Talk:Padmasali (caste)

Notable names must be sourced

If a name in the "notable names" list does not have an associated article here, Wikipedia requires that the subject's notability be verifiable via a reliable source. I've deleted some names of highly dubious notability, and left others. If no sources are provided, all of the names will be removed. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 04:06, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Change of infobox

I have changed the community infobox to a caste infobox as Padmashali caste is considered as a separate caste. 59.92.148.182 (talk) 05:05, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

List of Famous Padmashalis

Hello 71.229.74.159, please do not vandalise the list of famous Padmashalis. They are sourced. I don't know what is your motive behind this vandalism. Please explain the reason why you are deleting some of the members, either here on the talk page or if at all you are editing again. Rammi123 (talk) 05:12, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Sources

Most of the references used in this article are not reliable sources by Wikipedia standards. Blogs like padmashali-blog.blogspot.com are self-published sources, and are not acceptable. Caste websites such as akhilabharatapadmashalisangham.org and akhilpadmashalisamaj.com are not third-party sources, and not considered reliable either. I'll remove the content supported by these sources in a few days, unless these sources are replaced with reliable sources. utcursch | talk 03:04, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

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Snippet views

I have just removed some recently-added content because I think it relies on "snippet views" of the cited sources. Snippet views on Google Books are insufficient to provide proper context. For example, one of the sources does indeed mention the ancient text but we do not know whether the author who mentions it then goes on to examine the claim made by that text. - Sitush (talk) 19:25, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Raj era sources

Why Wikipidia Do not Refer Raj era sources?? Rushi101 (talk) 12:28, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

They are not considered reliable for various reasons, including them mostly being written by amateurs, adhering to outlandish theories of scientific racism, being often reliant on translated statements made by vested interests etc. - Sitush (talk) 13:01, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Copyright

The repeated reinstatement of copyrighted content, however much other sites may have also copied it over the years, is not acceptable. If we go back to the very first edits on this article in 2007, it is obvious that it was copied from this blog entry for 2005. Eg: look around the phrase Caste communities involved in the leather and wool-based household industries - which perhaps have an older history than cloth weaving.

I've dug around the Wayback Machine and the article history. It seems to me that most of the content, all the way up to its occasional 14000-character size, has been published earlier on that blog or on similar community-based websites that are listed as external links in whichever diff you choose to pick from way back when.

It has to stop. Read WP:COPYRIGHT. - Sitush (talk) 22:03, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I've removed some more copyvio, recently added from a book. The website https://web.archive.org/web/20130717083848/http://www.aponline.gov.in:80/apportal/departments/departments.asp?dep=03&org=111, produced by the Government of Andhra Pradesh, has a different caste list from that in the article. However some of these subcastes are listed in the book. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:41, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that extra issue. The book is effectively a primary source and it is outdated. The present lists are available via the websites of the National Commission for Backward Classes and similar but they are notoriously ambiguous. - Sitush (talk) 02:14, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Families

Please do not add allegedly famous family names to this article unless you provide a reliable source that shows them to be both "famous" and actually from the community. Please also read the information at WP:WTAF. - Sitush (talk) 06:37, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 June 2021

KnowledgeHunter9090 (talk) 22:14, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

The padmashalis are not shudras .they belongs to vysya varna. Their origins arr from brahmins as in ancient india many castes changed their profession based on society need. Its not a myth. They are descendants of markandeya rishi and its not a myth. No one created myths .its their origin .they are born in markandeya bloodline .There are misleading mistakes and disrespectful mistakes .please correct them

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:30, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2021

KnowledgeHunter9090 (talk) 00:52, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Padmashalis are of vysya varna who oroginated from brahmins. They are not shudras .kindky change it .

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 01:35, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2021 (2)

KnowledgeHunter9090 (talk) 01:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Padmashalis are not shudras .they didnt become brahmins from sanskritisation. They originated from brahmins then invested in weaving and textile business. The wikipedia article on padmashalis is very misleading .They descendant from markendeya rishi . Here is the deep explanation of padmashali caste .kindly edit and remove the misleading mistakes .  

Link https://padmashali.webs.com/

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:10, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2021 (3)

KnowledgeHunter9090 (talk) 02:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
The padmashalis are brahmins who are aryans who migrated to south India from north India and developed special skills and invested in weaving and textile business . They are classified as business caste or Vysya varna .they changed their varna or caste from brahmins to Vysya according to the society needs .add this . They don't belong to shudra who are farmers and labours who are not related to the brahmins .  add the photo which is there at the bottom of the page sir for family tree of padmashalis origin as I provided .here is the link. And also you can add the  other information too, if you allow me I will also add or you can add. Link is here 

https://padmashali.net/akhila-bharata-padmashali-sangham/padmashali-vamsam.php

Thank you sir . KnowledgeHunter9090 (talk) 02:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I provided a link sir. Please check . KnowledgeHunter9090 (talk) 09:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

https://padmashali.net/akhila-bharata-padmashali-sangham/padmashali-vamsam.php

Here is the link KnowledgeHunter9090 (talk) 10:01, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2021 (4)

KnowledgeHunter9090 (talk) 16:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Padmashalis are not shudra origin .This line is totally wrong. They are categorized as vaishya varna .they have brahmin origin who invested in weaving and textile business .

Here is the link of the source from official community http://www.padmashali.ca/our-community They invested in textile business and weaving . They are not shudra origin but vaishya origin or business class . Remove the shudra origin which is incorrect . KnowledgeHunter9090 (talk) 16:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: That is not a reliable secondary source. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Remove unverified information

The padmashali are not of shudra origin. Just because an author added his views and published a book that does not become a reliable source... The motive of this information is to defame the caste.. please delete this information as this kind of information provides incorrect view of a certain community.. Tummavinod (talk) 03:09, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 June 2021

About Padmashalis it is written as shudra origin which is wrong and they are categorized as vaishyas who engaged in textile business and weaving. Thy ooginated from brahmins then took up weaving and textile business. The matter written about them is poorly sourced and not reliable. Change their origin from shudra to vaishya. And mention their family lineage and roots as mentioned in this official source of the community. http://www.padmashali.ca/our-community AmericanCake (talk) 18:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 June 2021 (3)

As another editor said padmashalis are not shudras in origin. Here is the source the padmashalis are f brahmin origin who trace their paternal ancestry to markandeya rishi which is also their gotra(paternal ancestry in hindu society). They invented in weaving textile industry which is again not shudra work but it's a vaishya work(which is business class). Shudra is labor class and farmers which is not even related to it. The book citation here mentioned is not reliable as anyone who writes without evidence and proper research we can't accept it as reliable. It's misleading. Change shudra to brahmin. And write how they changed their occupation in later period of time into textile business and weaving. Here's the link https://www.daijiworld.com/news/newsDisplay.aspx?newsID=79495 Kindly change thank you. AmericanCake (talk) 20:25, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Morneo06 (talk) 20:41, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 June 2021 (2)

It is written that padmshalis are of shudra origin is incorrect. Padmashalis are of brahmin origin who invested in txtilw weaving industry business which is again not shudra by vaishya. In the place of shudra origin change it to brahmin origin. Source :

https://www.daijiworld.com/news/newsDisplay.aspx?newsID=79495

Thank you sir. AmericanCake (talk) 21:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 June 2021 (4)

padmshalis are not of shudra origin. Padmashalis are of brahmin origin. Later invested in textile vaishya business occupation. Chand from shudra origin to brahmin origin. Source

https://www.daijiworld.com/news/newsDisplay.aspx?newsID=79495

Thank you. AmericanCake (talk) 21:03, 25 June 2021 (UTC)