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*Would he be notable for his films if he wasn't an editor for Fangoria? Maybe so, maybe no. Would he have to do something else if he lost his editorial and writing jobs tomorrow? Probably. That's neither here nor there, as he has these jobs and even if he lost them tomorrow, he'd still be known for them. As for his films being only known by his friends, I'd have to politely disagree about that. I'm neither a friend nor family member of Alexander. For that matter I'm not particularly a fan of Fangoria either, as I think it's overly commercialized and "mainstream" (don't mean to sound all hipster there). However I've heard of his films through various outlets and people that also have no familial or friendly ties to Alexander. His works are known. I'm going to politely ask that you please refrain from making comments of that nature, as they come across as attacks against Alexander and his work. It's fine and well if you don't like the man, but you shouldn't let that cloud your judgement and prejudice you against his pages here on Wikipedia. I'll just come out and say it: you sound like you have a personal grudge against Alexander for whatever reason and you're letting that rule your decision making here on Wikipedia for the most part. If you continue in this manner you run the risk of getting another block if you try to edit Alexander's article as you have been in the past. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[user talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style='color: #19197;background-color: #FFFFFF;'> (。◕‿◕。)</span>''']] 05:08, 27 January 2014 (UTC) |
*Would he be notable for his films if he wasn't an editor for Fangoria? Maybe so, maybe no. Would he have to do something else if he lost his editorial and writing jobs tomorrow? Probably. That's neither here nor there, as he has these jobs and even if he lost them tomorrow, he'd still be known for them. As for his films being only known by his friends, I'd have to politely disagree about that. I'm neither a friend nor family member of Alexander. For that matter I'm not particularly a fan of Fangoria either, as I think it's overly commercialized and "mainstream" (don't mean to sound all hipster there). However I've heard of his films through various outlets and people that also have no familial or friendly ties to Alexander. His works are known. I'm going to politely ask that you please refrain from making comments of that nature, as they come across as attacks against Alexander and his work. It's fine and well if you don't like the man, but you shouldn't let that cloud your judgement and prejudice you against his pages here on Wikipedia. I'll just come out and say it: you sound like you have a personal grudge against Alexander for whatever reason and you're letting that rule your decision making here on Wikipedia for the most part. If you continue in this manner you run the risk of getting another block if you try to edit Alexander's article as you have been in the past. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[user talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style='color: #19197;background-color: #FFFFFF;'> (。◕‿◕。)</span>''']] 05:08, 27 January 2014 (UTC) |
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::*Please, just let whatever opinion you have against Alexander go and just walk away. You don't like him- that's fine. I know others that dislike him as well. However, that shouldn't play into how you edit his article, which really comes across like you want to lessen what coverage and notability he's received. The current state of the article is fine. It isn't [[WP:PUFFERY]] nor is it unsourced. There's no reason to remove anything from here at this point in time. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[user talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style='color: #19197;background-color: #FFFFFF;'> (。◕‿◕。)</span>''']] 05:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC) |
::*Please, just let whatever opinion you have against Alexander go and just walk away. You don't like him- that's fine. I know others that dislike him as well. However, that shouldn't play into how you edit his article, which really comes across like you want to lessen what coverage and notability he's received. The current state of the article is fine. It isn't [[WP:PUFFERY]] nor is it unsourced. There's no reason to remove anything from here at this point in time. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[user talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style='color: #19197;background-color: #FFFFFF;'> (。◕‿◕。)</span>''']] 05:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC) |
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I can make the same argument against you. You seem to be a fan (or perhaps a family member) and are using your power on the Wikipedia to write an a-list article about a non a-list person because you like or love him. His movie hasn't got a whole lot of exposure and I supplied evidence to support it. Outside of the IMDB and Amazon points, whenever there was a writeup on it on various Horror sites (which will cover anything horror related) the pages never recieved any comments. It only has roughly 500 likes on Facebook, and since he has about 5,000 friends (a combo of friends and fans) you would have to assume that they are mostly his close friends that are liking the page to support him. And thats only a fraction of his overall "friend" list. Movies like his are shot on a daily basis and get released ad nausem espacially in todays day and age where anyone can make a film with digital cameras (Youtube is full of these things). Like it or not his notablity is for Fangoria. That's what he's known for. Every time I make an edit I give my reasons but you will undo them and write weak reasoning like "This deserves to be here" and then threaten me or call your administrator friends to come block me. I never once vandalized his page. I just would remove trivial info or stuff that he put up there himself. If you look at the IP number its Chris that's adding most of that stuff up there (next to you). He would even write stuff in the past such as "Chris Alexander is an award winning film director ...". He's trying to use the Wikipedia as a promotional tool. He even did that with the IMDB, since he created and edited all those pages himself. Remember you are talking about a guy who used a fake name (Ben Cortman) to write a good review about his own movie in his own magazine! Chris even did an edit over on the Fangoria page promoting the website and it was removed by an administrator as "shamelss advertisment". So again I ask that you do your job as a powerful entity on the Wikipedia and stop attacking me because I dared to edit a page that you put together with legitimate edits and stop helping your friend/family member Chris use the wikipedia as an advertisment which is not what it is intended for.[[Special:Contributions/64.230.233.196|64.230.233.196]] ([[User talk:64.230.233.196|talk]]) 16:03, 27 January 2014 (UTC) |
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Merger Proposal
Wouldn't it be better if this page was merged with the Fangoria page? Considering that the article consists of only five sentences (and most of the info in the article is trivial and could be jettisoned like writing for the Schizoid Cinephile or the Kiss concert magazine), and considering that most of the citations are simply movie reviews from horror specialty sites, I don't see why a merger wouldn't work. The article is rated "Low Importance" and the politician of the same name (who is far more notable) deserves to have his own Chris Alexander page rather than Chris Alexander (politician), I think a merger would be justified.64.230.233.197 (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
