User talk:Ian Rose

    Hi and welcome to Ian's Talk. Please leave new comments at the end of the page. Unless requested otherwise, I will reply to you here to keep the conversation thread in one place. Cheers, Ian.

Archives: 2006 * Jan-Jun 2007 * Jul-Dec 2007 * Jan-Jun 2008 * Jul-Dec 2008 * Jan-Jun 2009 * Jul-Dec 2009 * Jan-Jun 2010 * Jul-Dec 2010 * Jan-Jun 2011 * Jul-Dec 2011 * Jan-Jun 2012 * Jul-Dec 2012 * Jan-Jun 2013 * Jul-Dec 2013 * Jan-Jun 2014 * Jul-Dec 2014 * Jan-Jun 2015

Your GA nomination of Ragnar Garrett

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Ragnar Garrett you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 00:40, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ragnar Garrett

The article Ragnar Garrett you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ragnar Garrett for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 01:01, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Paterson Clarence Hughes

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Paterson Clarence Hughes you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cliftonian -- Cliftonian (talk) 07:00, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Passed now—well done indeed. A really fine piece of work that you should be very proud of. I hope my thoughts on the GA review page are helpful on the way to FAC. Cheers! —  Cliftonian (talk)  02:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Very much so, many thanks John! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:16, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Paterson Clarence Hughes

The article Paterson Clarence Hughes you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Paterson Clarence Hughes for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cliftonian -- Cliftonian (talk) 02:41, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Bugle

Sorry I've been absent from the Bugle for a bit. It's been a rough few months. I'll see what I can do for this month, and try to catch up any MILHIST images missed in the interim. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 12:12, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Think nothing of it, we're all volunteers here. Generally Nick has been checking on the FPs for each month and I've put the galleries together as best I can based on your previous work. Be good to have you back though! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:15, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

ACR for Oslyabya

At long last, I've been able to respond to your comments on Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Russian battleship Oslyabya. Whenever you get a chance, I'd appreciate your thoughts as to how well they satisfy.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:04, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I did see this, will have another look when I get a chance. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library needs you!

We hope The Wikipedia Library has been a useful resource for your work. TWL is expanding rapidly and we need your help!

With only a couple hours per week, you can make a big difference for sharing knowledge. Please sign up and help us in one of these ways:

• Account coordinators: help distribute free research access
• Partner coordinators: seek new donations from partners
• Communications coordinators: share updates in blogs, social media, newsletters and notices
• Technical coordinators: advise on building tools to support the library's work
• Outreach coordinators: connect to university libraries, archives, and other GLAMs
• Research coordinators: run reference services

Sign up now

Send on behalf of The Wikipedia Library using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:31, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Reg Pollard (general)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Reg Pollard (general) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of AustralianRupert -- AustralianRupert (talk) 09:20, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

April–June 2015 MilHist reviewing award

		The WikiChevrons
		For completing 16 reviews during April–June 2015, on behalf of the Wikiproject Military History coordinators, I hereby award you the WikiChevrons. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 11:53, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Tks Nikki! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:01, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Reg Pollard (general)

The article Reg Pollard (general) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Reg Pollard (general) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of AustralianRupert -- AustralianRupert (talk) 13:41, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

reviewing, etc.

Hi Ian, I've been plodding away on the assessment backlogs. Have kept the unassigned (TF) articles under control, and do a few hundred of the unassessed articles every week. auntieruth (talk) 18:14, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Tks Ruth, sounds like you could use some assistance! Perhaps Nick and I could mention something in the next Bugle... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:25, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

that would be good!  :) some of the unassessed articles have been there since 2012. auntieruth (talk) 18:29, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

and I can do what I did today (about 80-100 articles) and when I come on tomorrow or Monday, there will be 80 more added to the list. auntieruth (talk)

DVA website -- orders of battle

@AustralianRupert, Anotherclown, and Nick-D: you might already be familiar with it but I just found this useful site for establishment/disbandment dates of army and air force units while I was searching for the disbandment date of HQ RAAF North-Western Area (which wasn't explicit from the formation's ops book digitised at NAA). Nick, it looks like similar material to that monograph of units you found at AWM but this is conveniently online. Admittedly I've found a typo or two in the RAAF list but it still seems a helpful resource. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:23, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ian, I take it that you're referring to this? It does look really useful - I hadn't seen it before. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 10:00, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Heh, yes -- sorry, got distracted when posting and forgot the link... :-P Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:10, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Actually I haven't seen this before either, thanks for that - it could come in handy. Anotherclown (talk) 10:50, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that link, Ian, I also wasn't aware of it! Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 20:13, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

