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Thank you very much for that lede, i'm always crap at writing them so it is much appreciated! If you have more to add then go ahead, i'm still trying to finish other stuff currently '''[[User:Jenova20|ツ <span style="color:red;font-family:comic sans ms">Je<font color="gold">no</font><font color="blue">va</font></span>]]<font color="purple">[[User_talk:Jenova20|20]]</font> <sup>([[Special:EmailUser/Jenova20|email]])</sup>''' 23:00, 11 December 2012 (UTC) |
Thank you very much for that lede, i'm always crap at writing them so it is much appreciated! If you have more to add then go ahead, i'm still trying to finish other stuff currently '''[[User:Jenova20|ツ <span style="color:red;font-family:comic sans ms">Je<font color="gold">no</font><font color="blue">va</font></span>]]<font color="purple">[[User_talk:Jenova20|20]]</font> <sup>([[Special:EmailUser/Jenova20|email]])</sup>''' 23:00, 11 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Lest any other editors get the wrong impression, Jenova's referring to [[User:Jenova20/List of gay sex positions]].{{wink}} And sure, I'll see if there's anything I can think to add... though I must confess I got a bit caught up in flipping through that source you linked to.''' — <u><font color="#000000">[[User:Francophonie&Androphilie|Francophonie&Androphilie]]</font></u>'''<sup>(''<u><font color="#000000">[[User talk:Francophonie&Androphilie|Je vous invite à me parler]]</font></u>'')</sup> 23:13, 11 December 2012 (UTC) |
:Lest any other editors get the wrong impression, Jenova's referring to [[User:Jenova20/List of gay sex positions]].{{wink}} And sure, I'll see if there's anything I can think to add... though I must confess I got a bit caught up in flipping through that source you linked to.''' — <u><font color="#000000">[[User:Francophonie&Androphilie|Francophonie&Androphilie]]</font></u>'''<sup>(''<u><font color="#000000">[[User talk:Francophonie&Androphilie|Je vous invite à me parler]]</font></u>'')</sup> 23:13, 11 December 2012 (UTC) |
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and you don't know how to write an article -__________-. You don't repeat the same point three times, including them in different sections. Also that intro was corrected to reflect a broader demographic. Why deny good changes based on who the editor is? Why factor it in? Silly indeed. [[Special:Contributions/142.161.185.92|142.161.185.92]] ([[User talk:142.161.185.92|talk]]) 00:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC) |
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Hello there. Please feel welcome to tell me anything I'm doing wrong... or right, but I care more about improving on what I'm bad at than knowing what I'm good at.
Unless you ask otherwise, I will respond to your messages here and leave talkback notices at your respective pages. I tend to think in a very technical way, and I like things to flow well, so if you request that I respond at your page, I will, but I may also post my response here, for continuity's sake.
General maintenance disclaimer: I may alter the basic style of your comments (placement, indentation, etc.) or clarify what you're referring to (in which case such an intervention would be tagged with my own signature), but I will never make any alterations to the actual substance of said comments, all in keeping with WP:TPO.
For stuff I'm proud of, an overview of who I am, and any conversations not found here or at the archive, please see my main page.
(You can call me "Francophonie&Androphonie," "Franco&Andro," "F&A," "Franco" (also the username of an account with no logged contributions) "Francophonie" (also the username of an inactive and blocked account), or "Tom." If, for any reason, you want to link to my userpage or user talk page, to save time you can just write "User:FRC&AND" or "User talk:FRC&AND," respectively: They're redirects.)
