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Editor Review and RfA

AutomaticStrikeout created the idea of an editor review with the specific goal of an RfA in mind. While I think it is a decent proposal, similar to things I've thought of myself, I could swear that there have been oppose !votes specifically because the RfA was too soon after an editor review. I can't really find any, and before I comment at the discussion I'd like to know what your experience with that is. Do you think it happens often enough (or has it ever happened?) and do you think this idea might have a negative effect on someone's actual performance. Granted, a lot of people will oppose for a lot of different reasons and candidates shouldn't be out there trying to please everybody, but I just thought I'd try to get your opinion. Ryan Vesey 21:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker)Look at all the opposing votes for Σ due to the spelling of his name. Yet Berean Hunter passes unanimously 160-0 with a block on his log. I had a pre-Rfa on my talk page 3 days before my RFA, one person made a mild comment about it. What they did jump on was based on incorrect data, CSD. You just never know what will set people off on any given day. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 21:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't recall any votes because someone has done an RfA too soon after an editor review, but you never know. Pre-RFA might well be the future, I'm currently thinking about methods for it. Worm^TT(talk) 14:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

There's always User:Ryan Vesey/Pre-RFA Proposal. Looking at it a year or so later, I think that method is far too complex, I think the best solution will be simple. Ryan Vesey 14:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that's the way to go though. I think something more akin to resurrecting Wikipedia:Admin coaching, where editors don't have to go, but gives them some areas to work on and more feedback. It can be referenced from the RfA and should give the voters an insight into the candidate. The difficulty will be to not make it look like an form of guarantee of acceptance or turn it into a place where admin wannabes play. Worm^TT(talk) 15:18, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

A small job for you

Hope you're well, mate. I have a little job for you: a young editor has just asked me how to become an admin, so I am naturally going to fob that sort of work off to somebody who knows what he's talking about. He may drop you a note here, so please be kind, if realistic, to him. Catch up with you soon, --RexxS (talk) 22:54, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Worm is well (or at least, active on a bi-daily basis), but looks to be overwhelmed with that work-type-stuff that the rest of the world is trying to avoid. I've left an extra pointer on the new editor's talk page, but if any talk page staplers want to set him up with an adoption course, that would be even better. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Worm's essay on how to become an admin is here: User:Worm That Turned/Magic Formula --Neotarf (talk) 10:44, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• Indeed, attacked by terrible real-world junk. I'm back now though. Having said that, since I had far too many adoptees that I was neglecting, I thought it poor idea to take on more. I've archived my quiet adoptees, so hopefully I'm down to two - but even so, I think taking on more at present would be a poor idea. In any case, Yunshui has taken the chap on, and I've got his page watchlisted (as I assume have a few of my staplers), so I'm sure he'll come to no harm. Worm^TT(talk) 15:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I would like to become adopted by you!

Hi I am spacecasetheman (here's my link: Spacecasetheman (talk) 16:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC) ), I would love to become adopted. I am only 14, and I know that others wouldn't adopt me because I'm inexperienced. I would like to be trained to become an admin, a editor, and a great user! I also would like to join an anti-vandilism patrol I am brand new to wikipedia. Please help and please adopt.

P.S: RexxS sent me!

Spacecasetheman (talk) 16:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

• Adopted by Yunshui. Worm^TT(talk) 14:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Notable?

Do you think this would meet WP:GNG? It's a startup called PoverUp doing microfinancing, but the sources seem to be split between talking about the company and talking about the founder. So far I've got Forbes, an extension of that article in wharton magazine, Inc., fast company, Go girl finance.com (runs on wordpress so it looks like a blog, but I don't believe it is one), Knowledge@wharton, Philadelphia Business Journal, Raising CEO kids (I would have written this website off if it wasn't for the academic credentials of the site creator and the book he wrote), Time Business, another Fast Company (not related to business, but founder is featured). I'll note that Peter Cohan a Wharton Alum, caused a number of these so he was pushing the company out there. What do you think, would it survive AfD? Ryan Vesey 18:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't tell you for sure, it sounds pretty borderline. New startups always face this sort of problem, and generally aren't notable. However, there's only one way to find out ;) Worm^TT(talk) 15:13, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Your userpage

You could save some space by removing the recall procedure from it. It's not likely to be used anyways.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 11:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Maybe, but I firmly believe in recall and I like that to be prominently displayed. Indeed, if I killed off my userpage, I'd keep that showing. As for "not likely to be used"... well, that's kind of you to say, but I'd rather leave the community to decide that. Worm^TT(talk) 11:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Alright. Hehe.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 12:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Worm's Recall

Sign here if you do not want to see Worm be desysopped anytime soon.

