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List of Fraternities and Sororities at the University of Minnesota - Alpha Phi Omega

I'd like to work with you to fix the entry for Alpha Phi Omega in List of Fraternities and Sororities at the University of Minnesota. The Alpha Phi Omega which is a member of the PFA (and is the one linked to) was founded in 1925 (And as such couldn't be founded locally at UMN in 1902). However given that I have found at least 9 local Fraternities and sororities bearing the name Alpha Phi Omega (including one National Professional Beauty Parlor Fraternity/Sorority), I'd like to help put this apparently local group, and the National Fraternity each in its proper place. I presume that you are using Baird as a source, which edition? and any other info?Naraht (talk) 14:05, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Goes to bookshelf, pulls down 1920, 1923, 1968 and 1991 Baird's (Yes I own them. :) )'

I know what the entry for Alpha Phi Omega says at the beginning VII-2. However, a couple of points. If you look at the entry for University of Minnesota on II-115, there are *two* entries for Alpha Phi Omega, one for 1902 and one for 1942, no other school is doubled like that. Similarly there are two on page VII-2, one for Minnesota Alpha where *no* other chapters are named using state names and one for Gamma Psi near the end of 1942 which is in the normal chapter lettering (the fact it is near the end of 1940 is that Baird's Alphabetized within the year since they don't use day/month.

In addition the 1968 version of Baird's has no mention of such a chapter. *And* Alpha Tau Omega at University of Minnesota was founded in 1902. Alpha Tau Omega *does* use State/Letter combinations and while their chapter for U of MN is Minnesota Gamma Nu, I think that may be part of it. In addition, the University of Minnesota Archives shows no activity prior to 1938 http://special.lib.umn.edu/findaid/xml/uarc00306.xml and the University yearbook in 1943 shows them as forming in 1942 (http://umedia.lib.umn.edu/node/567865 click on page 172 on the left (which is page 168 in the books numbering)) and the National Fraternity lists their founding as 4/18/1942 (http://www.apo.org/Member/ChapterProfile/95) as to they in documents submitted to the school (http://www.studentservicesfees.umn.edu/historical/14-15_Applications/Student/Alpha%20Phi%20Omega%20application.pdf)

So even though the 1991 Baird's shows both 1902 and 1942, three other secondary sources don't show it (the 1968 Baird's, the school archives and the school yearbook) as well as two primary sources (National Fraternity and documents submitted to the school.Naraht (talk) 18:20, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think you figured it out. Let's call this another Baird's error, for which I will make the edit. I'll note the discrepancy in a footnote. Thanks! Jax MN (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No Problem. I'll keep this in mind if anyone edits the List of Alpha Phi Omega chapters (chronological) page. I'm an alumnus of Kappa chapter of Alpha Phi Omega at Carnegie-Mellon. I initiated in Fall of 1986.Naraht (talk) 19:20, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of Psi Omega chapters

On this page, you've got five different ref entries labelled "Delta Mu Chapter website, accessed 22 September 2014." but they all link to different sites. I think you need to fix the titles to the refs.Naraht (talk) 19:42, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh. Rookie mistake. I meant to change those labels. Thanks for noticing it - they're correct now. Jax MN (talk) 22:42, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What's left

I swear it would almost be easier on the List of Psi Omega chapters to list what dental schools they don't have chapters at. :)Naraht (talk) 15:10, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Order from Baird's

I've worked with Baird's enough to know that the default in most editions for listing chapters founded in the same year is *English* Alphabetical order. So if for a Fraternity, Alpha was founded in 1901 and Beta, Gamma and Delta were founded in 1902, Baird's will listed them in the order Alpha, Beta, Delta and then Gamma. This gives *no* proof that Gamma was founded after Delta and in general if a fraternity is using the Greek Letter Order (or close like Psi Omega), I'll expect it to go the other way.Naraht (talk) 15:31, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

source on O'Neill

Hey, I undid your revert on the source for K. O'Neill as E-D of FSPAC; the Today Show episode was the source for his title as he's not listed on the PAC's website. I didn't mean for it to seem I was trying to seed the article with salacious refs. I feel safe in saying we're probably ideologically symmetrical. BlueSalix (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Xi Sigma Pi