— Francophonie&Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler)
NAC Thanks
Hi F&A. I didn't see this comment until after the discussion was closed, but I just wanted to say thanks for pointing that out. You were, of course, absolutely correct, and I should've seen that myself before I carried out the NAC. I'll have less self-doubt next time! Thanks again. — sparklism hey! 15:12, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- Haha, well I'm probably a bit too familiar with policy exceptions, in all honesty - I think you can always spot an NPP'er in an AfD or similar discussion by the apparent need to speed things up as much as possible. So, as Dennis said in his closing note, I quite admire your restraint in double-checking what you did; I hope I can be so self-aware in my contributions someday. :) — Francophonie&Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler) 19:06, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Message left on user page
I'm not going to paste 24k bytes into your talk page so here you go, have fun! :) -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 08:14, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks as always, Riley! :) What is it with the French and copypastes? - in that whole Bourdin thing, he pasted various blocks of text to Jimbo's page, including one that I had to refactor just like I am with this one (just replacing the text with the relevant link), and two where the text he pasted included templates that had been written the {{tl}} form, but since he wasn't copying the source code, they transcluded to Jimbo's page. — Francophonie&Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler) 12:09, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
new page
Transferred from my user page, and refactored to replace a massive copypaste with a single link — Francophonie&Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler) 12:09, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello Francophonie & Androphilie,
There is an important and interesting page in French about "Visual History". I think that it would be useful to get it in English. Could you translate it in English ? I will have a look. That would be great (in French, it is "Histoire du Visuel", but I copy it for you).
Merci !
PlurofuturoPlurofuturo (talk) 07:12, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
DC case
Hi, in the posting you just made, you may have meant to link to the edit before this one rather than this edit. ϢereSpielChequers 01:46, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
- Correct. Thanks for noticing! :) — Francophonie&Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler) 02:01, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Thanks for the naming of Snowflake snippet, that was one of "those random facts from the interwebs" that keeps me on this site:) ϢereSpielChequers 09:24, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Block
I got blocked. Then I got unblocked. I'm not embarrassed about it, and you should all still feel free to comment on any of these threads if you feel so inclined, but I don't want to take up so much space here with what's mostly a moot point.
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BlockedI've taken a deeper look at your edit history, and it's clear that you are a returning user with an agenda. I don't particularily care which user that may be; the fact is that since the mere month this account has been active I've seen you in several venues stirring up drama and that alone is reason to believe that you aren't here to write an encyclopedia. Editors here have much better things to do than play games with trolls. Please return to your real account and make a proper unblock request there. In the meantime, this account has been blocked indefinitely. — Coren (talk) 02:58, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
![]() Tamzin (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: I have been blocked on the basis that I am "a returning user with an agenda" who is "stirring up drama." I aim to appeal this block by challenging both of these claims.
I am not a "returning user clearly up to no good." I think the various objections this block has received (see WP:ANI#Personal attacks and unfounded accusations by User:Delicious carbuncle) show that I'm not "clearly" up to anything, and no evidence has been provided of exactly what "no good" I've come here to do. As for the "returning user" part, if the reviewing admin has any specific questions about the notion that I know too much to be a new user, I will gladly answer them. However, I've never heard of a good knowledge of the way things work being a reason to block someone. Also, please look at some of my early contributions - yes, I started an AfD on my first or second day (it's the reason I created this account, at first), but look at how much it sucked. I had a working knowledge of Wikipedia coming in (from lurking and basic IP editing), but I had just as much a lurning curve as any other new user. Thank you for taking the time to consider this request.
Accept reason: I've said elsewhere that I remained open to an appeal from you, but that it had better be compelling for me to accept it. It was. I'm still very much unconfortable with the number of coincidences around you but it would seem that they are just that – coincidences. I suppose a nasty side effect of routinely working around the worst Wikipedia attracts colors perceptions, and I saw more around you than an outsider would have. Please accept my apologies for the block. I realise now in retrospect that I should have discussed this matter with you before blocking the account. I'll still offer a piece of advice, however: don't delve too deeply and quickly in the back-office aspects of the project – it's rather seedy back there and you'll end up with a jaundiced view. Not unlike mine, I suppose. — Coren (talk) 06:01, 2 December 2012 (UTC) In one of the many IRC chats I was involved in during my block, I commented on the irony of being the subject of the same type of bold action I so often promote. Indeed, in some ways, I see no reason to consider this anything more than the sort of friendly fire