Talk:Sarah Jane Brown

Requested move 7

• Sarah Brown → Sarah Brown (disambiguation)
• Sarah Jane Brown → Sarah Brown

– The current title at Sarah Jane Brown is problematic. To see this, type 'Sarah Jane Brown' into Google. You will see that, ignoring Wikipedia results, the subject of this article barely appears and instead the results are dominated by a not particularly well-known sculptor. This means that the name fails WP:COMMONNAME ('Wikipedia ... prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources'), WP:MIDDLES#Middle_names_and_abbreviated_names ('Adding middle names, or their abbreviations, merely for disambiguation purposes (if that format of the name is not commonly used to refer to the person) is not advised') and WP:AT ('Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject') [thank you to User:Obiwankenobi, who collected these quotations many months ago]. Instead, I propose moving the article to Sarah Brown, the common name of the subject. The article was previously hosted at 'Sarah Brown (wife of Gordon Brown)', but some users found this offensive and the article was moved to Sarah Jane Brown. At the time, 'Sarah Brown' was the name of another article: the article now placed at 'Sarah Joy Brown'. This means that the page 'Sarah Brown' is currently free as a disambiguation page. If users are concerned that readers looking for Sarah Joy Brown might simply search for Sarah Brown, then we could place a note at the top of the article. 86.137.46.209 (talk) 21:10, 20 April 2014 (UTC) 86.137.46.209 (talk) 21:10, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Support as nominator. Moving the page to Sarah Brown removes the artificially-induced problems caused by the current article name. The only possible concern is the issue of Sarah Joy Brown, but this is easily alleviated with a hatnote. 86.137.46.209 (talk) 21:10, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose per many other requested moves where this option (discussed as an alternative to those proposed options) has been explored many times in the past and found wanting. -- 65.94.77.36 (talk) 00:05, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Could you suggest here precisely why you think it wanting? Surely it must be better than using a name that nobody else uses. I will not be around after tonight for this discussion, so I apologise in advance if I do not reply. 86.137.46.209 (talk) 00:12, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose the current title is a concession to objections to Sarah Brown (wife of Gordon Brown) as the dab, in the case of an inherited notability spouse of a politician being given a standalone page rather than a paragraph in the main politician article. But the more important issue is that "Sarah Brown is" and "Sarah Brown was" show no Primary topic, therefore we cannot have a primary topic here, period. Find another way to deal with article on Gordon Brown's wife. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. Oppose. The current title has no serious problem. Sarah Jane Brown (born 1963), charity director, wife of former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, is a weakly notable figure, and there should be no surprise that excluding wikipedia generates a nearly wikipedia-notable alternative. There are too many Sarah Browns, even just in England, and so this person is not the PrimaryTopic. If there is a title problem, it is the absence of "Macaulay". --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:24, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. Just because the other relatively notable "Sarah Brown" is at Sarah Joy Brown does not mean this Sarah Brown is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Sarah Brown - she isn't. I agree the current title is problematic for the reasons states, but this is not the solution. --B2C 02:55, 21 April 2014 (UTC)