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::I have only joined this conversation to offer advice in the case of proven ''undisclosed paid advocacy editing'', which is abbreviated to UPAE. I am impartial here. The mechanism I have suggested will turn UPAE into disclosed paid advocacy editing. I make no comment on whether you have performed either or not, because I do not know. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 19:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
::I have only joined this conversation to offer advice in the case of proven ''undisclosed paid advocacy editing'', which is abbreviated to UPAE. I am impartial here. The mechanism I have suggested will turn UPAE into disclosed paid advocacy editing. I make no comment on whether you have performed either or not, because I do not know. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 19:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

:::{{Ping|Elvey}} - Cameron Herold's Tedx talk was called a "TED Talk" in Forbes [http://www.forbes.com/sites/homaycotte/2015/06/02/education-vs-entrepreneurship-which-path-wins/ Education v Entrepreneurship]. It was an honest mistake, those happen. What doesn't impress you may impress someone else. That's the nature of a crowd-sourced encyclopedia. There is a steward of the article for the wife of [[Bono]] who has been working tirelessly to make that article featured for years. She came to the teahouse looking for help ages ago so I ended up working on the article a bit. I didn't see the attraction, but we help. On the other hand, Cameron Herold gave a talk that was featured on the front page of TED's website for months and was notable, like [[Mike Rowe]] and his vocational education advocacy, for bringing something to the worldwide conversation about standardized education - which, considering the impact of Wikipedia on education - seems underserved in articles here. I know that one article has nothing to do with another, so I state this as a simple example: [[Brandon Hardesty]], who honed being a YouTube star at a grocery store has a "B class" article. Herold, who had over 1.3million views ([http://www.ted.com/talks/cameron_herold_let_s_raise_kids_to_be_entrepreneurs?language=en TEdX Talk by Cameron Herold]) doesn't. There is a notability disparity at Wikipedia between entertainers and the rest of the world and the bar does seem to get raised even higher for certain sectors. I'm stating opinion, not asking for consensus.

:::In any event, I have read up on UPAE, and it doesn't apply to me. 1) I am not editing the Wikipedia for pay (on a contract or as part of their salaried duties) and 2) nor editing the Wikipedia at the behest of someone else (a boss or client). I have disclosed the two articles that I edited on request. I have never edited other Wikipedia articles for anything more than to add information, clarity, or neutrality. I have had a COI on some of the articles I created and I am putting together a statement.

:::As to my other edits, from [[Montel Williams]] to [[Dave Scott (Triathlete)]] and [[Cory Doctorow]] all were just doing the work of being a long-time volunteer, jumping to whatever article. Every new submission I looked at, I commented or approved on merit, and I often helped clean up. Every [[WP:3O]] I worked was my honest 2 cents. For a while, I tried to steward [[Sun Myung Moon]] and [[Kathy Ireland]] against what appeared to be impassioned POV editors. I don't know what else to say; since there is no way to prove a negative, I will continue to consider my side of things, work on my statement, and let you all do what you will.[[User:EBY3221|EBY]] ([[User talk:EBY3221#top|talk]]) 01:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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Ways to improve OMID Foundations

Hi, I'm Whalestate. EBY3221, thanks for creating OMID Foundations!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. no other article links to this page

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The above is an automated message, all I wrote of the massage was < no other article links to this page > <------ isn't an automated message, I just wrote it :) Whalestate (talk) 22:59, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Whalestate, this is a non-automated message thanking you for the patrol and letting you know I x-linked with the documentary that features the charity and some of its clients. EBY (talk) 23:01, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Note that I have also included Dan Wesley and CreditLoan.com in this AFD as there are similar notability problems. In case you missed my ping, I've also commented at the conflict of interest noticeboard and would appreciate a response. Thanks SmartSE (talk) 20:52, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

SmartSE Thank you for the note. I appreciate you ensuring that I know what you've done there.

As I have had on my page for a very long time, I am a strong proponent of the "do not care so much" approach to editing Wikipedia. As such, I'm waiting until I am in exactly that state of mind. We have time. Wikipedia has no deadlines, unlike our real worlds. Here we are all volunteers and we only need give what we can spare.