I see you created most of the article on Xi Sigma Pi and the list of chapters. I found out what happened to Iota. The state of Pennsylvania merged the Forestry Program at the Penn State Forest Academy (which is now used as the campus of Penn State Mont Alto) with the program at Penn State. http://students.washington.edu/xsp/history/ and http://montalto.psu.edu/Information/ourhist.htm .Naraht (talk) 20:24, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I noticed that for Psi Omega, that you loaded the Pin image into the Crest entry in the Infobox. I proposed discussion about a separate entry on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities , I'd appreciate your input.Naraht (talk) 12:31, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Pi Lambda Sigma (sorority)

I think we may have overwritten each other, I'll try to avoid that...Naraht (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Me too, Naraht. I didn't realize you were still in the page. It looks better now. Jax MN (talk) 19:31, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NP. When I told Primefac that I felt that I had reached the end of the internet, I momentarily forgot there were things before the internet. :) While I'd love to add history between founding and merger, what sort of events would there be likely to be between the most important ones.?Naraht (talk) 19:37, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that the Founders originally contemplated a non-sectarian sorority was interesting, and you've added symbolism, etc. The sorority that absorbed them has a JPG of their pin, which may be useful for readers. I suspect daughters and granddaughters who may be doing genealogical research would be sniffing around this. And alumnae of the four chapters that received Pi Lambda Sigma at its demise. Jax MN (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The question of where the pin image should be is a completely separate issue. :) Agreed..Naraht (talk) 19:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Screamingly Funny or Sad take your pick

Size of Theta Phi Alpha just before @Msnicolem: started editing it: 10,712 bytes
Size of Draft:Pi Lambda Sigma (sorority) as of the most recent edit: 11,879 bytes

Naraht (talk) 19:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am liking the Pi Lambda Sigma entry more and more. And the Theta Phi Alpha page isn't bad, it's just lots longer, as a thriving group. Meh. I'm not about to start culling and cutting. Jax MN (talk) 19:57, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So on a scale of 0-10 of support with 5 being meh, you were a 6, now you are an 8, I guess. :)

Naraht, nice work in collaborating on the Pi Lambda Sigma site. Should be ready to resubmit soon. Jax MN (talk) 20:54, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See comments on the talk page for the draft. I finished going through the relevant yearbooks for Quincy and Creighton, of which there obviously weren't many (5 or 6 for Quincy, 4 for Creighton). I'll be mailing a check to BU for copies of a few pages of what the Archivist there feels like are the most "text filled" pages there. Still find it so different between schools that have *every* yearbook on archive.org and those that won't even scan them for internal use.Naraht (talk) 20:58, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah - the University of Minnesota finally, finally put theirs on line. Nicely formatted, and searchable. So, I use them quite a bit. Jax MN (talk) 21:03, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So any more ideas on Data Sources?Naraht (talk) 21:23, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You've hit on the usual suspects: Bairds, the succeeding organization's history, and collegiate yearbooks. Anything else I might find is ad hoc, perhaps from an obit, or random Google mention. Jax MN (talk) 01:08, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My problem is that the Baird's that I own aren't from the main time period of activity, I've got the 1920, 1923, 1968 and 1991. If we could find a 1940 or a 1949... Also, do you know of anywhere we could get the Banta's?Naraht (talk) 01:55, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't found these online. The University of Minnesota's Wilson Library has a full set of all editions of Bairds. But not digitized that I know of. Jax MN (talk) 04:43, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The ones after the 20s are still under copyright.Naraht (talk) 23:45, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Theta Phi Alpha

Two things. After all of your changes there are two </ref> entries in the text. Also, the cite web entries went to specific pages of the document, are you sure that combining them and losing that is worth it?Naraht (talk) 22:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I saw those and fixed them. Also, caught an error in the primary usage of that ref, where the page number of the first citation should have been removed from the body of the ref, and ported out to the {{rp|page#}} tag. WP allows that tag to indicate multiple referenced pages in the same document. See Template:Rp.