1. —cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 12:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
2. -Unless he deserves it =P ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:20, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
3. No time limits on the Worm term. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
4. I think I'll put my name in the right section this time.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 20:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
5. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 21:19, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
6. Keep The funny thing is, the admins who are open to recall are those who would never be recalled. The problematic part is that a portion of those who aren't open to recall should never be be recalled but might be by virtue of the areas they take part in. Ryan Vesey 21:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
7. Keep Based on typical definition of "any time soon" :-p dangerouspanda 09:37, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Counter-petition

Sign here if you think that Worm should buy you a beverage of your choice

1. Definitely, as proposer dangerouspanda 10:00, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
2. Oh yes I'm thirsty right now.—cyberpower _Offline^{Trick or Treat} 10:54, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Copyright question

What's your opinion on these being under CC-BY-SA? Also can i use screenshots from films and games as free or is that fair use? Thanks, and this question is to anyone knowledgeable on copyrights ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:03, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

There's no way it's CC-BY-SA. Screenshots from films or games would need to be used with a fair use rationale. Ryan Vesey 19:25, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up Ryan ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Nothing to add, cheers Ryan :D Worm^TT(talk) 15:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Table Question

I would like to modify this:

Glava Series
Name(s) / variants	Notes	Film appearances	Game appearances
Glava-Begunats		None	Resident Evil 6
Glava-Dim
Glava-Sluz
Glava-Smech

...but am unsure how. I'd like the top "Series Bar" on the left side instead but how do i do that? This question is to anyone. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Glava Series
	Name(s) / variants	Notes	Film appearances	Game appearances
	Glava-Begunats		None	Resident Evil 6
	Glava-Dim
	Glava-Sluz
	Glava-Smech

You mean like that? (changing the colspan to a rowspan and covering the total number of rows) I prefer it on top :) Worm^TT(talk) 09:10, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm undecided, i wanted to see which looks better. Can you get the writing going down in two lines? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, just stick a break in. Worm^TT(talk) 09:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Not quite, i meant with the lettering going down, not left to right. Is that something you can do? With "Glava" going down on the left and then "Series" downwards to the right of it? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't recommend downward writing - it just doesn't add to accessibility. I'm pretty sure the MOS agrees, but I'd have to look it up. Worm^TT(talk) 10:01, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

My other idea was this:

Glava Name(s) / variants	Notes	Film appearances	Game appearances
Glava-Begunats		None	Resident Evil 6
Glava-Dim
Glava-Sluz
Glava-Smech

...But i'm not sure i like it...The sideways writing would only be the series name, which is already incluided multiple times in the actual table anyway. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Like this:

Name(s) / variants		Notes	Film appearances	Game appearances
G l a v a	Glava-Begunats		None	Resident Evil 6
	Glava-Dim
	Glava-Sluz
	Glava-Smech

...Only with "Glava" sideways - still readable and i can get rid of the sections the article currently has for each letter. Sorry for hogging your talk page ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:14, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Can't find anything on it in the MOS, only this and this at the helpdesks. Perhaps I'm wrong. However, with the multiple breaks, I'm pretty sure that will upset a screen reader. I'd have to poke someone who knows more about them. The other option is to create a vertical image, which might work better from an accessibility method, but I don't like that either. Worm^TT(talk) 10:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd rather not use an image of the lettering due to load times and the problem of image sizing (Especially on mass produced infected with 8+ types). I'll look around and hopefully find something. If you do then lemme know. Thanks for your time Dave ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 10:49, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Seeking closure

I hate it when ANI closes just when it gets interesting! ;)

Thanks for the thoughtful comments. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that ANI is full of "heat of the moment" comments, and whilst that's fantastic for debate - it's not great for Wikipedia. I think there's been a concerted effort to close ANI's before they get messy. I just wish I'd had my lunch half an hour later, so I'd have noticed this early! Worm^TT(talk) 12:40, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Removing the Training Wheels

I got in the signpost! :-) --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 21:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

So did another article about adminship reform . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:04, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Gilderien, well done, you should be very proud. I don't think I've been mentioned more than two or three times in there! Means you must be making an impact :)

Kudpung, I did spot that, I'll read it in depth in a day or so, when most of the comments have come in. Worm^TT(talk) 07:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar...

