User talk:RashersTierney

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cie

why did you delete my edit? are you employee of cie? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikelimerick (talk • contribs) 23:10, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

The reason why I deleted your edit has been well explained to you by another editor. I am not an employee of CIÉ, but do sometimes travel on their buses (as infrequently as possible). I sympathise with your bad experience, but Wikipedia is not the place to vent your frustration at bad service. Contact them directly. If they do not receive complaints, they have no reason to change their ways. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 23:19, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

C. A. Rosetti

The family name is clearly Italian and we cannot forget that Greek territories have been for centuries part of the Venetian Commonwealth. Secondly I have found a source in the Italian Wikipedia. Thanks.--Deguef (talk) 11:40, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't disagree that your edit is plausible, just that it has not been referenced in the main text, and probably does not belong in the lead of this article in any case. Perhaps at a new article, Rosetti (name), if you are inclined? RashersTierney (talk) 11:56, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Gormanston, County Meath

Although I accept that I could not easily find a reference for my change to the Irish of Gormanston (which is Rinn Mhic Ghormáin & was mistakenly changed on the signs several years ago to Baile Mhic Ghormáin), Gormanston is not "Gormanstown." That is an inaccurate pronunciation of Gormanston, most likely being caused by the inaccurate Irish translation or just a general mispronunciation. There is no evidence of "Gormanstown" being an alternative name for Gormanston. The citation given on the page does not state anywhere that Gormanston is known as "Gormanstown." Furthermore the anglicised reference "Ballygorman" makes no sense. It most likely originated from the inaccurate translation of Gormanston to "Baile Mhic Ghormáin." "Baile Mhic Ghormáin" literally refers to the town of Gorman, i.e. Gormanstown. However, Gormanston, the correct name, originates in the Viscount Gormanston, the premier Viscount of Ireland. Thus, Gormanston is definitely not Gormanstown. It is merely a common error. As a native of Gormanston I find it appalling that I not being allowed to correct something I know to be wrong. I believe a reasonable citation to offer for the "Rinn Mhic Ghormáin" version is http://www.defence.ie/website.nsf/document+id/AB9B1A90EA0945818025711F00409BB9. Although this is site offers two translations of the same place, it is an official government document, unlike the logainm.ie site, which is certainly inaccurate. Another citation, which predates this by approx. 50 years gives Rinn Mhic Ghormáin as the translation, here: http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0214/D.0214.196503020067.html I am also an accomplished Irish student & am quite annoyed that I am being told that my own home is being called something else. I accept that there are few accurate citations on the internet available: I am working on getting written citations from the Archives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dairemccg (talk • contribs) 17:21, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I honestly can't comment on the specifics but I know how these translations are produced (on the fly, that is, with minimal proofreading) so I just urge caution to over-rating a document just because it's by "a government source" over an academic source. Not that those can't be wrong either but they tend to be more concerned with accuracy rather than tight deadlines and cutting corners in translation. Akerbeltz (talk) 18:50, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your comprehensive statement. I've moved the above to Talk:Gormanston, County Meath as it has been raised there already. My only concern is with Wikipedia:Verifiability, which is a matter of policy. There is no requirement that a source needs to be linkable to an online source. A hard-copy local newspaper or perhaps a local history would probably be sufficient. If a historic error has occurred in relation to the name, this is an interesting point in itself that must have been commented on, and should be at least mentioned in the article. RashersTierney (talk) 19:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

John Maxwell

Hello, RashersTierney. Sorry to get back to you so late. I watched the documentary that you directed me to and Dr. Michael Foy did flatly say that Maxwell was a Scottish Presbyterian. I'm not sure if it's safe to just dismiss it at as a fallacy, although the book that you sourced did claim that he was born in Liverpool. If you want, we could do something like this:

Maxwell was born on 11 July, 1859 in Liverpool and attended school at Cheltenham. He went on to study at the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst. Accoeding to Dr. Michael Foy, he was a Scottish Presbyterian.