Jax MN (talk) 05:44, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I understand how RP works, but with that, the book reference should be changed to remove all pieces that refer to a specific page and the main one still directs to page 60 both in the main link and the archive.Naraht (talk) 12:43, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Really? I thought I had fixed that, too. I looked for it (referring to p.60). I'll check later today. The page is looking better. Jax MN (talk) 12:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the actual URL and archive url.Naraht (talk) 12:56, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Chimes

Was National, not now

http://honoraries.wvu.edu/chimesChimes Junior Honor Society for women was founded in 1918 at Ohio State University. In 1948, when Chimes became a national organization, the WVU women’s honorary Rhododendron became affiliated with the national organization of Chimes. Although the national organization later disbanded, some chapters (including WVU’s) decided to retain the name and symbols of Chimes.

Chimes opened to male membership in 1977. Naraht (talk) 16:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Naraht. I note that the Minnesota chapter formed in 1948, the same year of Chimes' move to form a national. This suggests it may have evolved from an earlier local at my school. I'll look into this via a yearbook search when I have some time. Jax MN (talk) 17:04, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. 18:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Pi Sigma Epsilon

Am working on User:Naraht/Pi Sigma Epsilon.Naraht (talk) 18:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to mainspace.Naraht (talk) 22:52, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As to the template we ought to use for honor and professional societies, has there been any discussion about setting off the chapter list on a secondary page, versus incorporating it in the main organization page? Both styles have precedent. Pages for smaller fraternities, with a dozen or less chapters will routinely show a table of chapters (in some format) on the main page. But I don't know if the Fraternity and Sorority editors have set a rule for this. Your thoughts? Jax MN (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't seen any. You might as at the talk page on WP:FRAT. (and wait 6 months).

Giving some thought... I'd say that if all that exists is chapter name and school, I'd want to on the high side of 40 chapters (since that would be reasonable as a dotted list (which could be made 2 columns). If OTOH, date of chartering, region or anything other data was available, then a separate page makes sense. I'd say that Omega Phi Alpha is on (or over) the edge. I wouldn't object to someone splitting the chapters to a separate page (and possibly even conventions) and might do it myself one day. I'd also want the article without the chapter list to clearly not be a stub. Does that help?Naraht (talk) 14:27, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Epsilon Nu Tau

Well I've got a start on the *last* of the current PFA groups: Epsilon Nu Tau. Right now what I've got is at User:Naraht/Epsilon Nu Tau. I think I've got it over the level where the article is acceptable, but it still feels stubbish. (Next stop after that, Kappa Delta Epsilon)Naraht (talk) 18:25, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Xi Psi Phi

Is this Dental Fraternity on your near term todo list?Naraht (talk) 00:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for asking, but no. I'm really backed up with some work projects, and collegiate volunteering. My plans to knock those remaining pages out have been put on hold. Are you thinking of working on it? Jax MN (talk) 03:30, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not realizing you'd responded. I'm working on it now. (User:Naraht/Xi Psi Phi) Seemed odd to have 3 of the 4 done. At worst it will be the website and Baird's, though they do have a number of the fraternity magazines on books.google.Naraht (talk) 19:32, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Naraht, sorry for spelling your user name incorrectly. May I ask why you use that particular name? I see your real name from your Wiki bio page. Jax MN (talk) 16:07, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Johns Hopkins Society

Hello. I saw that you recently edited the List of defunct Johns Hopkins University societies page, and I was wondering if you by any chance had any more information about the Ess Society (or whatever it's real name is) and its existence on the campus. If this is too transparent of a place to discuss I'd be happy to email as well. Thanks. 211.197.11.5 (talk) 14:23, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, and thank you for the inquiry. Sadly, no, I do not have any further information about this group. Of course, the several anonymous editors that have lately attempted to add the Ess Society to the page have added a half dozen sentences about it, but this could be as much fiction as fact. I just do not know, nor do I have anything particularly against the society. Wikipedia's rules are quite clear regarding citation and attribution, so without any proof whatsoever, it is reasonable to assume that the Ess Society belong neither on the page of DEFUNCT nor ACTIVE organizations. It is further a puzzle to me why they write as if it was an ongoing concern, as if they have first-hand knowledge, but are then not declaring it to be active, and therefore to be suitable for the active organization page. Writer, you may be somewhat interested in the linkage they claim to Skull and Bones, the secretive Yale institution. While such clues may pique the interest of many of us who have fraternal and especially collegiate society backgrounds, in this case, these notes may simply be fiction, and an attempt to add notoriety via proxy. Jax MN (talk) 14:38, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Endeavour