one often encounters in the "seedy side" - reverting back to a vandalized copy, confusing the good guys with the bad guys, etc. Perhaps the best analogy would be one of my hallmark hasty "speedy delete" votes at AfD: Somewhat disruptive, wasting a little time from other editors and reflecting poorly on myself, but, ultimately, a moot point. At the end of the day all that happened was that two whining editors started noticeboard threads, and the wrong one got blocked for a few hours. (Though I'm aware I'm now too involved to pursue any further action against User:Delicious carbuncle.) You had the judgment to review your own actions and revert them in a situation where you could have probably gotten away with brushing it all under the rug - or, at the very least, you could have sulked in a corner while another admin dealt with my request, and politely refused comment afterward. But no, you chose to unblock me yourself, and I do take that admission of error at its full value. Hell, your unblock summary was so courteous than my block log looks better now than it did at the start of all this. Since all this was about how new I am, I note a further irony in that I created my account a few days too late to vote in the ArbCom elections. But I rather like it this way: I'll never have to decide whether or not to vote for you, but I know, at the very least, that it wouldn't be a cut-and-dry answer. You are a good man. Merci bien. — Francophonie&Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler) 06:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
favorite novelDo you have a favorite novel or author? Just wondering. I used to like John Barth. 66.127.54.40 (talk) 06:31, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Please accept my apologiesI will take Coren's unblock as an affirmation that you are who you claim to be. Please accept my apologies for accusing you of being another incarnation of PaoloNapolitano/Fluttershy, but the resemblance was uncanny. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 06:32, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
RevDel requestGiven the extraordinary circumstance under which I felt obliged to publish some personal details, would an admin be so kind as to delete all revisions of this talk page starting with my unblock request and ending with the one immediately before this (timestamps 5:03 to 7:03)? Such information will always be available if someone stalks my contributions extensively enough, but I'd prefer not to have it all in one place. — Francophonie&Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler) 07:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Could you possibly add an article to the French Wikipedia for Miklós Kretzoi?Hello Francophonie&Androphilie, I'm Peter aka User:Shirt58, quite possibly one of the most bizarre yet low-profile editors in the top 2 000 by edits, or something like that.
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Visual Culture
This was a very difficult work for me. I am a French student. It is useful page. I finally did the translation. But could you Francophilie&Androphilie have a look to write it in a better way ? That would be great. Many thanks.
PlurofuturoPlurofuturo (talk) 11:25, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar |
"At one point I spent 36 straight hours editing." (Been there, done that!) -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 16:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC) |
GOCE November 2012 backlog drive award
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Thank you for your copy editing work in the WP:GOCE November 2012 backlog elimination drive! Please accept this as a token of our appreciation. —Torchiest talkedits 16:13, 3 December 2012 (UTC) |
your talk page
In response to your ANI query -- given that that the block has been lifted, you can dump anything you want off your talk page per policy. (archiving is better though). NE Ent 20:31, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, that was about the ANI thread itself. Uncle G did exactly that - closed the part on me and left the main thread open - before anyone had a chance to reply. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 20:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
A belated welcome!
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Here's wishing you a belated welcome to Wikipedia, Francophonie&Androphilie. I see that you've already been around a while and wanted to thank you for your contributions. Though you seem to have been successful in finding your way around, you may benefit from following some of the links below, which help editors get the most out of Wikipedia:
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Again, welcome! TBrandley 20:40, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- That IS a bit late, TBradley! This user has already racked up a bunch of edits, been blocked indefinitely, had their name dragged through the mud and then polished up again, and is hanging out at ANI 2 being helpful. Now, about those cookies, I kinda missed lunch, and dinner isn't here yet... Drmies (talk) 00:00, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed. DTTR! No, just kidding. Better late than never. Pleasure to meet you, TBrandley. Though I agree with Drmies that someone should change that template so the cookies are a bit less tantalizing. It's just cruel.
- Doc, I think that's the first time anyone's ever called anyone's actions at ANI "helpful." I wish there were some way to filter out all the timewastes... maybe create an Administrators' Noticeboard/Bullshit? Although, in all seriousness, it'd be helpful to have some sort of noticeboard specifically for "admin abuse"... not because there's any need, but because the volume of claims is horrendous. I actually think Coren made a good point in his unblock post above, when he said that spending too much time at ANI and the like jaundices one's view; it'd be nice if we could quarantine the content responsible for that somewhere else - heck, that way you could topic-ban perennial complainers from that noticeboard without taking away their right to file ANI reports for legitimate complaints.