Paladin of Hampshire County Historic Places

Ian Rose, it is my sincere pleasure to hereby name you a Paladin of Hampshire County Historic Places in recognition of your thoughtful assistance, which resulted in the promotion of Capon Chapel to Featured Article status. This article is the first Hampshire County subject and only the sixth West Virginia-related subject to receive this status. Thank you for helping to bring awareness to Hampshire County's historic landmarks! -- West Virginian (talk) 10:59, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

All part of the FAC coord service, but thank you for the thought and congratulations on your achievement. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:08, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Central Area Command (RAAF)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Central Area Command (RAAF) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:21, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Question regarding featured article process

Hi there,

I'm hoping for a little bit of advice - I've done a fair bit of work over the years on 24 (TV series) and I'd like to nominate it for featured status. I'm aware that people should go through a peer review first, however the first one I filed a few years back didn't get any feedback, and the one I've opened recently still has none. In the past, I nominated a different article for FA, but I'm conscious of the fact that I might get yelled at/ripped to shreds for nominating right away to seek feedback. Can you give any suggestions on how I might be able to approach this? Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 06:42, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Steven, first of all, I'd hope you wouldn't get yelled at for nominating in good faith an article at FAC! I think you're doing the right thing going to peer review first though. It's true it can be frustrating waiting for comments but as it was only opened a little while ago I'd give it some more time. Have you advertised the peer review at related project talk pages? Failing that you could check recent TV show FACs or PRs and perhaps ping a few of the reviewers at those (let me know if you need help locating the FAC reviews). I could look at it myself but as I don't do much in the way of media article reviews I could really only offer points on style/expression. One thing though, just scanning the article it appeared there were one or two paragraphs (e.g. one under Design) that did not end in citations, and that's a must at FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Paterson Clarence Hughes

Thank you for helping create Wikipedia Victuallers (talk) 00:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Gateway Protection Programme FAC

Hi Ian. I saw that you archived Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Gateway Protection Programme/archive2. I haven't had this happen before (I'm inexperienced at FACs in general). No one had posted any objections to the article being promoted, and I had resolved the minor issues that had been raised. Is there anything else I could have done/can still do to improve the article's prospects of promotion, or did it just fail due to lack of interest on the part of reviewers, and that's that? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:55, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Larry. First of all, nothing's "that's that" in FAC... :-) Consensus to promote, which would involve a few more reviewers commenting and supporting, plus image licensing and source checks, didn't occur this time but could well in a future nomination. I notice you recently put it up for Peer Review, which is something I generally advise before FAC, but unfortunately had no takers. If you go there again, or re-nominate at FAC (which you can after two weeks if you wish) then you could leave neutrally worded requests for comment at related WikiProject talk pages, or selected editors' talk pages if you think they might be interested (including those who previously commented at GAN or FAC). Hope this helps. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:23, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ian, and for answering my next question, which was what I can do next. I'll do as you suggest and re-nominate it again in a few weeks. I found the peer review experience frustrating as I approach a few regular peer reviewers to ask if they would review the article, but they were either too busy or didn't reply. I'll try to be a bit more active in recruiting people to comment on the next FAC. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:36, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Central Area Command (RAAF)

The article Central Area Command (RAAF) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Central Area Command (RAAF) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Adolph Galland

Hello Ian
You reverted an edit or two I made here, but invited me to open a discussion on the matter if I wished. I have done, here, if you wish to comment further. Happy editing, Xyl 54 (talk) 20:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for opening that discussion, have replied there. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:57, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

FA criteria

Hi Ian. I am peer reviewing Palmyra and the list of rulers is mainly red links. Am I correct in thinking that this is not a problem for FA approval? Dudley Miles (talk) 09:53, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dudley, I don't recall redlinks ever having prevented promotion, do you Andy or Graham? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:23, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

No, they haven't. But if editors have the time to create stubs, this can be useful. Graham Beards (talk) 15:00, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I've seen the odd objection if the sea of red creates readability problems, but it's never been a major issue. --Laser brain (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to all. Attar-Aram syria please see. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:54, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to all and specially to you Dudley Miles. I will try to create few stubs for some of those rulers.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 20:05, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Medals

I was actually just getting around to linking medal ribbons to their articles like so:

Would the inclusion of ribbon/bars in the infobox with such linking be satisfactory? Seeing them, and having a link, is useful IMHO. Plus, with the link below to all decorations, one can find out quite easily.