Thanks for adding info about the Endeavour. Quite exciting, really.

Just a couple of pedantical points. She was actually commissioned into the service as His Majesty's Bark Endeavour, to avoid confusion with the existing HMS Endeavour. The use of the definite article "the" with the prefix HMB/HMS etc. is considered improper, as it results in an awkward phrasing if the abbreviation is given in full. (eg. "the His Majesty's Ship"). This is not a problem that arises for USN ships.

Many European navigators had discovered Australia, sometimes by running into it unexpectedly at night, like Pelsaert's ship Batavia in 1629, nearly a century and a half before Lieutenant Cook took a look. However, these earlier discoveries were of the western and northern coasts, usually by Netherlands vessels travelling to the Dutch East Indies (what is now Indonesia). They named the land New Holland and many places along these coasts bear Dutch names, such as Arnhem Land.

I've been aboard the Endeavour replica in Sydney. She is quite a small vessel, and it was a marvel of exploration that she was able to make such a significant journey. --Pete (talk) 21:29, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Pete. I will look for this error, and fix it when I see it. Jax MN (talk) 21:52, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reason for revert

Hello Jax NN, I have reverted your edit to HMS Endeavour. The ref says it might be the Endeavour, not that it had been positively identified. Moriori (talk) 22:18, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Chi Tau

I appreciate the creation of the article and the move of the local. But the aftermath seems non-encyclopedic.Naraht (talk) 17:10, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Probably too dramatic. I'll take another stab at it. Thanks. I figured you'd see it. By the way, are you working on an updated page to replace the National APIA Panhellenic group? Jax MN (talk) 17:28, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reminder. It probably should go under APIDA instead, I mostly need to find refs that show notability.Naraht (talk) 19:09, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Say Nahrat, do you have a reference list of all the collegiate yearbooks you use? or do you just Google for them? They are such a great source of information. Jax MN (talk) 19:15, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First three way.

Phi Alpha, the Social Work honorary joined the ACHS at some point very early this year. I've added to the ACHS page and added a page for them. That makes three "Phi Alpha"s: the Literary Society, the Jewish Social Greek that got folded eventually into ZBT and this group. Let me know if you have any suggestions.Naraht (talk) 18:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see you are in the midst of work on the ACHS group. Nice catch. In exploring I found a list of chapters and founding dates in Baird's, among fraternities that are no more. I could add these into a new section. The logo in Baird's for the group is a poor scan. Better to use the crest on the ZΒT website. Jax MN (talk) 20:35, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Have fun. :)!!!!

Phi Alpha (Fraternity)

Beta chapter was at UMaryland Baltimore (which was the graduate medical, legal, dental etc.), Epsilon was at University of Maryland College Park. I managed to find a Phi Alpha Quarterly on books google that I could look at snippets on.Naraht (talk) 13:21, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose we now have to turn our attention to Phi Sigma Delta. Jax MN (talk) 19:12, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of Jewish Fraternities and Sororities

Where is the source that Hai Resh used the Hebrew "הֵא רֵישׁ"?Naraht (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I asked a Jewish friend of mine if my transliteration is correct. If he is in error, please make a correction. In a moment there will be a couple more. Jax MN (talk) 23:04, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Phi Lambda Sigma

I don't see anything about the interaction with Phi Lambda Sigma on the Phi Delta Chi History page that you referenced it to. (https://www.phideltachi.org/page/HistoryofPDC).Naraht (talk) 02:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are right - it was on the PDC Timeline instead: https://www.phideltachi.org/page/PDCTimeline I'll fix the reference. Jax MN (talk) 07:45, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chi Alpha Sigma