If not, we could just leave the article the way it is and if the IP user really wants to say that he was a Scottish Presbyterian, we could leave it up to him or her to cite the documentary themself. Cheers. --John of Lancaster (talk) 16:58, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back. Perhaps just leave it for the moment. Linking to YouTube probably not the best idea (it could of course be ref'd directly to the original), but I'm intrigued now and will look around for corroborating alternative sources. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 19:01, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Done. RashersTierney (talk) 18:45, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Primary topic

"Primary topic" means that if you type a particular term, e.g. "Ireland", you go to the article on that topic. See WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Kauffner (talk) 22:56, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

There has been so much discussion on this 'topic', but its been a while. Was sure it went to a dab page. You are of course correct. Doubt very much there will be much appetite for re-visiting the issue though. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 23:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Simply put, we don't

Per WP:FRINGE. Those "historians" are a proven Securitate informant who trained in engineering (Stoenescu), a member of the Greater Romania Party and tiresome Antonescu apologist (Buzatu), the main sponsor of Romanian neofascism (Drăgan) etc. Their opinions are dismissed as revisionist rhetoric, even in the Romanian context. A good, but not exhaustive, guide to their historiographic standing is the Wiesel report - most are mentioned therein by name, as authors of revisionist propaganda. The editor has some superficial command of wikipedia formats, but this is faux and insidious "referencing" supporting non-encyclopedic material - on par with what he did to Song of Roland. I would not be surprised if he were a sockpuppet of some known negationist, perhaps Dacodava. Dahn (talk) 13:19, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for very prompt reply. I'm also finding it difficult to assume good faith wrt this poster. So what now? Do we remove the edit with an explanation at the TP? RashersTierney (talk) 13:24, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I rved it. If he continues, I'll also ask for the opinion of other users, and then I'll alert the WP:FRINGE noticeboard. Or just present his case to the people who handled Dacodava's socks, maybe they can shorten the path. You're right not to assume good faith: when a user has readily piled up all of the most questionable sources on this serious an event, it's not an issue of honest research, it's propaganda. Revertible on sight. Dahn (talk) 13:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

With his new edits, I'm about 98% sure it is the banned User:Dacodava. Note his other obsessions: relegating the Hungarian names of Transylvanian cities, the selective bombing of Dacian history articles, the strange familiarity with some norms and formats despite being unable to fill his userpage, and perhaps most tellingly an obsession with Şchei (viz. User:Blurall, the other recent sock). And did I forget the demented fantasies? Dahn (talk) 07:45, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

If it is not asking too much, could you please open a new case here? I don't have a full grasp of the process, and I'm about to take a wikibreak of sorts. Dahn (talk) 07:51, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

It may take me a bit of time to get familiar with these 'characters', but I'll certainly take a look. A cursory review certainly points in that direction. RashersTierney (talk) 10:35, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Done. Blocked and tagged. Thanks for your input at the SPI. See you around Dahn. RashersTierney (talk) 21:22, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

No, thank you! And thank you for the mailed heads-up, will look into it. (I'll have more time to do so after Orthodox Easter - not because of observance, but because of routine...) Dahn (talk) 08:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Eoin O'Duffy

Hiya Rashers, the ODNB verbatims are:

In September 1922, following a mutiny among the recently established Garda Síochána (police), O'Duffy was appointed garda commissioner.

His insistence that the gardaí reflect a nationalist and Catholic ethos through involvement in such activities as Gaelic sports and religious pilgrimages ensured that the new force was not seen as another Royal Irish Constabulary

Tom Pippens (talk) 10:40, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Not questioning the validity of the ref, but reflist doesn't recognise the name. Check out ref #5 on the page concerned. If it's a question of needing advice with referencing more than at the link above, just ask. I'll help if I can. RashersTierney (talk) 10:49, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

...oops sorry about that..fixed it now. Tom Pippens (talk) 10:53, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Black Irish

Sorry, the tags had been there for almost two years; I generally just remove old tags on sight. If someone cares enough to put them back, I've no problem with that. (And, upon further consideration, I can see why their could a be long standing dispute over an ethnic category like Black Irish.) But, certain editors just go around sticking tags on things instead of rolling up their sleeves and fixing problems. As a result, the amount of tagcruft floating around the project is downright unseemly. And editors just end up taking maintenance tags less seriously as they become more and more ubiquitous. BTW, I'm surprised there's a template against the idea of trying to trim back all the tagcruft, which one did you 'plate me with anyhow? -- 146.115.191.133 (talk) 01:04, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

