Talk:One Piece

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2018

Add all of the following. One Piece takes place around the year 1522 (Revealed in the Skypiea arc). Monkey D. Luffy is the first and only pirate in existence to ever enter and escape the top 3 government facilities (Enies Lobby, Impel Down, Marineford) alive. Luffy was the first anime character to appear on the cover of a Japanese fashion magazine. 76.173.176.14 (talk) 03:02, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

The latter two edits might be more suitable for Monkey D. Luffy, but the former can be added if there is reliable source supporting it. TheSpacialist (talk) 10:56, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

They all need sources.★Trekker (talk) 15:46, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 17:52, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Date of anniversary: July 19 or July 22

Many friends told me it was the 21st anniversary of the series, so I came to check and saw the "July 22" date. Then I found this link (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/12/02-1/one-piece-has-big-plans-for-2017s-20th-anniversary) that says the anniversary was in fact in 19 July. When I was going to edit this wikipedia page, I saw the message asking to talk about ir here in the talk page before changing the date. So, why wikipedia says the date is 22 July? Paladinum2 (talk) 22:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

"Plot summary" section removed

A few days ago I added a brisk (for such a lengthy series at least) plot summary of the series, so that the article matches up with other manga series such as Naruto, Dragon Ball and Bleach, all of which have summaries in their article body. However, that edit was blanket-undone with no discussion despite being performed in good faith and to coincide with other articles. There is a "premise" section of the article that gives a barebones account of the protagonists, but that simply is not sufficient as it doesn't cover the main events of the story. I would like to hear any arguments for why this article should lack a plot summary while other manga do not; otherwise I intend to add the deleted material back. Buh6173 (talk) 22:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Weren't you discussing that with another editor by any chance? While a summary might be needed, its weight might be overthetop considering how many story arcs does this series have and it still hasn't even reached a climax. This might fall under the category of WP:Undue weight but the chapter list of the series has the summary of each manga volume.Tintor2 (talk) 23:02, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

If you read my summary, you'd see that I made an effort to keep it lean so as to not bog down the article, trimming drastically for brevity's sake. If you wish to trim it down further, that is acceptable, but outright deleting it is not. And you could say I was "discussing" it with another editor, though rather they simply deleted everything I wrote, which took me a good half hour or so. Buh6173 (talk) 23:07, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. The editor was me. See their talk page for the discussion. I listed my reasons there why I oppose the idea. -- 1989 (talk) 23:40, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

I specifically directed discussion here, to where it belongs. Buh6173 (talk) 23:47, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Not a big expert on One Piece but I know there are arcs where some members leave the group and later reunite. If the article is lacking something important then it might be added but I don't think we should add every single story arc. Maybe something about why the entire gang split prior to Ace's execution and some overall progress the Straw Hat made. Imagine if in Hajime no Ippo or Case Closed's plot summaries we had to talk about every single arc.Tintor2 (talk) 23:51, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Please read my summary which was cut. It doesn't cover every story arc in detail, but instead gives a broad overview of the series. Buh6173 (talk) 23:54, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

So any actual insight on the summary I wrote? Again, I'm okay with trimming it down, but leaving it out altogether is an unacceptable option. Buh6173 (talk) 18:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

This is definitely an issue of undue weight. I noticed you mentioned Bleach and Dragon Ball as examples. If Bleach had as much arcs as One Piece did, the value and significance of each story arc will be diluted, making it unnecessary to be mentioned in a plot summary to the point only the first and last story arcs would be mentioned. The Dragon Ball one is the same, but it is very well written and is only about 700 words and very concise (While the one piece summary is about 2000 words). Currently, I would give One Piece the same treatment as The High School Irregular article and stick with a premise. If the High School irregular series ever ends, I would then rewrite the summary in a way to ensure the general audience understand what led to the final arc. On the side, I would trim down on the settings and possibly remove the Haki section if it was me. D.Zero (Talk · Contribs) 00:03, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with using the one example you provided as a basis. Every other Shonen series I've seen has had a basic synopsis in its body; One Piece should be no different, even if simplified.

How's this? Sawed down to 1300 words.

