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Discussion Page Sailing at the .... Summer Olympics

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Sailing at the 1972 Summer Olympics

- Finn was for Men only, not Mixed. (Events to be updated). - Perhaps useful to say that 1972 Olympics were the fist time with all boats "One design". (But, if comments take place in the main article only, forget it !) --Barbetorte (talk) 06:46, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

• I will mention the one design in the 1972 page. Thanks for the idea.
• On the men only. Are you sure about that? I know the facts for the whole sailing in 1972 was men only. But was it really restricted. I can not find that in the official reports or in my memory. I know that as a girl you are not in the right state of mind try to sail the heavy Finn at Olympic level but was it prohibitat? As far as I know all (sailing) Olympics up to 1988 were gender independent. Also on some websites there was som retro enginering done to bring the past more in line with the present:-). Please help me to find the right answer? Regards NED33 (talk) 08:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I (in french Wikipedia somebody else noted it) found that in ISAF site. It looks like an exception. --Barbetorte (talk) 09:34, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I keep looking. In other archieves as well.NED33 (talk) 12:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

The officiel report of the German Olympic committee showes the gender in the results of all sports. At sailing there is no mentioning of gender specificness in the classes. I propose to keep it as it is. Okay?NED33 (talk) 09:42, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Development sections

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Please do NOT edit them.

Medal summary

Event	Gold	Silver	Bronze
12 Foot Dinghy:	Sweden (SWE)	Norway (NOR)	Finland (FIN)
6 Metre:	Norway (NOR)	Denmark (DEN)	Estonia (EST)
8 Metre:	France (FRA)	Netherlands (NED)	Sweden (SWE)

Medal tables

Sailing 1972

1	Australia (AUS)	2	0	0	2
2	France (FRA)	1	1	0	2
	Great Britain (GBR)	1	1	0	2
4	United States (USA)	1	0	2	3
5	Soviet Union (URS)	1	0	1	2
6	Sweden (SWE)	0	2	0	2
7	East Germany (GDR)	0	1	0	1
	Greece (GRE)	0	1	0	1
9	West Germany (FRG)	0	0	2	2
10	Canada (CAN)	0	0	1	1
Total		6	6	6	18

Remarks

Sailors

During the Sailing regatta's at the 1972 Summer Olympics among others the following persons were competing in the various classes:

• Royalties
  •  Thailand (THA), Prince of Thailand, Prinz Bhanubanda Bira in the Tempest
  •  Norway (NOR), King of Norway, HrH Crownprince Harald in the Soling
  •  Spain (ESP), King of Spain, Sar Juan Carlos de Borbon in the Dragon
• Sportmanagers
  •  Belgium (BEL), President International Olympic Committee, Jacques Rogge in the Finn
  •  Finland (FIN), Past president International Sailing Federation, Peter Tallberg in the Soling
• First non American winner of the America's Cup
  •  Australia (AUS), John Bertrand in the Finn

Sailors at the 1972 Olympic Games

• 
  In Finn:
  Jacques Rogge
• 
  In Finn:
  John Bertrand
• In Tempest: Prinz Bhanubanda Bira
  In Tempest:
  Prinz Bhanubanda Bira
• 
  In Soling:
  Harald V of Norway
• 
  In Dragon:
  Juan Carlos I of Spain

Trivia

• This Olympic sailing event was gender independent, but tuned out to be a Mens only event. This was one of the triggers to create gender specific events. This however had to wait until 1988.
• Some sources state the Finn event as a designated men only event. The Official report of the games does not mention this gender specific discriminator,
• It was the first Olympic sailing contest were only "One Design" classes were used. Also non of the classes was "owned by one builder". In general more that one builder was allowed. (The boats had to apply to what we now call open standards).
• Paul Elvstrøm was trying to win his fifth Gold medal. He left the games however premature. Assumed is that the media pressure became too high at that moment. Paul took revenge by sailing two times more at the Olympics (1984 and 1988) in the Tornado. One of Paul's crewmembers from the Soling took the gold later. Valdemar Bandolowski together with 1972 Dragon helmsman Poul Richard Høj Jensen won the Gold in the Soling class in 1976 and 1980.
• Although favourable wind conditions in September were predicted. Some of the races suffered from lack of wind. In the Soling and Dragon only 6 races could be completed and the 6^th race in the Finn only three contenders were able to finish in time.

References

• (ed.) Kunze, Herbert (1974). The official report of the Organizing Committee for the Games of the XXth Olympiad Munich 1972, Volume 3 The competitions (PDF). Munich: proSport. p. 505. Retrieved 2010-05-25. {{cite book}}: |author= has generic name (help)
• "Amsterdam 1928". Olympics.com. International Olympic Committee.

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Please get consensus for your changes

You seem to be using your talk page as a sandbox, but this is still the best place for me to contact you, I presume.
Please seek consensus from WP:WikiProject Olympics before making changes to the Olympic sailing articles. You are attempting to change the common style in use for hundreds of articles, and you are not following the MOS. We appreciate the help of having a new editor add to these articles, but please do not create excessive cleanup work by not conforming to the standard style. Thanks — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 15:54, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I see some of the new 1972 per-event pages you've created, and they look good, but they still need a bit of work. I will make a series of edits to Sailing at the 1972 Summer Olympics – Finn with detailed edit summaries, as I think this might be the best way for me to list the style changes. Let me know if you have any questions. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:23, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'm looking much forward to the changes. As you probably understand I found in the last year severe shortcomings, incompleatness and errors in the Olympic Sailing History. I collected reasonable amount of documentations and talked with Sailors who went to Olymics since 1960. I'm working with user: Barbetorte as soundingboard. Furthermore I also place a note on the Discussion page of a artickle on Sailing at the .... Summer Olympics. Thanks again for your remarks and help. NED33 (talk) 16:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I think I'm done with the 1972 Finn page, if you want to use that as an example for the others. Thanks — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:35, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Drawings of sailboats at Olympics

Hi. I just added File:12mR 1907.svg. You can use this drawing for 12mR from 1907 to ...1927, as gaff rig was in use up to 1928, when Marconi rig replaced gaff rig. I will draw files for 6mR and 8mR, but I think 2 versions of each. Regards, --Barbetorte (talk) 20:07, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, besides your skills what tools do you use to create thes drawings? NED33 (talk) 07:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Inkscape, free and no cost. It is easy to download in few minutes from his web site and easy to use. 99% of svg (vector drawings) on CC are made with Inkscape. You can inport a bitmap drawing and draw lines on it, save it as svg (even with bitmap included) and after (always) remove the bitmap base, only keeping the vectors. I think your first training will be to move your Soling bitmap drawing into a svg file ! You can load my svg drawing about Olympic 1972 classes, and load your bitmap drawing on the same page, and just keep the Soling drawing you want ...Bonne chance, I remember the beginning was the worst time, sometimes texts are annoying ! Dont forget to test your svg drawing on your own PC by loading your file on your web browser, without Inkscape. --Barbetorte (talk) 10:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice one of 1924. I have tried with inkscape but no publischable results yet. How do you like the upgraded articles sofar? Final question of today: A Louis Bréguet was the helmsmen of the French 8 Metre in the Olympic sailing regattas of 1924. Is this the same person as the aircraft engineer? I made the assumpition yes since he is born in the same year and you need to be welthy enough to sail the 8 Metre:-). Talk to you soon. NED33 (talk) 19:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of List of Sailors at the Summer Olympics

I have nominated List of Sailors at the Summer Olympics, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Sailors at the Summer Olympics. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

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