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Talk:The Amazing Race 21

Please comment on whether Category:American LGBT-related television programs is an appropriate category for this particular season, which featured three openly gay contestants (including the winning team). Category was added and removed, once by someone who says that the show is not "just for Gays" and it's "not just directed at those people". A second editor removed the category with the comment "absolutely not" and has refused to comment further. Buck Winston (talk) 22:52, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I believe past discussions resulted in a consensus that any wiki-project was free to express interest in an article, although it was considered a good practice to note why the wiki-project was relevant, especially in the case of BLPs. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

"Expressing interest" means tagging the article with this project on its talk page. A Category is something quite different. I think the Cat is justified. The show is "related" -- that doesn't mean just for any audience segment or just about any one thing. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 00:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I misread the question. You are correct that wiki-project tags and categories are completely different things. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 05:41, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, people, please comment ON THE TALK PAGE of the article in question. That's where consensus is built. Buck Winston (talk) 07:10, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

  Buck Winston, stop categorizing whatever you think has even the vaguest connections to LGBT studies with this project and stop referring to category removals as "homophobic". Local consensus is against this inclusion so you should respect that instead of going over everyone's heads by canvasing for people to come to your side.—Ryulong (琉竜) 10:13, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Split Androphilia and gynephilia article?

Opinions are needed on the topic of whether or not to split the Androphilia and gynephilia article so that there are separate articles, with one titled Androphilia and the other titled Gynephilia. The discussion is at Talk:Androphilia and gynephilia#Split and restore. Like I stated there, I would also leave a note about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality, but that WikiProject is pretty much dead. Flyer22 (talk) 17:52, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Improving Gay literature and renaming it LGBT literature

Discussion is starting on how to best improve and expand Gay literature and move the article back to it's old title, LGBT literature. Interested editors should give their input on the article talk page. --NickPenguin_(contribs) 17:48, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Dispute regarding Laura Jane Grace article

Hi! I'm a newbie to editing Wikipedia, so please forgive me if I'm not using the appropriate channel here to address my concerns. Basically, I'm having a dispute with another editor on the Laura Jane Grace article. For those not familiar with her, Laura Jane Grace is a trans woman and the lead singer of the American punk rock band Against Me!. There is another editor who insists that virtually the entire article on her be written using her former male name, Tom Gabel. I believe that this editor is injecting his own personal opinion about the validity of Grace's identity into this article and that in doing so he is violating NPOV.

Reputable articles on The Guardian and MTV.com describe Grace by using her current name--even for events that happened to her long before she came out. This other editor, however, is reverting all my edits that attempt to incorporate information from these articles as well as my other attempts to update the rest of the Wikipedia entry to reflect Grace's current identity. I believe that continuing to use Grace's former name throughout 90% of the article is not consistent with the precedent on Wikipedia regarding other transgender individuals or with the spirit of the MOS:IDENTITY guideline. I would appreciate it if anyone here has any advice to me as to how I could best handle this situation. Thanks! Rebecca (talk) 08:57, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

File:Ellengay.jpg nominated for deletion

Just letting the project know that this image is nominated at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 January 6#File:Ellengay.jpg. Flyer22 (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Segunda piel / Second Skin (1999)

This film is currently described here:

• Second Skin (2000 film)

However, although there is a film released in 2000 of this name, the film described is not that plot. The film described on this page is a Spanish film in Spanish and released in called Segunda piel released (English title Second Skin). Clearly the title of the page should show 1999, not 2000. Also, since this is a Spanish film, maybe the title should be the original Spanish name? I have made the minimum edits to correct the year in the Info-box and lede paragraph, but leave it to others to amend the page title, etc. Enquire (talk) 04:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Lynette Nusbacher

There is a BLP sourcing dispute which I have attempted to summarize at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Lynette_Nusbacher. At issue is outing this person's change of gender. She is a LGBT hero in the UK. Insomesia (talk) 11:34, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Are you serious... I laughed out loud in real life. An lgbt hero???? --Hinata talk 22:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Hinata seems to have the mind of a child. No wonder. Teammm ^talk
_email 00:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I laughed (though not out loud) at putting "a" rather than "an" in front of "L". Be that as it may, I thought this was settled a couple of weeks ago. The person in question has, at the very least, changed their identification from masculine to feminine. That's verifiable. That doesn't mean they underwent sex-change surgery, necessarily. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Hate speech by one editor who is currently indefinitely blocked; part of it has already been removed.

Regardless, I personally... hate the article in so many ways it is impossible to say it in one paragraph. I just want the article deleted because it is non-notable to me and sickens me to, but I do realize I have to be civil. Although I will probably warned or hated on, I hate the subject to because she made the sex change, which I view as unacceptable. I personally hate lgbt and I'm anti-lgbt. I openly condemn the subject. --Hinata talk 22:39, 10 January 2013 (UTC) Your POV here is a gross missuse of this project talkpage.--Amadscientist (talk) 23:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I have to say, I am very disapointed in the way I, and others were used by this "person". I am glad this issue is over and that we can move on. I have a feeling, however, from the last post on the user's talkpage (before it was protected) that this is not the last we hear from them.--Amadscientist (talk) 03:33, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm really not sure what you mean? I think they were not happy their genitals were being discussed worldwide when in fact any possible surgeries were private. Insomesia (talk) 11:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Pink List

We are missing a few articles from the IoS' 2012 list: Note some of the blue links are pages or may be otherwise incorrect.