- No, Alexander is perfectly notable enough to merit his own page. I'd like to politely request that you stop trying to remove portions of the page, as the article is good as it is. Please stop blanking sections and removing bits of the article here and on other Alexander related pages. The sections have every right to be on Wikipedia. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 06:20, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- As far as moves go, that might not be a bad idea. I see that there are several Chris/Christopher Alexanders, so I think that it'd be worthwhile to create a disambiguation page for all of them with this as the target (or redirecting to the disambiguation page). In other words, create a main page for Christopher Alexander (disambiguation) and have this redirect there. From there we list the CAs and have this listed as Chris Alexander (director). Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 13:21, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
If that is the case then you have to call him either Chris Alexander (editor) or Chris Alexander (writer) and NOT Chris Alexander (director). He's only "notable" for writing and editing Fangoria. He's doesn't make a living directing movies. He does them as a side project when he has spare time on the weekends and films them with his wfie and friends. (Not even real actors who are part of any union). I don't think anyone outisde of his friends even know his film exists since it only has 63 votes on the IMDB and only 3 reviews on Amazon. If it wasn't for Fangoria and to a lesser extant that free newsoaper he writes for he would be out of a job and would need to find some other means to pay the bills, like mowing lawns and painting garages.64.230.233.196 (talk) 17:19, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- Would he be notable for his films if he wasn't an editor for Fangoria? Maybe so, maybe no. Would he have to do something else if he lost his editorial and writing jobs tomorrow? Probably. That's neither here nor there, as he has these jobs and even if he lost them tomorrow, he'd still be known for them. As for his films being only known by his friends, I'd have to politely disagree about that. I'm neither a friend nor family member of Alexander. For that matter I'm not particularly a fan of Fangoria either, as I think it's overly commercialized and "mainstream" (don't mean to sound all hipster there). However I've heard of his films through various outlets and people that also have no familial or friendly ties to Alexander. His works are known. I'm going to politely ask that you please refrain from making comments of that nature, as they come across as attacks against Alexander and his work. It's fine and well if you don't like the man, but you shouldn't let that cloud your judgement and prejudice you against his pages here on Wikipedia. I'll just come out and say it: you sound like you have a personal grudge against Alexander for whatever reason and you're letting that rule your decision making here on Wikipedia for the most part. If you continue in this manner you run the risk of getting another block if you try to edit Alexander's article as you have been in the past. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:08, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- Please, just let whatever opinion you have against Alexander go and just walk away. You don't like him- that's fine. I know others that dislike him as well. However, that shouldn't play into how you edit his article, which really comes across like you want to lessen what coverage and notability he's received. The current state of the article is fine. It isn't WP:PUFFERY nor is it unsourced. There's no reason to remove anything from here at this point in time. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I can make the same argument against you. You seem to be a fan (or perhaps a family member) and are using your power on the Wikipedia to write an a-list article about a non a-list person because you like or love him. His movie hasn't got a whole lot of exposure and I supplied evidence to support it. Outside of the IMDB and Amazon points, whenever there was a writeup on it on various Horror sites (which will cover anything horror related) the pages never recieved any comments. It only has roughly 500 likes on Facebook, and since he has about 5,000 friends (a combo of friends and fans) you would have to assume that they are mostly his close friends that are liking the page to support him. And thats only a fraction of his overall "friend" list. Movies like his are shot on a daily basis and get released ad nausem espacially in todays day and age where anyone can make a film with digital cameras (Youtube is full of these things). Like it or not his notablity is for Fangoria. That's what he's known for. Every time I make an edit I give my reasons but you will undo them and write weak reasoning like "This deserves to be here" and then threaten me or call your administrator friends to come block me. I never once vandalized his page. I just would remove trivial info or stuff that he put up there himself. If you look at the IP number its Chris that's adding most of that stuff up there (next to you). He would even write stuff in the past such as "Chris Alexander is an award winning film director ...". He's trying to use the Wikipedia as a promotional tool. He even did that with the IMDB, since he created and edited all those pages himself. Remember you are talking about a guy who used a fake name (Ben Cortman) to write a good review about his own movie in his own magazine! Chris even did an edit over on the Fangoria page promoting the website and it was removed by an administrator as "shamelss advertisment". So again I ask that you do your job as a powerful entity on the Wikipedia and stop attacking me because I dared to edit a page that you put together with legitimate edits and stop helping your friend/family member Chris use the wikipedia as an advertisment which is not what it is intended for.64.230.233.196 (talk) 16:03, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Requested move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: Moved. Chris Alexander will redirect to Christopher Alexander (disambiguation). (non-admin closure) Red Slash 01:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Chris Alexander → Chris Alexander (editor) – I've created a disambiguation page and this might be better redirected to the new disambiguation page, with the target for Alexander's page more specialized to his role as an editor. I'm good either way, really, as there will be a hatnote at the top of the article regardless of whether or not this is moved. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 13:30, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support per nom and move Chris Alexander (disambiguation) to Chris Alexander of course. Not the primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:43, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
- The only thing to be cautious of is that the main disambiguation is actually at Christopher Alexander (disambiguation), as most of the articles use the full name of Christopher, and that Chris Alexander would redirect to the disambiguation page itself rather than move the disambiguation page entirely to Chris Alexander. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 18:58, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
- support as per nom --Rushton2010 (talk) 23:33, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
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