22 years prior to the start of the series, legendary pirate Gol D. Roger was sentenced to execution, but not before challenging people across the world to find his great treasure, One Piece. This caused a surge of pirates to sail out in search of his treasure, resulting in the Great Pirate Era.

12 years later, a young Monkey D. Luffy accidentally eats a Devil Fruit, the Gum-Gum Fruit, which gives him the physical properties of rubber while rendering him unable to swim. His childhood idol, Shanks, gives his straw hat to Luffy and inspires him to one day become the Pirate King and find One Piece.

7 years after Shanks' departure, the 17-year old Luffy leaves his island to gather a crew and enter the Grand Line. During his travels he meets and recruits swordsman Ronoroa Zoro, navigator Nami, marksman Usopp and chef Sanji. With Going Merry, a ship provided to the crew by Usopp's friend, the group sails into the Grand Line.

The crew meets Vivi, the young princess of the nation of Alabasta who is being hunted by the underground organization of assassins known as Baroque Works lead by Sir Crocodile. Escorting her to Alabasta, the crew recruits an intelligent shapeshifting reindeer named Tony Tony Chopper who serves as their doctor. At Alabasta, Luffy defeats Crocodile. While Luffy wishes for Vivi to join the crew, Vivi stays behind for the sake of her country. Crocodile's former second-in-command, Nico Robin, sneaks onto Luffy's ship as his crew departs and requests to join the crew, which Luffy casually accepts.

The crew then ascend into the sky by riding an explosive current called the Knock-Up Stream. They travel to a land in the clouds called Skypiea but are swiftly branded as outlaws for illegal entry and are sentenced to death by the island's "god", Enel. While the crew explores Skypiea in search of treasure, a war breaks out between the native Shandians and Enel's forces, with the Straw Hats caught in the middle. Luffy defeats Enel, whose electric abilities don't affect Luffy's rubber body. Taking as much gold as they can carry, the crew depart Skypiea and return to the ocean below.

The Straw Hats next arrive in the floating city of Water 7, a shipwright town where they hope they can find someone to repair and maintain the Going Merry. Their money is stolen by the Franky Family criminal gang; the Straw Hats defeat the Family, but their leader, Franky, escapes with the stolen money. Usopp furiously leaves the crew after Luffy decides to buy a new ship. A secret Government organization, CP9, captures Usopp, Franky and Robin to bring them to Enies Lobby, a judicial island. The Straw Hats travel to Enies Lobby and barely manage to defeat CP9 and reunite with the others. They escape Enies Lobby thanks to the sudden appearance of the Going Merry. However, the Merry falls apart shortly after their escape, so Luffy sets the ship ablaze. With the money he had stolen, Franky builds the crew a new ship, the Thousand Sunny. Luffy goads Franky into joining his crew as his shipwright, and he accepts Usopp back into his crew after Usopp apologizes for his actions.

The crew then arrive at Thriller Bark, a massive ship the size of an island. They meet Brook, a skeleton musician who Luffy asks to join his crew. After the group defeats Gecko Moria, the master of Thriller Bark, Brook joins his crew and they travel to Sabaody Archipelago to find someone who can help their ship travel underwater. However, a massive battle breaks out and Luffy and his crew are completely overpowered and sent flying to opposite ends of the world. Luffy arrives at Amazon Lily where he learns that his brother, Portgas D. Ace, is slated for execution. He sneaks into Impel Down, an underwater prison where Ace is being held. He misses Ace as he's removed to be executed at Marineford, the headquarters of the Marines. Luffy, a makeshift crew of imprisoned villains, and the fishman Jinbe escape Impel Down and travel to Marineford. There, Ace's father is revealed to be Gol D. Roger. His crew, led by the aging Whitebeard, and the Marines engage in a massive war, which Luffy and his allies eventually join. Luffy frees Ace, but Admiral Akainu lands a fatal blow, causing Ace to die in Luffy's arms. Jinbe manages to escape with the comatose Luffy in tow. Luffy awakens two weeks after the war's conclusion, and rather than attempt to reunite with his crew, he uses a secret message in the newspaper to instruct them to train for two years.