This is the template Template:Uw-tdel1. You evidently are not a new user, so you really should know better yourself than to drive-by edit. FYI, Black Irish is not about an 'ethnic category', as even a cursory review will show. RashersTierney (talk) 09:36, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. FWIW, I doubt my removals of well-aged tagcruft get reverted even once out of ten, though I don't really keep track; I get actual talk page complaints once in a hundred (you make #3, but 1st since my IP last regenerated). Considering the project is full of script-kiddies and bots doing drive-bys on a regular and nearly automated basis -- with at least my batting average -- I plead the status quo. As to the "ethnic" matter, not to put to fine a point on it, but as an American, I'm used to thinking of skin color attaching a sense of ethnicity, so I don't see why that same sense wouldn't attach to hair color per se. (I've perhaps been a tad fooled in the back of my mind by a line from The Commitments: "I'm black and I'm proud", which is probably neither here nor there.) However, I'm happy to agree with the article that phenotype is the better word; it's just not a word in my immediate vocabulary. -- 146.115.191.133 (talk) 05:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Woody ty

This fellow is clearly a troll. At this point, I think he should be reverted on sight and ignored. ---RepublicanJacobite_TheFortyFive 03:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Just watching how things develop. Hopefully the message gets through without escalation. RashersTierney (talk) 10:47, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I hope you're right. ---RepublicanJacobite_TheFortyFive 13:28, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Concerning user "Night of the Big Wind" & County Clare

Good evening. I am having difficulties with the user indicated in the subject line above. He is likely familiar to you. He continues to delete cultural information from another site, and he offers only very broad generalized statements for why these details are irrelavant or promotional. The information is exactly parallel to the information that was included under County Clare's cultural information, and he just happens to be a resident of said county. He points out that Wikipedia is not a tourism site, but that does not mean that an encyclopedia does not include relevant details on a community's culture. I will continue to revise this page as he revises the page of my home city. Please be patient. I am sure that he will discontinue his big stick approach soon.

Peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.22.136 (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

LOL, mr. IP, you have copied whole pages of http://cityofatmore.com/. Night of the Big Wind _talk 23:31, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for catching the vandalism on County Clare. It is a bit of revenge from teh IP, because I am doing nasty on Atmore, Alabama. He has more or less copied the city website there. I have reduced that, before I noticed that he was copying it. And now he is angry. But by now I leave the article, before I get hammered for editwarring... Night of the Big Wind _talk 23:28, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

@IP - Refactoring another editor's User Page is a bit of no-no around here. Please don't edit to make a point. On the question of the substantive edits in dispute, that really should be discussed by interested editors at the relevant Talk Page. RashersTierney (talk) 23:36, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

whats your problem

why cant you just let me make my cbar city page get a life!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Castlebarguy (talk • contribs) 12:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Mail

Thanks for the mail and the suggestion in it. I considered my work on Wikipedia not important and scientific enough to pursue "that". I am happy and flattered that you have another opinion. So, I will pursue it. Thanks for your confidence. Night of the Big Wind _talk 13:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

All positive contributions to the project are 'important', and I suppose by extension so are those who make them :- ) Hope it works out, and enjoy it while it lasts. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 15:00, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

User:24.11.88.78

Regarding [1] and [2], can you please try to assume good faith? As far as I can tell, the text in question is well-sourced and is a worthwhile addition to the article, identifying the first use of the term "Scotch-Irish", so I can only assume you've objected on the grounds of the IP's use of "British Isles" – the poor unsuspecting soul not knowing that outside of the real world, in this odd little bubble we all live in here, any use of a purely-geographical term ("POV" my arse) for these islands of ours is a completely no-no, resulting in his being instantly shot down by the massed hysterical, screeching bigots so reviled by the word "British" that they've almost succeeded in abolishing, Wiki-wide, their only widely- and internationally-recognised name?
In a nutshell, what I'm saying is: perhaps cut a little slack in future? Ta. — JonC^ॐ 12:03, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Hysterical screeching bigots? AGF? Perhaps try it yourself! And if you can't engage here without resorting to crude language, don't bother in future. RashersTierney (talk) 11:33, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