This is why I responded to your speedy deletion but nothing else. I will read and respond if/when I find that rational sensibility that will serve us all. - EBY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.77.120 (talk) 21:08, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So be it but from the problems I've found it's abundantly clear that you are an undisclosed paid editor in controvention of the terms of use. If you want to carry on editing you need to disclose which articles you were paid to write. Continuing to deny it will not do you any favours. SmartSE (talk) 11:54, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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01:35:10, 22 July 2015 review of submission by Adamritter


I just did the tutorial on how to make a page and I think I have done most of it correctly! Please let me know what else I need to do.

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This user has been blocked.--Elvey(tc) 17:04, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Identifying your undisclosed paid advocacy editing (UPAE)

Edits that introduce undisclosed paid advocacy are illegal in the USA. Keeping the content you contributed, given how obvious it now is that it's largely if not entirely the result of UPAE would be aiding and abetting. So unless you can identify, article by article, what is paid and what isn't, we will need to err on the side of caution and delete most of it. Jimbo himself has said that "FTC 16 CFR Part 255 is relevant" to showing that "PAE (Paid Advocacy Editing) is flat out illegal." --Elvey(tc) 17:04, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, there is a silver lining to be sought. If we can flag articles you created that are encyclopedic but are the result of UPAE so that the advocacy is adequately disclosed, we would be able to keep them without ourselves running afoul of FTC 16 CFR Part 255. --Elvey(tc) 17:06, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A thought is for the list of those for whom you act as a paid advocate on your user page with a clear statement to that effect, and the deployment of {{Connected contributor}} with a fully populated set of parameters on the talk page of relevant articles. This has been used well by others. This is somewhat hard to achieve since I see a pink note at the head of the edit window saying you have been indeffd. Elvey may have thoughts on this. Fiddle Faddle 17:14, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Good advice. Yes, he can edit this page, I think; that's the norm and I see no indication that access to his own talk page was blocked. He could ask others to do the edit, or could ask to be unblocked for the sole purpose of deployment of {{Connected contributor}} with a fully populated set of parameters on the talk page of relevant articles he'd created. I'd support such a request. I haven't been sufficiently impressed with the users' touted contributions (on the first one I looked at, a TEDx speaker was misrepresented as a TED speaker) to do a bunch of work to save it myself.--Elvey(tc) 17:43, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Elvey: Given a good list, wikiliked to the articles worked in, and an agreed use of the CC template, something easy to do, I think there is a request page for bored AWB folk who can do amazing things with repetitive tasks on multiple articles. This need not be arduous. Fiddle Faddle 17:49, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is EBY3221. I believe I am able to respond on my talk page without violating the ban. I do not know what "UPAE" is and you didn't provide a link. I can't tell if you are threatening me or asking for cooperation. I've been an editor here for a very, very long time but this is new to me. [ (comment by User:EBY3221, logged out, 17:59, 23 July 2015 (UTC)][reply]
Hi. Yes, you can respond here, but you need to log in before doing so. Happy to respond in turn: UPAE is defined in the topic header! (Come on! Plus, google and our local search function are your friend! ) I don't mean to threaten or sound threatening. Rather, I'm trying to offer constructive advice - I'd be very upset if years of my work, which I'm proud of, was being deleted en masse - it's from a place of empathy that I offer constructive advice. Unfortunately, neither the law nor our policies allow UPAE, even if there's a 'chinese wall'. I'm hoping you'll be less upset if you understand better why some of your work is being removed, and are less upset as a result. If you want to continue to contribute to wikipedia, can you please read this in its entirety? this too? I think they'll help you understand what we mean when we write "endorsement," "promotional," and "advocacy". --Elvey(tc) 20:21, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]