- Point is, mmm, cookies, yummy. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 01:11, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- ANI moves in waves, up and down. It was much worse a half a year ago, and then I and a couple of others (Fluffernutter, for instance) started cutting things off quicker: threads that linger generate drama, and ditto with threads that shouldn't be there in the first place. For a while, there was a proposal that one of the editors who is perceived by some (not me) as a professional ANIDRAMA whore should be in charge of the board, but in the end that didn't happen. There's a few non-admins (including Nobody Ent) who are keeping an eye on things and I think that it's a lot more workable than it was a year ago. I personally think that comments should be made only by admins, and by non-admins only if they are directly involved or invited; that cuts down on a lot of ambulance chasing, IMO. Besides, ANI seems to be like a kind of kiddy pool where those who want to be admins come out and play, and sometimes do little more than chime in, or chime out, depending on which way the wind blows. But I've probably ruffled enough feathers for today; good thing usually people don't listen to me. A la prochaine, Drmies (talk) 01:42, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you for removing a personal attack made in the heat of a sustained vandal rollbacking. It is very much appreciated! T.I.M(Contact) 04:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC) |
- Haha no problem. Just so you know, I noticed in that IP's contribs that he hit RHaworth's page a few weeks ago. Which means that you might want to brace yourself. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 04:27, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the info. Clearly I could have extracted the past history if I had known that it was there but, as you say, it was not readily apparent. I think that my actions would not have different had I been aware of the history of which you speak; in any language his text is still inappropriate. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 09:35, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Definitely. Clearly deserved the block, the declined unblock, and the threat to remove talk page access. One of the worst unblock requests I've seen, and I had to fix the template for him, to boot! Was just clarifying that on the long list of policy violations he's committed, that specific advertisement wasn't one (directly, at least). I don't know User:Sobreira, but if he seems like the troutable type, I say go for it. ;) Though really, this was all just desserts for Ahmad for deleting his speedy warning... it never seems to occur to problem editors that the warnings are for our convenience, not theirs. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 09:46, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
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A cup of coffee for you!
FC Mika – finally! Happy vandalism fighting! ![]() |
A welcome respite, friend. Tsk tsk tsk to all you admins out there, whatever you have better to do with your time at 3 AM than reverting vandalism. He took up a whole page of the edit history! And check my edit count - FC Mika is now my most-edited article. (Though that's probably a sign I should actually do some content edits every now and then.) — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 08:08, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- Shout-outs as well to Legoktm for finding an awake admin, and, of course, to Patar knight for actually blocking the guy. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 08:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- FC Mika? Boooooooooring. Drmies (talk) 06:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- I gotta say, that guy showed a helluvalotta determination, for vandalism that was 80% pointless. I mean, I've seen people really go at it, but that's normally over BLPs or user talk pages, and usually is a lot more profane/angry. Also showed no interest in coming after my page, despite the 12 reverts, 4 warnings, and AIV report. And even when he got himself a different IP, he just went right back to hitting the Mika page! Of course, you're European, Doc, so maybe you can see what could get someone so excited about soccer; for that matter, you're straight, so maybe you can see what could get someone so excited about sports in general. ;) — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 06:59, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
- FC Mika? Boooooooooring. Drmies (talk) 06:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
If any admins are awake and watching this page...
...and want to increase their admin-log block count by 25, here ya go. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 09:26, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Barnstar of Diligence |
Wow... great work assembling and matching up that entire drawer of socks! Tgeairn (talk) 10:10, 8 December 2012 (UTC) |
Thanks! In the case of this vandal, I've never seen so much technical ability combined with so little efficacy in vandalism. Second time in two days (see above) I've faced off against someone who could've wreaked havoc on my userpage, and instead just made the same dumb edits over and over again. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 10:16, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Request
Hi Francophonie&Androphilie: Since you had agreed [6] that the Natalie Khawam page could be redirected to the main Petraeus scandal article where there is a section about her, you may want to chime in at Talk:Natalie Khawam#Edit request on 10 December 2012. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 09:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
- Saw this right after I posted my reply. Incidentally, I'm actually the one who created the redirect, and left the note saying that it should not be turned into an article without consensus. I assume that note was the basis under which it was protected. I have no opinion on the decision to protect, myself. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 10:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
- I've also revised Natalie Khawam Wolfe to reflect the section title change. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 10:07, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Dilogy
Hi, have a look at de:Mehrteiler, e.g. Since Dilogy stems from an ancient greek word (just like the line of trilogy tetralogy, etc.) there should be plenty of source, so I do not see the point in picking one random, possibly not-best source for quotation. Also, you might have a look at [7] --84.185.81.72 (talk) 01:36, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yup. Sorry. That was a dumb revert on my part. I've restored your revision. Someone should probably throw up citations for all of the ones there other than trilogy, but there was no reason for me to single your edit out. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 01:43, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Proof of proxy/sockpuppetry of IP foe
OP blocked for harrassment, sockpuppetry, etc.