The Key

It's not original research, these are published articles on the website I've referenced, based on the historical records and books published both by the men themselves and others. We know that Hardy was a friend of King's and that he would certainly know Duff, King was an intelligence officer and Duff defined himself as a 'soldier for hire' in his autobiography. It's not a stretch to think that the characters were based on himself and them just as Hardy based the story on his own service. However I'll add 'may have been influenced' for the sake of impartiality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goolcap (talk • contribs) 09:12, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Irish Poor Laws

Hi, several years ago we worked on Irish Poor Laws together before it got attacked for copyright. Do you have access to the material as it seems a shame for all that work to go to waste. 21:41, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Am away from all my sources at the moment, and only momentarily popping by with a provisional reply. I have several books on the topic and will contact you to discuss further when I return from holidays next week. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 11:09, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Stories Project

Hi!

My name is Victor and I'm a storyteller with the Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit organization that supports Wikipedia. I'm chronicling the inspiring stories of the Wikipedia community around the world, including those from readers, editors, and donors. Stories are absolutely essential for any non-profit to persuade people to support the cause, and we know the vast network of people who make and use Wikipedia have so much to share.

I'm curious about the work you have done with WikiProject Ireland.

I'd very much like the opportunity to interview you to tell your story, with the possibility of using it in our materials, on our community websites, or as part of this year’s fundraiser to encourage others to support Wikipedia. Please let me know if you're inclined to take part in the Wikipedia Stories Project.

Thank you for your time,

Victor Grigas

user:Victorgrigas

vgrigas@wikimedia.org

Victor Grigas (talk) 21:29, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Re; original research

Oh the message is through but can you qualify it for me? What EXACTLY is original research? If I want to reference a magazine article or quote from a book or magazine is it enough to provide the link to the magazine homepage or Amazon page or does it require more? Also how can I upload pictures to the articles? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goolcap (talk • contribs) 16:43, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Tutorial/Citing sources. RashersTierney (talk) 15:46, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

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CfD nomination of Category:Politics of the British Isles

Category:Politics of the British Isles has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. --RA (talk) 09:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

who do you think you are?

Are you the owner of wikipedia?

Grow up! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.6.20 (talk) 15:27, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Irish Travellers more than just one group?

Looking at the Irish Traveller page I realized that there is no inclusion of Irish Showmen. On the Scottish Traveller page there is a breakdown of the various groups who partially live or historically live within Scotland, including newer arrivals like Irish Pavee and continental Roma. The Irish Traveller page just seems to focus on the wider Pavee community and says very little about the Irish Showmen (Occupational Travellers). Irish Showmen identify with the Traveller label but are not Irish Pavee or speak Sheilta/Gammon. For balance would a short paragraph on the Traveller page (including non Pavee groups in Ireland like the Irish Showmen and Roma) be appropriate as with the Scottish Travellers page? It would cause less confusion to what different groups call themselves within the wider Travelling peoples of Ireland. If you reply could you do so on the Irish Traveller page?Uthican (talk) 05:20, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Replied there, as requested. RashersTierney (talk) 08:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Nazi Eugenics edit

Please see: [From Darwin to Hitler]

I was not the only one who questioned this inclusion of this book. I have begun a new discussion on the talk page seeing as how this is from 2009. Ultra Venia (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for (re)opening the discussion. I'll give it some thought and reply there. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 14:52, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Politics in the British Isles

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Politics in the British Isles. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. KarlB (talk) 21:36, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

AlriRashers?

Fair enough it wasn't that funny but ya still gotta take down that stuff about the name coming from a port, in this case it would be spelled Longphort when its spelled Longford. A longford is a camp or fortification. It was Longfort Uí Fearaill its named for. Dublin is a viking settlement. Longford is pretty damn far from it one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.255.246.93 (talk) 23:30, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Still no excuse for pointy edits. RashersTierney (talk) 03:44, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Fooish-born Flooian

