minority, and are far from the widespread interpretation of Judaism. I began adding some such material, but your help would be greatly appreciated. Marokwitz (talk) 09:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is no subject "Judaism and violence" in sources. This is one more example of an artificially created area for investigation. It cobbles together sources covering smaller areas relating to a supposedly existing larger topic. But that larger topic has a phantom existence in already existing sources. Wikipedia is breaking new ground by establishing "Judaism and violence" as a topic. This is contrary to Wikipedia's purpose. That is an article that needs deletion. Nowhere in sources can be found the topic "Judaism and violence." This article is no different than the Criticism of Judaism article in this regard. No editor has any idea what the parameters are of such articles. Such articles are a receptacle for anything an editor deems related to a novel topic that they have created. Wikipedia guidelines say: If no reliable third-party sources can be found on an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article about it. Bus stop (talk) 14:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm getting this message: "Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you."Bus stop (talk) 01:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's a PROD, added by an anonymous editor. If you contest the PROD, just remove the notice. I think the article claims notability, and I have certainly seen this chap appear in the national media. JFW | T@lk05:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This article seems mainly original research. I've reverted some added by an IP today, but I'd rather someone who might have heard of this weed out the rest. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 20:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, has anyone got any secondary sources for the use of the lion as the biblical emblem of the tribe and later the Kingdom of Judah, as well as the symbol of the capital city of Jerusalem, and its emblazoning on both the flag and coat of arms of the city. I could use primary but secondary sources would be a great help. Cheers, Casliber (talk·contribs) 03:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Lion#Cultural depictions section could also benefit from this research, especially since the article is apparently undergoing Featured Article review. So could the article Cultural depictions of lions. Off topic, I think it is unfortunate that the Biblical tribes chose, as a symbol, an animal that kills its fellow's cubs when it takes over a pride, strong-arms other predators' hard-earned food from them, and systematically tries to kill other animals like the cheetah. See Lion#Reproduction and life cycle and Lion#Interspecific predatory relationships. The spotted hyena, which is as intelligent as a dolphin and hunts its prey by sheer persistence, is so much more awesome than the lion. So is the jackal, a graceful and endearingly monogamous creature. Sadly, my university has also chosen the lion as a symbol.
Wishing everyone a happy New Year and a blessed Day of Atonement. Eating the fruit of knowledge dipped in honey was delicious! Without sin, there can be no atonement. :)