Spartan7W § 00:32, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi there. Speaking as someone who's been involved in the Military History project for a long time, I can tell you that the issue of medal ribbons is a vexed one! My own opinion, which from past discussion on the MilHist talk page I know several editors share, is that we should minimise or eliminate their use in all bios. OTOH I know that many US military bios display medal ribbons, though you generally find them in a section towards the end of the article, rather than in the infobox. Unfortunately we don't exactly have a policy on it because no discussion in the past has resulted in a clear consensus. I think it's fair to say that we've generally agreed that consensus should be determined on a case-by-case basis. Patton and MacArthur went through several reviews, including Featured Article Candidature, and emerged without medal ribbons in the infobox or elsewhere in the article, and I think that should be respected. If you wanted to pursue, I'd suggest opening a talk page discussion in the MacArthur article, as that would probably attract even more comment than the Patton talk page. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:58, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I can understand why the issue would be of such contention. I do think putting ribbons in the info box, even if just for the purpose of saving space is useful. I think I'll open up a discussion and get ready for the flak. I think the collapsible lists are very prudent, because MacArthur's infobox went on for miles before. I did the same treatment + medals to Omar Bradley, with the medals linking to their respective articles; I'd ask you not revert it, as I could show an example of the usage I propose in practice (Josef Stalin is so organized as well). Spartan7W § 01:53, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

That sounds fine. As you would've gathered, I had no issue with the collapsible lists, only the icons. Anyway, Bradley is not on my watchlist (I'm assuming he hasn't been to MilHist A-Class Review or FAC) and I don't make a habit of seeking out articles from which to remove medal icons, just as I prefer others not to make a habit of adding medal icons to every article they find. Let's see what discussion throws up... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:04, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Definitely a barnstar for RAAF area commands - an amazing step forward!! Now just a few redlinks for the groups and later commands, and it could practically become History of the Structure of the RAAF..!! Buckshot06 (talk) 11:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I have to admit I'm a bit dubious about those redlinks though: I was planning to just redirect Nos. 1 and 2 Groups to Southern and Central Areas because I don't think there's much to say on them apart from what's already in the relevant area command articles. Similarly there seems to be little enough on the Training and Maintenance Groups, or on Maintenance Command, apart from establishment and disbandment dates (and not all of them either). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:18, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't fully understand. Are you saying there is not much data to add, or the data is not available? Personally I would like to see, at the minimum, fully referenced establishment and disbandment dates, higher HQs, commanders, at least one listing of units per command/group. Further down the track, activities, notable events, etc could be on the list for adding. Now I fully understand that much of this information may not be currently web-accessible. It's in the RAAF history office files, or central RAAF files. Australian National Archives may not have all of this data yet. But it's all very relevant and real: eg Maintenance Command IAF, not to mention RAF Maintenance Command etc. Australia is doing far better than the UK in going through and creating the inactive support groups and commands of the RAF/RAAF, but we shouldn't stop without the job being finished!! Buckshot06 (talk) 00:15, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Sure, it would be good to put together articles on all groups and commands, and I'd like to see that some time, but digital doco from the NAA seems to be lacking for all but No. 5 Maint Group, and I'd hope to do them both more-or-less simultaneously so I was going to wait for them to digitise No. 4 Group as well. Similarly there's naught I've found on the "extant Maintenance Group" or the Maint Command it became. Likewise in secondary sources, no doubt because the area commands were primarily operational and that's sexier for the historian... ;-) I'm just one who prefers to leave creating new articles until they can provide a decent picture, rather than stubs that might or might not get built up over time. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:05, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations!

		The Military history A-Class medal with diamonds
		On behalf of the coordinators of the Military History Wikiproject, I am pleased to award you the A-Class Medal with Diamonds for your fine work on HMS Nairana (1917), John Wilton (general), and Paterson Clarence Hughes. Keep of the good work! TomStar81 (Talk) 04:35, 22 July 2015 (UTC)