Two years later, the crew reconvene at Sabaody Archipelago and set sail underwater to Fishman Island. When they arrive, they are caught up in an attempted coup by the fishman Hody Jones, though the Straw Hats defeat Hody and his crew. They then return to the surface on the other side of the Red Line, entering the second half of the Grand Line known as the "New World". They arrive at the island Punk Hazard, where they defeat and capture the mad scientist Caesar Clown. The Straw Hats, Caesar and Trafalgar Law travel to Doflamingo's home, Dressrosa, where a massive country-wide battle takes place that concludes with Luffy and his crew defeating Doflamingo's forces. The crew then reaches Wano, where they and their samurai allies intend to depose the current unrightful rulers.

Buh6173 (talk) 17:57, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Per everyone above, this is undue weight. By the time the manga ends, this will be much longer. There is already a "basic synopsis" in the Premise section. What you call above a "basic synopsis" is a Plot section. -- 1989 (talk) 23:08, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

First off, the manga is 3/4 done. So it wouldn't be much longer. Second, as I apparently keep having to say, the premise is not sufficient as the plot. And call me crazy, but the classification for undue weight seems to be in regards to opinion, when this is a factual synopsis. If you're going to axe a synopsis for this manga, might as well axe it on every other manga page; there's no reason whatsoever this series should be exempt. Buh6173 (talk) 17:57, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

I was told to bring this to talk to discuss the issue, and thus far the issue has not been discussed. So far the only argument has been "undue weight", which as I've already explained doesn't apply, and it makes no sense for this one series to be exempt when any other manga series is going to have a plot synopsis. I'll trim it down, but if there's no further feedback, I'm putting the synopsis back up. Buh6173 (talk) 19:30, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

There is no consensus to put back the section that was removed. If you readd the section, it will be removed again per this discussion. -- 1989 (talk) 02:24, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

And there has been no consensus to remove it altogether, either. You can't say "take it to talk" and then expect me to sit with my hands under my seat due to abject silence Buh6173 (talk) 03:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

There is consensus that it is not needed right now, so the "abject silence" claim is false. So don't expect it staying if you readd it. -- 1989 (talk) 05:40, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

The "consensus" is you. Of the two other people who commented, both said "the current synopsis is too long, but if it were shortened it could work", which is what I aim to do. Buh6173 (talk) 00:52, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

No one here except you objected my revert, nor did they agree with your point of view. All of us except you says the section is undue weight, and should stick to the premise. There is no consensus here to support your wishes. Don’t waste having your edit reverted again and reported for disruptive editing. -- 1989 (talk) 01:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm not certain what discussion you're reading, because as far as I can tell, so long as the word count is kept in check along the likes of Dragon Ball, there should be no issue. And I repeat, I fail to understand how this classifies for undue weight when, as far as I can tell, undue weight applies to opinion, when this is factual information bout the series. Buh6173 (talk) 10:31, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Undue weight means the more significant something is (to the general audience), the more coverage it gets in terms of content;having so much story arcs have already diminished most of the plot points of the series (Unlike DBZ or other Shonens). I follow One Piece, and I know the premise covers all the important plot points already. A Good Article needs to keep this kind of thing in mind. For this article, once ONe Piece ends, it may receive a rewrite to include plot points that are part of the big picture. One of my examples would be Tales of Symphonia, this was at least a 50-60 hour game with lots of story arcs that I have cut out to include only the events that are noteworthy to the general audience. I've skimmed your summary in the discussion, and it has all these trivia plots and in-universe terms that are important to fans of the series but just a fluff piece to the g-a.D.Zero (Talk · Contribs) 23:54, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

While One Piece does have many story arcs, they tie together into larger "sagas", not unlike Dragon Ball or other Shonens (Dragon Ball divides its "Frieza Saga" into a "Namek Saga", a "Captain Ginyu Saga", and a "Frieza Saga" for example). One Piece behaves in the same way, with larger story beats that can be broken down into smaller ones. All the premise covers is naming each of the main characters, which is simply not sufficient, and honestly would serve better being folded into this summary. I edited the summary above down to 900 words in an attempt to hack away at the "fluff piece" sections to keep it critical information. Please check again and see if that's satisfactory. Buh6173 (talk) 18:34, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