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Bonjour, please see: http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/220.255.2.142 and note the following: ":IP: 220.255.2.142 Decimal: 3707699854 Hostname: proxy-220-255-2-142.singnet.com.sg ISP: SingNet Pte Ltd Organization: SingNet Pte Ltd Services: Confirmed proxy server Recently reported forum spam source. (1) Type: Broadband Assignment: Static IP Blacklist: Geolocation Information Country: Singapore City: Singapore Latitude: 1.2931 Longitude: 103.8558" Note, "Confirmed proxy server". Thanks for your understanding. 142.161.182.190 (talk) 02:28, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
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City image montages
Hello. I'm new to Wikipedia and I was just wondering if you could inform me how to make an info-box montage for a city? Is there any particular photo editing program required? 124.177.186.253 (talk) 05:11, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm. I actually have no clue. It's possible some of the editors watching this page might (Writ Keeper? Riley? Theo? Yunshui?
Drmies?), but otherwise I'd advise that you ask at the Teahouse, or that you paste the text {{Helpme}} onto your talk page, describing what you'd like to know below it. The Teahouse generally has a faster response time, I believe. There's also the Help desk, but the Teahouse is geared more toward new users. Hope that helps. Sorry I couldn't be of greater assistance. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 05:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
December 2012
Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Do not accuse me of having "European pragmatism", young man! BTW, thanks for the help. Drmies (talk) 05:22, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- You can't tease me about my writing skills, and then get all hurt when I put them to good use.
As for the conversion therapy, having just flipped through every single picture of lesbian sex on Commons, I think it's safe to say you've failed. And thanks for the RfC link. I'll take a look as soon as I get the chance. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 05:42, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- Haha, every single one? Do we have many? (PS: I take offense to the charge of pragmatism--I'm a Calvinist, sure, but in my heart I'm totally rock and roll, and a Dutch Baudelaire to boot.) Drmies (talk) 18:40, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- From all the talk that happens on Jimbo's talk page, it would seem that there's not much else on Commons. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:46, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hardly matters if you intended to be a pragmatist: God decided that you would be before you were even born, whether you ever behave like one or not. And do we have many pictures? We have infinitely too many, from where I stand, traumatized. Perhaps that's one thing Delicious carbuncle and I could agree on: Commons is no place for lesbian erotica. It's disgusting.
— Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 18:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- Haha, every single one? Do we have many? (PS: I take offense to the charge of pragmatism--I'm a Calvinist, sure, but in my heart I'm totally rock and roll, and a Dutch Baudelaire to boot.) Drmies (talk) 18:40, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Diljaan
Housekeeping tags are usually so routine that I delete everything within reach on autopilot. In this case it appears that I should have actually read the tag, my apologies. I've restored and moved to article space. Probably needs tagging for something. Speedy? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:19, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- No problem. I have no particular attachment to the article, of course, but I googled him earlier, and it appears he is a legitimate singer of some (minor) repute, which means the article does provide a claim to notability. I was planning on throwing up a BLPPROD and seeing how it goes. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 15:26, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- Fine avec moi Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
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Sex positions
Thank you very much for that lede, i'm always crap at writing them so it is much appreciated! If you have more to add then go ahead, i'm still trying to finish other stuff currently ツ Jenova20 (email) 23:00, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- Lest any other editors get the wrong impression, Jenova's referring to User:Jenova20/List of gay sex positions.
And sure, I'll see if there's anything I can think to add... though I must confess I got a bit caught up in flipping through that source you linked to. — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 23:13, 11 December 2012 (UTC)