I did have a COI with articles that I wrote that were absolutely people I came into contact with in my sphere (which is NOT PR in any way but writing) outside Wikipedia starting around last December, 2014. I wrote their articles using a "chinese wall" (meaning they had no input, it was what I found on the Internet). I went fanboy in my new real life position, but didn't write about non-notable people and did not, to my knowledge write promotional articles. Since I've nominated a fair number of those for deletion I thought I knew the difference. Every article that I may have had with a COI was deleted indiscriminately with every article that was non-COI, like charities and people who caught my interest and didn't have a page or was just me doing the Wikipedia work I have done for so long.
The new job position and open revelation of my Wikipedia work happened at that point. But I've been editing Wikipedia for 7-8 years and my history shows my ethics as one of the standard volunteers. From my war with the [[Kathy Ireland}} PR team to my constant struggles with the followers of Sun Myung Moon to the hundred of comments I've made helping new editors with articles.
I'm not being either stubborn or disingenuous. I will cooperate though as you may imagine, the personal attacks and assumptions combine to a position a profound frustration. I felt like someone who had earned a certain amount of respect here. My mistakes combined a witch hunt attitude have created a fair amount of antipathy.
But moving on. Let me re-iterate that I do NOT know what UPAE is . But from I was asked if I could re-write the "Lace Wig" article because it was basically a stub. Those requests come all the time, but this one came through a friend of a friend and came with an offer of dinner (we never had it). That could be considered compensation. That was a few hours research. There's a marketer name Mike Long, maybe last year, someone told me it violated WP:BLP because it was basically a hate piece. I worked on that. My edits of Ken Sunshine (which seem to have started all this) came about because I read the same articles you all did and saw his page was very PR-ish - but the COI folks already scanned through those. There were a lot of requests and recommendations made to me over the years that didn't seem notable or I wasn't interested in and I kept those in a "To Do" list on my page.
You can scan through the rest. Please do. My first major edit at Wikipedia was Mary Pope Osbourne after my child became enamored of her books. It's more than 10,000 articles. All of it good work I am proud of. I hope sense is restored to this witch hunt, soon. 2601:243:1:1F28:3CD5:8905:4137:1E39 (talk) 17:59, 23 July 2015 (UTC) (Note: this is User EBY3221, logged out.)[reply]
I have only joined this conversation to offer advice in the case of proven undisclosed paid advocacy editing, which is abbreviated to UPAE. I am impartial here. The mechanism I have suggested will turn UPAE into disclosed paid advocacy editing. I make no comment on whether you have performed either or not, because I do not know. Fiddle Faddle 19:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Elvey: - Cameron Herold's Tedx talk was called a "TED Talk" in Forbes Education v Entrepreneurship. It was an honest mistake, those happen. What doesn't impress you may impress someone else. That's the nature of a crowd-sourced encyclopedia. There is a steward of the article for the wife of Bono who has been working tirelessly to make that article featured for years. She came to the teahouse looking for help ages ago so I ended up working on the article a bit. I didn't see the attraction, but we help. On the other hand, Cameron Herold gave a talk that was featured on the front page of TED's website for months and was notable, like Mike Rowe and his vocational education advocacy, for bringing something to the worldwide conversation about standardized education - which, considering the impact of Wikipedia on education - seems underserved in articles here. I know that one article has nothing to do with another, so I state this as a simple example: Brandon Hardesty, who honed being a YouTube star at a grocery store has a "B class" article. Herold, who had over 1.3million views (TEdX Talk by Cameron Herold) doesn't. There is a notability disparity at Wikipedia between entertainers and the rest of the world and the bar does seem to get raised even higher for certain sectors. I'm stating opinion, not asking for consensus.
In any event, I have read up on UPAE, and it doesn't apply to me. 1) I am not editing the Wikipedia for pay (on a contract or as part of their salaried duties) and 2) nor editing the Wikipedia at the behest of someone else (a boss or client). I have disclosed the two articles that I edited on request. I have never edited other Wikipedia articles for anything more than to add information, clarity, or neutrality. I have had a COI on some of the articles I created and I am putting together a statement.
As to my other edits, from Montel Williams to Dave Scott (Triathlete) and Cory Doctorow all were just doing the work of being a long-time volunteer, jumping to whatever article. Every new submission I looked at, I commented or approved on merit, and I often helped clean up. Every WP:3O I worked was my honest 2 cents. For a while, I tried to steward Sun Myung Moon and Kathy Ireland against what appeared to be impassioned POV editors. I don't know what else to say; since there is no way to prove a negative, I will continue to consider my side of things, work on my statement, and let you all do what you will.EBY (talk) 01:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]