Talk:Sushant Singh Rajput

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• Why are you saying it's suicide? The investigation is ongoing!

Various credible secondary sources - in this case, mainstream news outlets - reported that Mumbai's and the AIIMS' medical examiners determined it was suicide and that Rhea Chakraborty is being accused of abetment of suicide. Note that the final determination of death doesn't mean the investigation is over, especially in a case involving a celebrity (see also Chris Benoit double-murder and suicide). We are also not allowed to cite investigation or government documents as they are considered primary sources.

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• This death is mysterious! Why aren't you calling it as such?

The actual mechanism of death - asphyxia via hanging - is publicly known and not seriously disputed by any sensible party. We also do not use words or terms that imply profoundness where there is only vagueness in Wikipedia's voice - they must always be attributed.

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• This is a case of murder! Why aren't you saying so?

No official investigations or credible news reports are calling Rajput's death a murder, with the CBI-sanctioned AIIMS autopsy review definitively ruling it out. Wikipedia does not include fringe or conspiracy theories that no credible source is taking seriously, and our biographical policy likewise forbids us from including them in this particular instance.

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• Why are you rejecting my interpretation of the sources?

We're not allowed to synthesize new information by "reading between the lines". We are limited to whatever information the source explicitly says. Creative interpretations of sources also flagrantly violate our biographical policy.

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• The Central Bureau of Investigation said (something)! Why aren't you mentioning this?!

The CBI has outright stated that they are not shar[ing] any details of the investigation with the media and that any claims attributed to it (As of the time of this writing, 19 September 2020 UTC) are not credible. It should be noted this is generally standard operating procedure for serious investigations the world over, generally to avoid prejudicing the case before it goes to a jury or (as has happened here) inflaming a trial by media.

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• Why are you censoring his height?

Unless a person is notable specifically for their height or their height is otherwise relevant (such as for sports where height/weight is a major factor), Wikipedia's policy is to omit height from a person's article and infoboxes. Sushant Singh Rajput's article is no exception; the only time height was ever mentioned in the article was either as the result of unsourced edits prior to the announcement of his death or additions made immediately after the news broke on social media, all instances of which were reverted quickly on the English-language Wikipedia for having no source and which would shortly after be removed from the article on Hindi Wikipedia for the same reason. See Talk:Sushant_Singh_Rajput/Archive_1#Height for more details.

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• If the news of Rajput's demise broke around 2:15 p.m. then why did the article have death info around 9 am?

The confusion here is of time zones. News broke around 2:15 p.m. IST. Wikipedia shows timestamps in UTC. IST is 5 hour 30 minutes ahead of UTC. Death info first appeared in article at 8:55 UTC (this edit) which means at 14:25 IST (2:25 p.m.)

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• What about Sushant's sister Priyanka? Doesn't she get a say in this?

Unless she (or one of her supporters) has additional sources that can back up her assertions, no. It should be noted that Priyanka is herself the subject of an FIR in connection with the case.

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• Why are you rejecting my edit request out of hand?

When someone requests an edit that is very likely to be challenged, they are required to provide links to credible published secondary sources that support the edit they wish to make. In addition, requests to make edits against a consensus or that are part of an ongoing dispute will generally be declined.

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 March 2021

You can add the fact his performance in Dil Bechara got a posthumous nomination for the Filmfare Award for Best Actor Correctoryamum (talk) 11:34, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Please provide sourcing. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 May 2021

Change the cause of death from suicide by hanging to death under investigation as CBI has not officially declared anything . You can further verify this by visiting CBI website or by coroborrating with the letter sent by CBI to Dr Subramanyam Swami Raj jadhav2000 (talk) 19:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Change cause of death Raj jadhav2000 (talk) 19:02, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Raj jadhav2000 We don't wait for official determinations, we summarize what independent reliable sources say. If those sources are incorrect, please take that up with them. Please review the frequently asked questions at the top of this page. 331dot (talk) 19:27, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Asphyxia due to Hanging

We don't know if he had suicided or been killed but one thing is for sure, he died due to Asphyxia (deficient supply of oxygen) so why not change it from "Suicide by Hanging" to "Asphyxia due to Hanging"?

@331dot: Please give a reason on why my edit got undone. Thank you Call me Karthik 😉🤞 (talk • contribs) 10:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

‎Kartsriv (ec) Please see the FAQ at the top of this page, which should answer your questions. Reliable sources describe the death as a suicide, we don't wait for official determinations. If the reliable sources are incorrect, you will need to take that up with them to get them to issue retractions. I still don't totally understand why it is so hard to believe this man might have committed suicide, where I live celebrities committing suicide is not uncommon(such as Robin Williams, Kurt Cobain). 331dot (talk) 10:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

[1] has some hints on "why", warning, it's long. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:56, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: Thank you for your reply, 331dot! I'd like to point out the there are reliable sources which suggest that the investigation is on going and there is a possibility that this might not be a suicide but one thing is certain which is the fact the he died due to Asphyxia so why not put that instead of suicide? Having a mutual discussion. Thanks - Call me Karthik 😉🤞 (talk • contribs) 10:54, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

‎Kartsriv Again, please review the FAQ above, this will address your questions. As I said, we don't wait for official determinations, we summarize what independent reliable sources say, and they say suicide. It is true that the investigation is not finished, and the article states this- that doesn't change what the reliable sources are saying. 331dot (talk) 10:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: But those same articles also say "Asphyxia due to Hanging" which is sorta the same as "Suicide by Hanging". By changing it to the former we are being a little more specific on the reason of death. The fact is Asphyxia is more accurate than suicide. Sorry to bother you but I am just trying my best to keep the data accurate. The official postmortem reports concluded that Rajput died of asphyxia due to hanging. So to keep the facts straight, 100% he has died from Asphyxia but there is a slight uncertainty for suicide to being the cause so why not go for it? Thanks - Call me Karthik 😉🤞 (talk • contribs) 11:04, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

‎Kartsriv There is a difference between the cause of death and the motivation of the death. Asphyxia can be caused by means other than suicide(accidents, murder) so it isn't the same at all. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: This makes sense. Thank you for your time taken for explaining me this. Have a good day! - Call me Karthik 😉🤞 (talk • contribs) 11:16, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Sources questioning the credibility of the AIIMS report

- AIIMS and AIIMS Panel is not the same
- Official AIIMS report has not been made public
- Major News Articles which reported the AIIM confirmation specifies that it had been LEAKED to them
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- The credibility of the Doctor of AIIMS who told "SSR's death is suicide" has been tarnished since he had switched his statements multiple times. His audio tape has leaked which stated that SSR was murder and had not suicided. Doc's words are not reliable.
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- The postmortem report is invalid because no time of death is mentioned.
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My point is:
AIIMS didn't confirm it as suicide. One AIIMS doctor representing the panel told who has a history of flipping statements and had leaked an audio clip stating that SSR was murdered. The doctor is uncertain hence we can't take him as a reliable source. There is no proper source stating that it was a suicide hence we can for time being remove the reason for death. I have too many articles against the AIIMS report. This means we basically don't have any reliable sources for his suicide. So it's best if we remove the term Suicide as we are not certain.