Talk:Afghan conflict

Double Pictures

Why are there two pictures of the same image where President Karzai poses with the US troops? Aeazer (talk) 8:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 9 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 19:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

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War in Afghanistan (1978–present) → Afghan conflict – It's a simple yet effective name that broadly refers to the whole 'conflict' in Afghanistan since 1978. The current name may also be confusing when we have the current War in Afghanistan (2001-present) article. Wq639 (talk) 14:02, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• How can it be confused with War in Afghanistan (2001-present) that is the point of the () עם ישראל חי (talk) 22:50, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose since Afghanistan has been the scene of a whole series of conflicts over the centuries, this could be a US-centric proposal. PatGallacher (talk) 00:15, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose – Soviet–Afghan War, War in Afghanistan (2001–present), Afghan Civil War (1996–2001)... all of these would also be "Afghan conflicts". The proposed name does not seem to meet neither the standard WP:NAMINGCRITERIA (particularly WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRECISE) nor WP:NCE (particularly, the "what" is not easily identifiable). Impru20^talk 11:57, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. How about all the other conflicts in Afghanistan through the ages? -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:21, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose: Afghan conflict should redirect to War in Afghanistan, which describes various conflicts in Afghanistan throughout its history. Jarble (talk) 18:11, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

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I comment here to note that CapLiber unilaterally moved the page to Afghan crisis (1978–present) without any explanation. Seeing how the move was conducted just 43 minutes after this move discussion was closed with no support for a move, I have reverted the article to its original location. If a move to the proposed "Afghan crisis (1978–present)" title is to proceed, it should follow the procedure for controversial moves: this is, to open a new move request and have a discussion on it to seek consensus for such a move. Impru20^talk 20:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 6 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved to "Afghanistan conflict (1978–present)" as proposed. (closed by non-admin page mover) B dash (talk) 09:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

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War in Afghanistan (1978–present) → ? – I think the titles 'Afghan conflict (1978-present)' or 'Afghan crisis (1978-present)' would be better suited than the current title. The term 'conflict' or 'crisis' is better for this wider spectrum of different conflicts that have taken place since '78. It puts it into line with other article titles like:

• Iraq conflict (2003–present) (with Iraq War one part of it)
• Ukrainian crisis (with War in Donbass one part of it)
• Libyan Crisis (2011–present) (with Libyan Civil War (2014-present) one part of it)

Using the same method, we could have e.g. Afghan crisis (1978-present) with War in Afghanistan (2001-present) as one part of this wider series of conflicts.

Also I should mention that this article is also named too similar to War in Afghanistan (2001-present). It's not a confusion issue (as said by someone in a previous move request above) - but instead it's to do with accessibility: When searching for 'Afghanistan War' in Google you see the 2001-present article there, not this 1978-present article, partly because the 2001-present article is a lot bigger and known. This 1978-present article needs good distinguishing as a result, which would also greatly help people searching for this article in particular on Google or other search engines instead of the current 2001-present war. I am personally mostly in favor of changing the name to Afghan crisis (1978-present), but anything else similar I would prefer over the current title. Drayqueen (talk) 00:25, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

• Move to Afghanistan conflict (1978–present). I don't like using "Afghan" instead of the actual country's name. In the examples above, "Iraq conflict" is used rather than "Iraqi conflict". Rreagan007 (talk) 22:13, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
• Support Afghanistan Conflict (1978-present) for all of the above reasons. Garuda28 (talk) 23:09, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

@Drayqueen:, would you support the version proposed by Rreagan007? Safrolic (talk) 23:26, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

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Dangling ref

I have located a dangling ref and have hidden it, replacing it with a citation needed tag. This has been done because we have references pointing to sources that are not recorded in the article. Please feel free to contact me if you need assistance fixing this. - Aussie Article Writer (talk)

Fixed.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 6 August 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. No support for this proposal. Number 57 15:29, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Crisis in Afghanistan – I think the term Crisis would be best suited instead of Conflict when you look at it form a broader spectrum. Also reduces any leftover confusions. This term is already used in eg Ukrainian crisis, Crisis in Venezuela, Libyan crisis. (alternatively some may prefer Afghan crisis but I think Crisis in Afghanistan is best suited). Weaveravel (talk) 13:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Oppose: I've never heard of a crisis lasting 40+ years. Serendi^podous 23:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose this is obviously not the common name. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:11, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

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Requested move 16 August 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved, early closing per WP:SNOW. No such user (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

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Afghanistan conflict (1978–present) → Afghanistan conflict (1978–2021) – See Talk:War in Afghanistan (2001–present)#Requested move 15 August 2021. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 22:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose- it's highly unlikely that all conflict will cease now after it's been ongoing for 43 years, and important to wait until there's evidence of it being over. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 00:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Source needs to be explicit about the end of the 43 years old ongoing conflict. Ratnahastin ^tålk 04:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Strongly oppose While the 2001 phase of the war definitely ended with the fall of Kabul on 15 August 2021, the Afghan conflict is not over: the Northern Alliance and other anti-Taliban groups are creating a stronghold in the Panjshir Valley and have promised to fight.--Karma1998 (talk) 10:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose While the U.S.-led phase of the conflict is ending and will almost certainly be over by the end of this month, I haven't seen any reliable sources claim that the larger Afghanistan civil war is totally over. On August 17, 2021, Amrullah Saleh claimed that he is the country's legitimate leader. The BBC's live online coverage has repeatedly posted news briefs about the "uncertainty" surrounding Afghanistan's future. Based on what RSes are saying, I think it's too soon for Wikipedia to claim that this long-standing, multi-phase conflict has totally ended. CoatGuy (talk) 15:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Strong oppose Basically exactly what CoatGuy said. There is no evidence saying that the continuous conflict in Afghanistan is over, nor any reliable source to support such a claim. The US phase of the conflict has a separate move discussion occurring at Talk:War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–present)#Requested_move_15_August_2021, but this article is covering the overarching series of conflicts, thus it is too soon to make any such move. 98.217.255.37 (talk) 18:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Comment Just adding this source indicating that already there have been two postwar states declared in Afghanistan, fighting between the two is likely. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210817-defiant-afghan-ex-vp-vows-new-fight-with-taliban 98.217.255.37 (talk) 18:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Very Strong Oppose We are on the verge of starting a new Afghan Civil War (or in a more official term a new phase of the existing Civil War) which is a part of the overall conflict. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:b005:60fa:2570:54a:2e91:38b4 (talk) 19:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose and suggest speedy close per WP:SNOW per all of the above. Lennart97 (talk) 13:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose I understand the argument when it comes to the recent war but before acting like all conflict in Afghanistan will end you need proof for it.SteffooM (talk) 15:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• Very strong oppose While the War in Afghanistan (2001–present) may be over, the conflict is not. The Panjshir conflict is still ongoing and we don't know how long it will last. BnC78 (talk) 19:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• With new developments making it clear the overarching conflict is not over, I request for this discussion to be closed. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 20:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• Strong oppose The phase of the conflict that started in 2001 may be over, but the overall conflict continues as a resistance is formed against the new Taliban government. EkoGraf (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

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Rewrite/Addition

This article needs a major rewrite, specifically about the 2001-2021 phase. The section is too particular, talking about bomb blasts in Kabul and such. It should have a broader focus and should include the end of the war. A new section about the Panjshir fighting, however long that war will be, should be added as well. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:CDEB:8B09:CB62:FF14 (talk) 15:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)