		Civility Award
		The fact that you managed to respond with civility to that sort of language from that sort of person is a credit to you. Few would have responded the same way. You have my thanks and my respect. Stalwart111 (talk) 00:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Stalwart, I probably stepped over the "wholly civil" line there, but I thought making my point was worthwhile. I notice he hasn't editted since. I'd rather he did actually take my advice than be removed from the encyclopedia. Worm^TT(talk) 07:20, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for taking the time to participate in my RfA. I hope that I will be able to improve based on the feedback I received and become a better editor. AutomaticStrikeout 03:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not keen on thankspam, especially such generic stuff. However, I'm sure you will be able to use the feedback, you withdrew at the right time IMO, and there's no shame in it. I'm sure you'll make a great admin one day, and you know where I am if you have any questions. Worm^TT(talk) 07:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration thingy

This concerns you as well, it would seem. Funny I didn't even notice you'd banned the guy at the time... -— Isarra ༆ 04:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

That was rather the point. I was trying to keep the fuss to a minimum. I'll comment there presently. Worm^TT(talk) 07:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Table

Hi Dave. I asked at the help desk but they couldn't help too much, they mostly just discouraged using images, which i agreed with anyway. So i came up with another look. If you can find the time to give your opinion on whether the Crimson Series identifier looks better on top or on the side of my two examples here i would appreciate it. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:20, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Crimson series identifier? I can't see the examples... it's a big old page... Worm^TT(talk) 12:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Crimson is a majestic shade of red =P. There's two. Ignore the yellow one, that was a test edit. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:56, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, gotcha. If you are going to merge the series per letter (so, say, you have all H tables touching) I think having it on the left is a good idea. If on the other hand you are planning to have each series as a seperate table, I would suggest having it on the top. Also, I think it'd be a good idea to have the notes as a final column, not the second. Worm^TT(talk) 13:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I've been using it as a description or history column mainly, and since the game and film appearances will later partly become my references - that's why i stuck them on the end. I plan on adding books eventually too.

More importantly you didn't know what Crimson was??? ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I do know what crimson is. I just didn't know what Crimson Series was, given that I've not played all the Resident Evils (in fact, only played 1 and 2) - I assumed it might a series of monsters, which you were getting me to look at. Given the capital C, the word Series, and the stupid names Resident Evil comes up with for it's baddies, I don't think that was an unreasonable assumption.

It sounds like you've got a big project there, good luck with it! Worm^TT(talk) 13:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, i see. The games got better after 1 + 2 but the films got worse after Extinction (3) so you didn't miss much. It's actually a very simple project as the Resident Evil Wiki has done most of the work for me already and so i'm mostly harvesting that entire site of information and references (later). Strangely my work on both appears to be improving the Resident Evil Wiki too, so it's all good. And for another strange reason we have a Characters article but the creatures article redirects to the same one...Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

And of course you are giving attribution to the wiki where you've taken the information from... Worm^TT(talk) 13:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Nope, nothing has been copied directly. I just took their listing of which creatures appear in each game so i could merge it into tables and add/detract from it. There's no direct comparison between the two and mine is more complete. So no infringement ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

for intervening in that unpleasantness yesterday, it's appreciated. rgds, Leaky Caldron 13:43, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome. I've always found Scotty to be reasonable and his tool does have uses, hopefully as things move forward those uses will be more apparent. Worm^TT(talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

RFA

Hi WormTT, thanks for your kind note. I'd be willing to reapply again as I feel I can improve Wikipedia if I had greater powers. I don't particularly want to be involved in the whole purely administrative side of things particularly, as I prefer to focus on content, as I feel that this is the area where Wikipedia needs most immediate improvement. I don't mean to denigrate the good work that a lot of admins do, but frankly, without content provision, there would be no Wikipedia. Farrtj (talk) 07:55, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

There's an old adage: good content creators should not become admins. Doing the admin-y work usually interferes with good creators. One of the reasons that I read as to why you wanted to become an admin was to protect the articles you create: that's pretty much 180 away from the Prime Directive of admins: you may not use admin powers to protect your own work. dangerouspanda 09:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I've also posted my thoughts on the matter at Farrtj's page. Worm^TT(talk) 09:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Reply to User:EatsShootsAndLeaves - That's why i don't intend to apply - i prefer editing to tedious admin and cleanup tasks. Adminship will sideline your editing. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:57, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I think I heard someone talk about the military this way: "let the civilians run the bureacracy, and leave the fighting to the uniforms" - both roles are important, but of course in the Wikipedia case the uniforms are the non-admins! Keep up the content work Jenova, it is appreciated! dangerouspanda 11:06, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Will do, thank you very much! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thinking about becoming an admin

I am thinking, about becoming an administrator. So, I would like to ask you if you can review me, so I can see what I can do, so if I do get nominated for Administrator, that I might be a good candidate. Or that I am ready to be nominated. I know I most likely don't use edit summaries all of the time when I make an edit. I know I haven't created many articles either, only about 14 articles, I know I didn't create any articles that got recognized but I did help one article gain a GA Status being this article 2011 Virginia earthquake. I am also planning to get more active in the WP:PUF area, and also working with files, as an OTRS Team member. But, I would like to know what I can do better, to become a better editor. As well maybe become an administrator. I know it would be hard work. I would also like to know in your opinion if I am ready to become an administrator, or even get nominated yet. And also tell me what I need to do better. Thanks, --Clarkcj12 (talk) 21:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Maths