Sorry for adding this to your User Page by mistake. An IP user added Chi Alpha Sigma to the list of Honor Societies. I did a quick news.google search and looks like enough to write the article (some are student newspapers, but a lot are University Athletic Department websites). Could you give a quick opinion on whether it looks notable? (The National page looks like it claims about 200 chapters, and the sources make that seem reasonable.Naraht (talk) 22:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - it appears legitimate, go for it! There is always the risk that this is another of the scam sites, collecting user fees from unsuspecting grads. I think this one is clear.

I keep that running list of pages I'd like to develop or work on myself, but am afraid that business or my focus on existing pages keeps me occupied. Ugh. Also, for your page, see John_Kopchick, where this person apparently was in a local with the name Chi Alpha Sigma at IUP, which became a chapter of Delta Tau Delta.

Also, when I first read this I thought the name was familiar. But no, nothing at any of the pages I curate. The mind gets fuzzy... I've been poring over all the old yearbooks for Minnesota, tracing predecessor groups and attempting to get any stragglers that I missed during page creation. I paged through from 1921 to 1929 over the long weekend. Jax MN (talk) 23:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, saw the one on John Kopchick in searching for the string on Wikipedia, but different. BTW, I have identified at *least* 9 different groups that were called Alpha Phi Omega *other* than Alpha Phi Omega over the years. I'll let you know when it is done.Naraht (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chi Alpha Sigma. Done unless I find something else useful. two refs, one to a very useful article from Rutgers, and one to the about page on the group website.Naraht (talk) 15:43, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of Massachusetts Institute of Technology fraternities, sororities, and ILGs

Any suggestions on how to get references for List of Massachusetts Institute of Technology fraternities, sororities, and ILGs?

Typically you'd go to Baird's (which has a fine listing for MIT with founding dates of its chapters) and to the individual national pages. I put in a vote to keep this page, but wonder if it will be received better with a more system-wide perspective, and historical data. --Not overtly rush oriented as it is now. This article is subject to bloat, like the Dartmouth page and other Ivys. Graphics would help, and each of these should have annotations. When I did the Minnesota Greek page I just ended up going down the rabbit hole for every open question and factoid I'd heard, searching for a citation. Jax MN (talk) 23:29, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sigma Delta Psi (Athletics)

For when we finish with MIT.

and a few others.Naraht (talk) 04:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Date format.

In a few recent articles including Delta Phi Delta, you have used a date format that looks like 25 December, 1999. For US Articles, I think that December 25, 1999 would be preferred. If not, then 25 December 1999. The comma is only used to separate the numerical day and year.Naraht (talk) 18:31, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have no preference, but thought I was using a style preferred by Wikipedia when citing dates. --Someone had corrected one of my posts over a year ago, but as I recall, they were specifically talking about dates within references. I just read the style guide, which indeed says either:

"3 June 1890" or "June 3, 1890" are OK, but not "3 June, 1890". --No comma necessary between the word of a month and a year.

As these are American institutions, in body text I'll use "June 3. 1890" and in references (bowing to what I think was a standardization request) I'll use "3 June 1890". Reasonable? Jax MN (talk) 18:43, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think June 3, 1890 is better than June 3. 1890 (comma vs. period) OTOH, I'm ok with the 3 June 1890 for refs.Naraht (talk) 22:18, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That period was a typo. Jax MN (talk) 00:13, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Professional groups...

If you add a group (Alpha Tau Sigma, Alpha Epsilon Iota) that includes Template:Professional_fraternities, please add them to the template in the Independent group at the bottom.Naraht (talk) 22:05, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am reviewing some of my recent pages, and will add them to Professional fraternities and sororities. Also, if active, I'll find a place for them on the template below. What do you do about dormant groups, as to the template? Jax MN (talk) 00:31, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Iota

Possible sources:

http://www.stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/g/alphaiota_r.html (that is their ritual, I generally don't reference the ritual, instead, I use it to narrow down public information about the group elsewhere, like the flower and colors and then use that.
https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/vjeb19/current , lots of entries for chapters and conventions under there, not sure a direct search can be done rather than one just on tandfonline.

