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== RfC on if separation from spouse should be noted in infobox ==
== RfC on if separation from spouse should be noted in infobox ==
{{closed rfc top|result= Consensus was reached not to note the separation in the infobox. [[User:Abbyjjjj96|Abbyjjjj96]] ([[User talk:Abbyjjjj96|talk]]) 14:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC) }}

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Christina Ricci has filed for divorce from her husband. Should the 'spouse' parameter in the infobox say they are separated? [[User:Abbyjjjj96|Abbyjjjj96]] ([[User talk:Abbyjjjj96|talk]]) 15:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Christina Ricci has filed for divorce from her husband. Should the 'spouse' parameter in the infobox say they are separated? [[User:Abbyjjjj96|Abbyjjjj96]] ([[User talk:Abbyjjjj96|talk]]) 15:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


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*'''Exclude''' - if there is a ''legal separation'' my answer would perhaps be different. But as noted, she filed for divorce - the effect is not a legal separation - there is some legal effect to filing for divorce, but until it is finalized, it does not have the same effect as a legal separation. We can assume they are not seeing each other, but that is not the same as a legal separation, and we can't base content on assumptions. Ultimately, an infobox provides a quick glance at the facts - it is not meant to discuss nuances such as de facto separations and divorce filings. Once the divorce is official and attested to in reliable sources, that can be added. There's ultimately no rush to have up-to-the-minute info on Ricci's love life. Right now it shows they married in 2013 - which is true. A divorce does not change that fact. [[User:El cid, el campeador|<span style="color:black">'''‡ Єl Cid of Valencia'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:el cid, el campeador|<span style="color:teal">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
*'''Exclude''' - if there is a ''legal separation'' my answer would perhaps be different. But as noted, she filed for divorce - the effect is not a legal separation - there is some legal effect to filing for divorce, but until it is finalized, it does not have the same effect as a legal separation. We can assume they are not seeing each other, but that is not the same as a legal separation, and we can't base content on assumptions. Ultimately, an infobox provides a quick glance at the facts - it is not meant to discuss nuances such as de facto separations and divorce filings. Once the divorce is official and attested to in reliable sources, that can be added. There's ultimately no rush to have up-to-the-minute info on Ricci's love life. Right now it shows they married in 2013 - which is true. A divorce does not change that fact. [[User:El cid, el campeador|<span style="color:black">'''‡ Єl Cid of Valencia'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:el cid, el campeador|<span style="color:teal">talk</span>]]</sup> 18:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
*'''No''' Unless the article describes the situation as such. Otherwise it is complete [[WP:OR]]. [[User:Lorstaking|Lorstaking]] 15:02, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
*'''No''' Unless the article describes the situation as such. Otherwise it is complete [[WP:OR]]. [[User:Lorstaking|Lorstaking]] 15:02, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
{{closed rfc bottom}}

Revision as of 14:12, 19 August 2020

Error in Early work section

"... discovered Ricci at age eight in a school play ... After this, she did several commercials starting at the age of six."

Can't both be correct. The second claim is not referenced. Huw Powell (talk) 00:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New Lizzie Borden Movie

Why is there no mention that Ricci is staring in the upcoming Lifetime movie Lizzie Borden Took An Ax? --Matt723star (talk) 15:25, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why haven't you added it? - SummerPhD (talk) 16:37, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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RfC on if separation from spouse should be noted in infobox

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Consensus was reached not to note the separation in the infobox. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 14:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Christina Ricci has filed for divorce from her husband. Should the 'spouse' parameter in the infobox say they are separated? Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 15:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • No: Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes, "An infobox is ... that summarizes key features of the page's subject." I would not consider someone's intermediary relationship info to be a "key feature" about a person. Normal Op (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: The information is already in the body of the article where it can be found by any reader. Also, California divorces have a 6 month waiting period, so even if everything is decided upon, they're separated, etc. a divorce won't come final for six months. And you may not get a news release about it because that's just a rubber stamp by the court after the six month period. Therefore, the information in the wiki article could easily remain in "separated" status long after the divorce is final. No, don't put anything in the infobox. Normal Op (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But, following that reasoning, if you don't note the separation there then the infobox would state that they are still married long after the divorce is final. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 17:05, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Facepalm Facepalm Oh geez, really? You remove any "married" marker (which was never in Ricci's infobox anyway). It's not a required infobox parameter. Normal Op (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC) Added: Just remove the spouse information. Normal Op (talk) 19:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • No: Nowhere in the article is it stated (much less sourced) that Ricci and husband are "separated". "Filed for divorce" and "separated" have different meanings in English. To conclude that "filed for divorce" means "separated" is a synthesized conclusion that is not in the sources; see WP:SYNTH: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." (bold added) Wikipedia is not a newspaper; we can wait for a reliable source or wait until the divorce is finalized. And it is absurd to argue that "the infobox would state that they are still married long after the divorce is final"; that is obvious nonsense. Whey they officially divorce, then "divorce" can go in the infobox. Sundayclose (talk) 17:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's not an absurd argument. Normal Op suggested that putting separated in the infobox would mean the article could continue to say separated long after the divorce was final. My comment followed their logic. Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 17:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Exclude - if there is a legal separation my answer would perhaps be different. But as noted, she filed for divorce - the effect is not a legal separation - there is some legal effect to filing for divorce, but until it is finalized, it does not have the same effect as a legal separation. We can assume they are not seeing each other, but that is not the same as a legal separation, and we can't base content on assumptions. Ultimately, an infobox provides a quick glance at the facts - it is not meant to discuss nuances such as de facto separations and divorce filings. Once the divorce is official and attested to in reliable sources, that can be added. There's ultimately no rush to have up-to-the-minute info on Ricci's love life. Right now it shows they married in 2013 - which is true. A divorce does not change that fact. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 18:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • No Unless the article describes the situation as such. Otherwise it is complete WP:OR. Lorstaking 15:02, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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