There have been many discussions on the matter at WT:FOOTY. My understanding is that, in the case of Leon Best as the example at hand, it is not possible to simply and incontrovertibly describe him as someone who is Irish, but happened to have been born in England. He has two parents, only one of whom is apparently Irish: place of birth also determines, in legal terms, eligibility for citizenship and therefore nationality. Thus his nationality is a complex issue: if his father is/was English, than he is more than simply Irish but born in England; if he was not, then his nationality is even more complex. Personally, I would be happy to apply English-born Irish to those (like myself) who have both parents Irish, and have explicitly and consistently self-identified as Irish, such that place of birth is seen as "in voluntary exile": that distinction has never really gained consensus. Kevin McE (talk) 10:41, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I agree the issue is not simple. The intention of my edit was not to emphasise nationality as such, but to reference his notability as a player in the Irish squad. (I see where the confusion might have arisen). Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons isn't very satisfactory. This proposal appears to be the best available guide that I have found, which is arguably closer to your interpretation than mine. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 12:14, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect picture

Dear Rashers, I write to you as a complete and utterly baffled Newcomer who came across your avatar in a list of the Irish editors, and liked it. (I had Plunkett reading from Strumpet City on the steps of City Hall Dublin in Easter Week 1991, and long ago, produced "The Risen People" with John Molloy playing Rashers.) So not quite a random hit, but a shot in the dark nevertheless.

I only wanted to remove a rather obvious error from an Irish Wiki page, so registered, and then got lost in an overwhelming maze of complex instructions. Perhaps you could do it for me, and with ease?

The offending item is a pic of Sean T O Ceallaigh gracing the page of JJ (Sceilg) O'Kelly. (I'm sure neither would be pleased!) Here's the URL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._O'Kelly

Perhaps you can let me know if you got this by emailing me: jlst@eircom.net (that's JLST), my avatar here at Wiki is Amergin23. my thanks, John Stephenson.

PS: while I was at it, I attempted the following amendment to Para 3 of the page (Irish history and politics are a lifelong interest), but this somehow failed to go through (boy, do I need guidance!!):

In June 1922, he was elected to the Third Dáil for the constituency of Louth/Meath but abstained from taking his seat. In August 1923, standing as a Republican for the Meath constituency, he was defeated for an abstentionist seat in the 4th Dáil. He was again defeated in the Roscommon by-election of 1925, his last election attempt. After the resignation of Éamon de Valera as president of Sinn Féin in 1926, O'Kelly, who maintained an abstentionist policy towards Dáil Éireann,

My source: http://www.electionsireland.org/candidate.cfm?id=1045

Again thanks, John Amergin23 (talk) 15:56, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the trouble to do something about the image misidentification and for the kind words. You are quite correct and I have removed it. I also asked the file uploader to add one of Séan S., which is available from this source (second highlighted from the left). I'll have a go myself if I don't hear back fairly soon. I also added the ref to your edit, which seems to have gone through fine. Hope to see more input from you on the project and if I can be of any help, don't hesitate. Regards. RashersTierney (talk) 20:18, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Many thanks for your helpful 'Welcome' response and guide page, Rashers. I'm on holiday, with limited web access, but will get stuck into Wikip in due course. My thanks also for your rapid correction of the 'Sceilg' page, and your kindness in inserting my amendment. (i wonder if the citation ref should be 12 not 4?) I look forward to working with you all, and may well ask you to "adopt" me, if yr open to that. I'll also be joining the Ireland Wiki Project. All in good time.... best wishes, John Stephenson - Amergin 23 (I first tried posting this on your User Talk page, but it wasn't clear to me if it went through.) 90.4.21.77 (talk) 10:14, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Don't forget to log in when editing. Doing so helps create your editing history and makes it easier to stay in touch while keeping correspondence together. Enjoy the hols. I haven't ever looked into 'formal adoption', but if there is ever an issue you need help with you need only ask. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 10:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

What is your exact source for Hardy being implicated in the three killings?

