Talk:Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Pronunciation

Can someone post the phonetic spelling for pronouncing his name? -- Jevanyn 16:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Changed Ilgaukas' team and added relevant information

He signed a contract today with the Heat. Changed any relevant information and added a 'Miami Heat' section. Added references. Feel free to pick up whatever I missed. AlmightyHamSandwich (talk) 17:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 08 September 2014

Žydrūnas Ilgauskas → Zydrunas Ilgauskas – This person's common name is Zydrunas Ilgauskas in English. Any google search will tell you this. As a general rule, regardless of the original spelling of a topic we use the English spelling. From WP naming guidelines: "when deciding between versions of a word which differ in the use or non-use of modified letters, follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language." - Metal lunchbox ^(talk) 19:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Procedural close: this is another disruptive overflow from the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Lu vs. Lü in titles which relates to whether to conflate the pinyin "sixth vowel" ü into the "fifth vowel" u and is still in progress. All Lithuanian citizen bios have Lithuanian names, just like any other European bios on en.wp aren't stripped down to basic 26 letter early ASCII fonts, and per WP:CONSISTENCY there's no reason to target this particular Lithuanian. If the user wants to be a one-man re-opener of the Diacritics war then the simultaneous RM on Talk:Slobodan Milošević is a more appropriate visible place likely to attract consensus input. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

This move discussion is not related to the discussion you mention. What exactly is a "Procedural close" and why would it apply here? Please comment on this article and the move proposed above. There is no diacritics war. - Metal lunchbox ^(talk) 00:54, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

In the discussion on Lu vs. Lü User:Timmyshin correctly stated "And every single reference on the page of Žydrūnas Ilgauskas uses "Zydrunas Ilgauskas". WP:Pinyin discourages tone diacritics, not "ü", that's a different pronunciation (not tone) from "u". If you want to change MOS:CHINESE and WP:Naming conventions (Chinese) then make a case there, there is no reason to start a RM on a Lithuanian bio. The reason Timmy Shin mentioned it (correctly) is that it is typical of any European bio. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:18, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

The fact that every reference on the page uses this spelling tells me that something is probably not right. I don't follow such logic that this page some how can be used as an argument for how articles for Chinese people should be titled. That isn't how it works, and it's basically WP:Other stuff exists. I'm not proposing any such change to MOS:CHINESE, as I have already told you on a slightly more relevant talk page. I find your insistance that we discuss use of the letter "ü" in article names in a discussion spread across no less than five talk pages, confusing and distracting. Please stop. - Metal lunchbox ^(talk) 02:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• Support only if every single diacritic is eliminated from title, at least the Lithuanian ones. This is not the Chinese Lü discussion so no need to involve that to complicate matters. But nominator probably should take a look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC if he/she has not already. The diacritics supporters won, but not overwhelmingly. I think nominator probably should seek other revenues (I'm not familiar with WP bureaucracy) if he/she seeks to overturn that RFC. I personally would support any guideline that WP community comes up with after a thorough discussion, but it has to be consistent. I absolutely will oppose having a Zydrunas Ilgauskas and another Žydrūnas Urbonas just because the former played mostly in the United States and the latter didn't. Timmyshin (talk) 02:43, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for point out that page, but no one "won". It was a proposed change to the article which was closed as "no consensus", so I don't see how it overrules the words on the article it didn't change. I think this is a fine forum for discussion of the title of the article about Zydrunas Ilgauskas. - Metal lunchbox ^(talk) 02:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• You are right, I didn't really read it. But just curious, are you seeking to remove diacritics from all titles or just Ilgauskas? Timmyshin (talk) 02:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

If I were seeking to remove diacritics from all titles, this would certainly not be the place to do it. WP has no policy against diacritics and I am not looking to create one, but they are not mandatory either, see WP:DIACRITICS - Metal lunchbox ^(talk) 03:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• Support. See SI Almanac or The Official NBA Guide. I think those can be considered the top authorities when it comes to the spelling of NBA player names. La crème de la crème (talk) 06:10, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

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