Naraht (talk) 20:04, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I knew about that first source, and similarly, do not reference it out of respect to these societies. Thanks though, and thanks for the second source. This was an interesting project, as Alpha Iota was neither in Baird's nor on Wikipedia. Their national website suggests to me that they only have one active chapter; I could be wrong on that, but the way the website frames it they are still talking about having chapters "on leading universities internationally..." It's difficult for an organization to face its failing. I think they began with Business schools (secretarial and stenography) for women, and junior colleges, but could never make the abrupt transition to dump those in favor of full universities, which would let them to join the NPC. --Dunno if they tried. They were a creation of an earlier era and a product of their times. Jax MN (talk) 21:05, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Pi Delta Nu

Managed to get to the information on Pi Delta Nu in the 1935 Baird's through creative searches to get past the snippets. Let me know what you think. The group had 5 chapters as of 1935 and I have listed them. Apparently the group was listed in no later Baird's, though there appears to be a single mention in the 1940 as an organization at U of Missouri.

I also moved Alpha Tau Sigma and Alpha Epsilon Iota to the letters without Medical. No disambiguation is needed as long as there is only one group by that name on Wikipedia.Naraht (talk) 21:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch. I did a little cleanup, and added a second color swatch. Jax MN (talk) 22:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Epsilon Sigma Iota...

Might be enough...

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Ceres...

I *think* there was an article for them which was deleted, but I don't remember what the dab term was for it. :(Naraht (talk) 22:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to be Ceres (women's fraternity). I hope we can find more than we did 6 years ago.Naraht (talk) 22:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All I have so far is what I found in Baird's 20th. (I have the 19th and 20th on my bookshelf, and access online to the editions prior to the copyright cutoff.) Perhaps FarmHouse will have information on them, as they supported its founding. Jax MN (talk) 23:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot it was in the 20th Edition. Sometimes I think that we'd have better chance of keeping an article based on only 6 chapters in a sorority if they'd gone completely inactive sometime in the 1930s. :( I sent email to some of their leaders to try to get a current chapter list and any news coverage. Also some mentions and info on the FarmHouse site. Note, at least as of 2010 (Their 25th as covered in the FH magazine http://farmhouse.org/foundation/documents/2010%20Pearls%20&%20Rubies%20-%20Spring.pdf)

Active (7):Alberta, Illinois State, Kentucky, NC State, SD State, Western KY, Wisc - Platteville
Inactive(7): Cal Poly Pomona, Cal State Fresno, Colorado State, Montana State, North Dakota State, New Mexico State, Washington State.

Still would like more Secondary references...Naraht (talk) 08:31, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Creating

I'm going to try to get started at Draft:Ceres (women's fraternity) on Monday morning unless you have a better place. I think that's probably the best dab term. We've got probably 9 or 10 places that would link to it.Naraht (talk) 02:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to me. I hadn't started on that one yet. Next for me is to revise the Order of the Coif. Jax MN (talk) 02:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

U of Georgia

I'd use List of fraternities and sororities at the University of Alabama as a guide. Create a redirect to the section on greek life and then add the redirect to the category.Naraht (talk) 17:44, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Got it. I attempted an improved organization of the page, Wikipedia:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities/Watchlist. Next is to review and add links that are missing. Jax MN (talk) 18:37, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And while the List is a redirect, don't have it as a Main redirecting it back... (I've removed them in both UofA and UofGa)Naraht (talk) 19:41, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have to close the editing comment with a "-->" ? Jax MN (talk) 20:15, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Figured it out. Just a misplaced carriage return. Jax MN (talk) 20:17, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of ACHS template.

The ACHS template, unlike the Professional Fraternity template is only for those organizations which are or have been part of the ACHS. It doesn't seem any more appropriate than adding an NPC template to a social sorority which has never belong to it. Not sure if we should create a more generalized Honor society template containing those that have never belong as well.Naraht (talk) 13:20, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the discrepancy between that and the Professional Fraternity template... Got it. Do you want to tackle this? There are a ton of these organizations that have not been part of the tighter ACHS system... But would benefit from adjacency when someone is searching for an old group.