1. Nicola Adams
2. Clare Balding
3. Peter Tatchell
4. Lee Pearson
5. Carl Hester
6. Greg Barker
7. Heather Peace
8. Nick Grimshaw
9. David Laws
10. Luke Anderson
11. Phyll Opoku-Gyimah
12. Evan Davis
13. Sue Perkins
14. Stephen Twigg
15. Charlie Condou
16. Iain Dale
17. Sir Paul Jenkins
18. Jessie J
19. Gareth Thomas
20. James Wharton
21. Chris Bryant
22. John Partridge
23. Henry Holland
24. Nick Boles
25. Carol Ann Duffy has an article - -sche
26. Derren Brown
27. Mary Portas
28. Pratibha Parmar
29. Alan Carr
30. Sir Terence Etherton
31. Simon Hughes
32. Gok Wan
33. Antony Cotton
34. Sarah Brown
35. Will Young
36. Steve Reed
37. John Barrowman
38. Val McDermid
39. Sir Nicholas Hytner
40. Jane Hill
41. Stella Duffy
42. Christine Burns
43. Jonny Oates
44. Dr Ashley Steel
45. John Amaechi
46. Sir Adrian Fulford
47. Jonathan Harvey
48. April Ashley MBE
49. Jennifer Fear
50. Casey Stoney
51. Christian Jessen
52. Eddie Mair
53. Mark Gatiss
54. Guy Black
55. Sue Sanders and Tony Fenwick
56. Russell T Davies
57. Alan Davey
58. David Allen Green
59. Michael Salter
60. Anthony Watson
61. Philip Hensher
62. Scott Mills
63. Louise Englefield
64. Russell Tovey
65. Roz Kaveney
66. Ceri Goddard
67. Jackie Kay
68. Lynette Nusbacher
69. Susie Orbach
70. Allegra McEvedy
71. Dominic Cooke
72. Angela Eagle
73. Mandy McBain
74. Phyllida Lloyd
75. Michael King
76. Alan Duncan
77. Shaun Dellenty
78. Lisa Egan
79. Steven Davies
80. Mark Healey
81. Jay Stewart
82. Ben Bradshaw
83. Sara Geater
84. Evelyn Asante-Mensah
85. Simon Blake
86. Lucy Spraggan
87. Margot James
88. Sir Nick Partridge
89. Gary Everett
90. Bisi Alimi
91. Kelvin Holdsworth
92. Dean Atta
93. Nigel Owens
94. Steph Keeble and David Viney
95. Susan Calman
96. Ruth Davidson
97. Dan Bunker
98. Christopher Bailey
99. Jackie Crozier
100. Claire Harvey
101. Michael Black and John Morgan

Rich Farmbrough, 15:37, 10 January 2013 (UTC).

Have corrected a few Wiki links above. Of the top 20, people with short or no articles:

• Luke Anderson - Doesn't have his own article - part of Big Brother instead. Unless he does something else of note, I'm not sure he warrants his own article.
• Phyll Opoku-Gyimah - Very Short
• James Wharton

~Excesses~ (talk) 18:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

From 21 down to 54:

• Sarah Brown is missing
• Ashley Steel is very short
• Jennifer Fear is very short

~Excesses~ (talk) 19:15, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

What does this mean: "IoS' 2012 list" ? Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 19:31, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Appears to be this, IoS == Independent on Sunday. --j⚛e decker^talk 19:47, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. That explains why I recognize so few. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 19:51, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

IoS 2012 Pink List Rich Farmbrough, 02:15, 13 January 2013 (UTC).

We've started a new LGBT project on Wikivoyage, and you're invited!

As the banner notices at the tops of articles may have informed you, Wikivoyage, the Wikimedia Foundation's fork of Wikitravel, has recently made its debut. Expeditions are the project's analog to Wikipedia's WikiProjects, and the LGBT Expedition has been started. The goal is to develop and maintain content that aids the LGBT traveler. We hope you join us. — Athelwulf ^[T]/_[C] 19:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:Transgender sidebar

Could some people please watch Template:Transgender sidebar? I removed a paysite for shemales that had been there for a while and now an anon is attempting to re-add it. I put in a request for semi-protection. Insomesia (talk) 02:45, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be pornographic in nature and should be kept out.--Amadscientist (talk) 03:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree, i wasn't sure of I was missing something here. Insomesia (talk) 11:29, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Categories

A large number of subcategories from Category:LGBT people by occupation has been proposed for deletion in the last few days. Already deleted are LGBT austronauts, LGBT linguists and LGBT psychologists. Category:LGBT_physicians is proposed for speedy deletion. LGBT_scientists and LGBT_historians are currently at CFD. The main argument for deletion is that "Being LGBT and a x ocupation is not a cultural topic in its own right". If that argument is accepted, than all subcategories from Category:LGBT people by occupation will probably be deleted. I think that members of this project should have the opportunity to express their opinion, no matter what that opinion is.--В и к и T 12:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)