The length of the synopsis has been cut down to the same length as the likes of Dragon Ball and Naruto. Unless actual arguments can be made against implementing the reduced synopsis outside of "undue weight" (which again does not specifically apply to this singular series), then I will be adding the shortened synopsis to the article.Buh6173 (talk) 17:43, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Which will get longer and longer as time goes by. Doesn't solve that issue. Instead of waiting until the series is over like DragonZero said, they rather keep going with this, knowing they'll be reverted again. -- 1989 (talk) 20:10, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey Buh, I am very knowledgeable about One Piece, Dragon Ball, and Naruto. I've also been here and done enough to know how this should be viewed and written for the general audience. You can not use silence as an agreement to your actions, as editors are free to pop in and out of discussions as they please. Likewise, nothing is completely binding against your actions right now either; but at some point, this looks like it'll be heading in a direction requiring some binding resolution since this has gone on for far too long. As far as I can tell, if it heads that way, it would probably not work in your favor as it will most likely be a straw vote; you can not convince everyone to look at your way and prob them to continue discussing forever. I won't be able to agree with your additions (though I won't go out of my way to revert), and if I were working on this article, I'd be removing more of the Synopsis rather than adding on. D.Zero (Talk · Contribs) 02:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Then in the very least it would be wise to retool what we currently have. A synopsis of the plot is apparently out of hand, but instead we can go at length about what the Grand Line and Red Line and Log Poses and Haki is? It makes no sense whatsoever the way it's currently structured. Oh, and 1989, the only one who's arguing in favor of reversions is you; DragonZero is at least trying to figure out a compromise.Buh6173 (talk) 17:29, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

What compromise? They disagree with your additions as well, and I or someone else will go out on our way to revert per this discussion if you continue to play dumb and add the section anyway. -- 1989 (talk) 17:37, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Again, DragonZero seems pretty neutral on the matter (not in favor, but wouldn't revert). You're the only one who is actively trying to shoot this down. If you want to put it to a vote, then that's fine. Because whether or not a synopsis is added or the summary is retooled, the page in its current state is utterly unacceptable. So far only four people appear to have chimed in: me (either add a synopsis or rework existing), you (leave alone), DragonZero (rework or leave alone) and Tintor (rework or leave alone). Not exactly an overwhelming majority. Buh6173 (talk) 21:00, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Buh6173, I don't have an active interest in One Piece, but since I was the one to review it at GAN and I was called in by Ryūkotsuseito comment on this, I will. I have to say, looking at the version posted in earlier edits and the one above, that a plot summery at this time would be far too bloated as we've no way of knowing how much of the plot is actually relevant to the overall narrative. The one presented at present is hideously bloated. If I were reviewing the article in that state, I'd be taking serious issue with the size and readability of the summary, and as for either its removal or substantial trimming. More likely the former. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:26, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Except if you look at the current information on the page, it's got paragraph after paragraph of granular information rather than crucial, significant information, the exact thing that used for ammo as to why a synopsis would be bad. Buh6173 (talk) 19:22, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Stuff that has to urgently be done on the article.

1. Reorganize and expand the entire One Piece Wikipedia article to its maximum.
2. Change profile picture into first volume cover.
3. Add a “Plot” section.
4. Add a “References of the series” section.
5. Add a “Interviews of Eiichiro Oda regarding the series” section.
6. Unlink all links of the races because they take you to one that has nothing to do with the race that appears in the series.
7. Add more races. Check Sanji’s paper.
8. Change the “dwarves” mention into “Little People” and “Pirate King” into “King of the Pirates”.
9. Update the number of chapters and volumes.
10. Add the Poneglyff, Log Pose, Dial, Transponder Snail and Sea-Prism Stone mentions to the setting section.
11. Add One Piece Magazine, One Pace, Tokyo One Piece Tower, Ace Novel, Chin Piece, One Piece Doors! real life sized Going Merry, Thousand Sunny, Ace and Whitebeard graves information.
12. Add this information: Monkey D. Luffy’s catchphrase of the entire series is: “I’m going to become the King of the Pirates!”
13. Consider the article a featured article.

I'm not asking politely to do this. This HAS TO BE DONE.