Meanwhile, if you want to remove it from that page where I added it, no problem. I cannot recall which one it was.

By the way, you may have noticed that for several days I've been working on the F&S project watchlist, adding many chapters, reformatting and creating sections. Out of curiosity I looked to see what the average daily page views are, hoping for a number in the hundreds. Sadly, on many days there are zero views. Once this is done I'm going to explore improvements to the project page that call out more prominantly the watch list, daily changes and AfDs that impact these pages. Jax MN (talk) 17:56, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I did remove it. Yeah, I think renaming the template to be broader and including non-ACHS. I'll probably make a draft template. And I thought the watch list was automatically generated by what was in the article talk pages...Naraht (talk) 18:23, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Just letting you know, I'm working on List of Gamma Sigma Sigma chapters.Naraht (talk) 18:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. On that new page, make sure to Wikilink the intro sentence back to the main article about the group. Jax MN (talk) 19:23, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Onel5969. In your first comment, from a few hours ago, the template text said this: "You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page." (see above) Thus, THIS is why I deleted your AfD notice. I did what was requested: provided edits to the article itself, but more importantly, to its Talk page, noting rationale. It seems that was what this level of AfD required. Are you still insistent on putting it up for a vote? Jax MN (talk) 23:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Eta Sigma Gamma

I'm going to try to copy the complete chapter list that they have on the ESG website over... I can copy what's on their site to Excel, add what we've got and go from there. One difference is that I expect the dates of inactivity to be in the table, not in notes. I'll copy over all of the other information there that is relevant, but not the chapter websites. (Chapter websites fails EL badly, unless they are direct refs for something like month/day of chartering. I'll try to do that either Monday or Tuesday.Naraht (talk) 03:24, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, while the IP address maybe a AFDSOCK, I doubt it is of the AFD proposer. I've worked with him on things before, and frankly his AFD proposal was less obnoxious than some of the others.Naraht (talk) 03:24, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Alpha Sigma Alpha chapters.

Mary Baldwin University in Staunton is still an active college. I'm unclear why the entry is unlinked with a school defunct note.Naraht (talk) 10:29, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I fixed it. Jax MN (talk) 15:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sigma Chi

Thanx for continuing to watch. The 2008 event should definitely be slimmed down, but that google docs article probably has enough links for an article about the brother who died. I went looking for other cases of hazing deaths for national fraternities and none of those went beyond about 5 sentences so that's about as much as I'd want in the Sigma Chi article, especially without proof.Naraht (talk) 12:13, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Again, thank you for removing it. This item may benefit from some editors coaching on the Talk page, if the OP persists on restoring it. The original post was written in non-encyclopaedic language: bloated, emotional and unsourced. To allow that lengthy paragraph on a summary about Sigma Chi national was woefully out of WP:PROPORTION, and clearly ran afoul of WP:NOR Jax MN (talk) 15:07, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, it is back, I cleaned up the rest, but getting this fixed considering the additional sources in the google doc that I copied to the talk page is going to be more complicated.Naraht (talk) 15:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your edits and for your support in this! P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 19:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

User:Jax MN I thank you too. Thank you for your appreciation of my edits of the City College entry. I thought some context was needed. Iss246 (talk) 21:11, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the nudge

I appreciate the reminder to actually vote on the matter of National APIDA Panhellenic Association's AfD. It's been a few year since I've done much more than minor edits and largely forgot the process. Thanks also for you help on bringing the article a bit more up to code. --Littledrummrboy (talk) 16:22, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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+I appreciate the reminder to actually vote on the matter of [[National APIDA Panhellenic Association]]'s AfD. It's been a few year since I've done much more than minor edits and largely forgot the process. Thanks also for you help on bringing the article a bit more up to code. --[[User:Littledrummrboy|Littledrummrboy]] ([[User talk:Littledrummrboy|talk]]) 16:22, 14 June 2021 (UTC)