Hi Worm,

Can you teach me how to convert the number 50 into a hexadecimal? --RexRowanTalk 14:23, 19 October 2012 (UTC) Sorry, I figured it out. 50/16=3 + 2, so 32. --RexRowanTalk 14:28, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Well, it's all about remainders. Hex is base 16, so what you have to do is divide the decimal by 16 and write the remainder in Hex (eg 12=C). Then keep re-doing it until the result is less than 1. Write down the remainders in reverse order.

So for 50,

50/16 = 3 remainder 2

3/16 is less than 1, therefore the answer is 32. do you want to try one? Worm^TT(talk) 14:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure! I made a little game using Scratch, play it! Use left and right to turn and up to move forward.[1] I also made a website where I keep notes.[2]:D --RexRowanTalk 14:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Very nice...I wrote a few games (tower defense style) last year in scratch, but I can't remember whether I ever got round to putting them on the website.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:13, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I play a little game my dad made call China. It involves you having to convert to binary to make your moves. :P I know them all, octadecimal, hexadecimal, and binary. :D—cyberpower _{Limited Access}^{Trick or Treat} 15:39, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Apparently you are not up with the times..

I'd appreciate you withdrawing the insinuation I am projecting power ahead of a re-election bid. My two year term is up as of December 31st, however, I've made it clear that I am *NOT* running for re-election since May (on my user page). If you're going to make such accusations, I'd really appreciate you doing a simple bit of research beforehand. SirFozzie (talk) 19:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say you were making a show of power for re-election, I said you were making a show of power at the end of your term. If anything, the situation with Malleus has improved, I find the suggestion to ban him under a perfectly valid request for amendment distasteful. Worm^TT(talk) 09:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

SirFrozzie, message received, point not taken. If you don't understand how Wikipedia works, ask Worm to adopt you, he can teach you. Lesson one, abusing your power indicates you are unfit for your position. Lesson two, unable to take on positive criticism indicates that you have personality disorders. I think it is a wise idea for you to retire. --RexRowanTalk 09:48, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in here, but that's how I read your (WormTT's) statement too—that SirFozzie drafted the motion that way because he's up for reelection. And since perception often matters more than intent (ironically relevant, considering the matter at hand), I'd suggest modifying the statement to clarify what you mean (on second thought, maybe it doesn't matter at this stage). And RexRowan, I think the personality disorders thing is really rather uncalled for... I disagree with the motion and agree with WormTT that if anything, the situation with Malleus is getting better, but I think accusations of power abuse and personality disorders are below the level of discourse we should aim for around these parts. wctaiwan (talk) 13:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

The title of this section is an accusation isn't it? The 'You are...' statement. Don't like the taste of your own medicine? I will stop judging him if he stops judging Worm. Social injustice is caused by power abuse. Disagree how you like, I don't need you to call for it to speak. What you gonna do? Ban me too? Go ahead.--RexRowanTalk 14:05, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Woah, Rex, calm down. I read Worm's statement in the same sense as Wctaiwan and SirFozzzie, it's an easy mistake to make.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 14:47, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I read Wc's email. I am sorry for causing distress to individuals involved. I just thought we are all entitled to our opinions without being targeted individually to change our mind because the person in question has a title. If you don't agree Worm's judgement, simply counter his statement in public rather than manipulate him to change his statement in private. That's all. Thank you for listening and I wish all the best for everyone. --RexRowanTalk 15:44, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not in the position to do much now having had a few but will alter my comment when I've sobered up. Rex thank you for your eloquent defence, while it msg have had problems I did appreciate it. Worm^TT(talk) 18:06, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

ISBN?

Hi Dave, just wondering how i cite a book and include the ISBN number? I just bought the Resident Evil Archives II but it has TWO ISBN numbers...Not sure why or how i include them. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 19:58, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

ISBN numbers come in 10 digit and 13 digits. There is also an older 9 digit system. The 13 digit system is preferred. When using {{cite book}} the parameter is |isbn= Ryan Vesey 20:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Just to make sure, ISBN is a International Standard Book Number used for identifying a book. It is not to be confused with ICBM which causes massive destruction and has nothing to do with books (Except possibly the little red one, which incidentally has it's own ISBN Template:ISBN-13). Ryan Vesey 20:13, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm a Civ III nerd Ryan, you don't need to tell me what an ICBM is. I use them on Americans and the Japanese on a weekly basis =P. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 21:59, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

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