In regard to The Key I know that you've referenced a book in regard to this but unfortunately my library card is tapped out at the moment (researching Arthur Percival). I've been going through all my other sources and I can find nothing to link Hardy to the killing of Mckee, Clancy and Clune other than he prevented Clancy's first escape attempt, he certainly wasn't one of the Auxillaries who shot them and I can find nothing to suggest he was even interviewed about it. Apparently Hardy completed 2 books about his service in Ireland but I can't find them anywhere, do you know their names? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goolcap (talk • contribs) 10:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I added this reference. There is also this. These are some books written by Hardy. The third at least makes some mention of the Black and Tans. RashersTierney (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Cool thanks. However according to Michael Foy's 'The Intelligence War' this was not the case, he quotes Clune's boss Edward MacLysaght who collected Clune's body and also inspected the others who said their faces were unharmed, repeating his evidence to the inquiry. The idea of them being beaten and executed seems to have been an invention of Erskine Childers who had no way of knowing what really happened. Winter and Anderson conducted their own investigation and were happy with the verdict and Foy makes a good case that they may well have tried to escape. The only people who know the truth were the Auxillaries who killed them and they took it with to them to the grave — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goolcap (talk • contribs) 09:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Just for your information, and since Foy uses it as a source, MacLysaght's original typed manuscript (NLI Ms 4750) originally read -

• I remember those dead pale faces as if I had looked at them yesterday, They were not seriously disfigured. (my emphasis).

The word 'seriously' was later crossed out by hand and did not appear in his book. MacLysaght is also emphatic that the 'escape' was a fabrication and that the three were murdered. For a first hand account of a prisoner's treatment at the hands of 'Hoppy' Hardy in the guardroom about this time, see On another Man's Wound pp 273-280. RashersTierney (talk) 19:52, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I can't actually read MacLysaght's manuscript online (are you supposed to be able to? where do I click?) so I'll take your word for it. What proof does he offer for his assertion about the killings, surely he wasn't present? And who crossed out 'seriously' or is that too lost in the mists of time, conspiracy theory and Irish historical academia? (presuming it wasn't MacLysaght himself correcting the text?) As for Ernie O'Malley, hardly an independent or unbiased source, he's prepared to kill for his 'cause' so he'd be prepared to lie? And as he only refers to HIS treatment rather than the incident in question is it relevant? Both Winter and Anderson conducted their own investigations, examining the scene and interviewing the witnesses and were happy with the official account. I'm not saying they couldn't have been arbitarily executed in revenge, it is a real possibility but it's far from conclusive either way. In any case Hardy's involvement seems to be peripheral to say the least. I'll suggest a compromise, 'Hardy was involved in the capture of leading IRA members Clancy and McKee and a civilian called Clune who were later killed in controversial circumstances in Dublin Castle Guardroom'? I've also discovered that the redoubtable Captain King romanced an Irish girl Helen Sophie Gilbert (she is given as born in Dublin) and married her in Rathdown in Oct/Dec 1920 so unless you object I'll include that in the article as it further strengthens the resemblence between King and the character Hardy features in The Key.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Goolcap (talk • contribs) 15:11, 18 June 2012

The revision was made by MacLysaght, though when and why is anyone's guess. It isn't available online, unfortunately. I think reliable sources vouch for the fact that Hardy was involved in the interrogation of the prisoners at the Castle. As for your 'interpretation' of the novel, that is firmly in the realm of original research. RashersTierney (talk) 17:30, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Why not revise the citation instead of deleting?

A wiki is basically a synthesis of information. Please review my citation, which is a State of Hawaii official document available to anyone online: http://www.courts.state.hi.us/docs/opin_ord/ica/2010/apr/ica28392sdoada.pdf Then instead of deleting every attempt I make to report real citable material, please attempt one contribution yourself. The important facts of the document are 1999-2010 court proceedings between Lee & Young Vs. Brosnan & Smith. Lee & Young asked for their riparian rights to be returned to the original state before Brosnan & Smith created an artificial lake upstream from them. Lee & Young lost. This case is an important precedent for all riparian rights cases in Hawaii, and if Brosnan was an environmentalist he might have considered the precedent he set, instead of only thinking about the artificial lake he needed. I'm not biased either way, please feel free to report the facts any way you see fit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quash-asia (talk • contribs) 03:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

If the issue is as important as you claim "for all riparian rights cases in Hawaii", you should have no difficulty finding reliable secondary sources to back that statement up. Otherwise personal interpretations of primary documents amounts to original research, as has been pointed out to you. 'A wiki may be a synthesis of material', but original research is contrary to policy on Wikipedia. RashersTierney (talk) 08:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)