User talk:力

• If I did something, please start a conversation here.
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• I am aware of the General Sanctions involving crypto-currencies and professional wrestling. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:02, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Vital article votes: Biographies

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Since you were also active in suggesting that we remove some of the writers from the vital articles list, do you have any thoughts on the current slate of removalsZelkia1101 (talk) 03:19, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Not particularly. I'll take a look at the last batch later this week. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 18:30, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

New signature

User:力 (powera, π, ν) 23:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

What's with the "a" in "powera"? – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Move review for Nur-Sultan

An editor has asked for a Move review of Nur-Sultan. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't intend to comment, at least not right away. If the MRV is spurious, it would be unnecessary. If editors feel the MRV is not spurious, I will allow them to say their concerns before I respond. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 23:52, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Re: Special:Diff/1055247515

Curiously, that has nothing to do with my editing seems to have been an XfD closer error-- I don't make a habit of copying and pasting 65,000 bytes :). Not sure what happened. Cheers, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

It looked like an accidental "select all" of the AFD daily log. Figured it was easiest to just let you re-close it. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 19:33, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, good call. It's possible I did, but I'm pretty sure this one wasn't me. Who knows, I do make my fair share of slip-ups. Best, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:37, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

ARBCOM elections 2021

I am publicly supporting 5 candidates in the election. Two are returning arbs - Opabinia regalis and Worm That Turned. The other three are not - Enterprisey, Wugapodes, and Donald Albury.

Regarding the other candidates (note that I am likely to privately vote support for at least one of these candidates):

• Beeblebrox and Izno are too involved at off-wiki forums for me to publicly support them here.
• Guerillero and Thryduulf were both on the committee "before my time", and I don't get the sense either particularly desire another term.
• I don't like Cabayi's answer to Kudpung's question on non-participants in ARBCOM cases.
• I don't like Banedon's platform - ARBCOM should strive to be less like a courtroom.

User:力 (powera, π, ν) 16:38, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

^{( Buttinsky)}Thanks. I believe I am with you all the way. Not sure I'll spend the time to actually vote, but it is good to know. Thanks again. warshy ^(¥¥) 16:50, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Would you mind a sidebar on recentism vs. routine coverage?

I was reading this move discussion and saw your comment. Knowing that we had disagreed in the recent McCarthy process (similarly contrasting an entertainer versus a current politician), I hoped a dialog with you might help me understand a concept better.

In the current discussion, an early and guiding assertion is on the subject of incoming links, 1200/335/179/>100. This has the appearance of statistic neutrality and impartiality, and I'll concede is certainly a worthy standard to observe. The next assertion is about pageviews, again a statistic, so I'm okay here too. Ghits, again just a number. After various assertions of policy and preference, you comment "...it may be recentism (most coverage nowadays is driven by things he says on Twitter) but he does get enough pageviews...".

I totally agree with your interpretation, and think it significant, and not because ANY context. Your comment helped me to process something that's been brewing in my mind for some time: such numeric assertions seem to have a recentism/immediacy/connectedness bias because of the frequent use of ROUTINE entertainment, celebrity and political news sources, which feed themselves and each other. In the case of McCarthy, I hoped I was making an appeal to the lasting impact of his accomplishments. Because of my view on NOTNEWS, developed as primarily a wiki-biographer of dead people, I don't necessarily agree that stuff presented in contemporary news is valid for sourcing, and certainly not statistically.

Am I making any sense? I'd like to hear you contrast your position with mine. BusterD (talk) 22:05, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• There's a lot there. I don't think "incoming links" is useful. Any metric will show Abraham Lincoln is the primary topic. But if you are arguing about whether a footballer with 100 links or a politician with 200 links is the primary topic -- either that means there is no primary topic, or the number of inbound links doesn't tell us anything useful. In this case it is the latter; incoming links is too dependent on navbars and (for footballers) whether there is a list of goal-scorers on every team's per-season pages.
  To a certain extent, we can and do use page views to determine a primary topic. If one topic has 90% of the page views, there needs to be a compelling argument from long-term significance to overcome it. In the case of Walsh, "he gets a lot of engagement on Twitter" is not a compelling argument.
  I am deliberately not going to discuss McCarthy further, but please re-ask about anything else I may have missed. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 22:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
  • We agree. I'm not here to rehash old discussion and apologize if I've acted in any unfeeling way. My intention is the opposite. In the case of a life-long entertainer like Joe Walsh, the biographical subject has received abundant coverage of almost everyday accomplishments (concerts, tours, albums, appearances), so the number of potential sources for those routine events over time are enormous. Because of those sources, some of these everyday accomplishments get their own articles. In the older RM I was taking advantage of this source-rich bias. In sports, we see the same implicit bias of abundant routine coverage. In my youth, I envisioned politicians valuing the work product of their labor (bills, programs, funding) also sometimes worthy of their own articles. But these days the routine news coverage is so involved in process, politicians seem more like partisan celebrity and less like law maker. That is, they have less to hang their hat on. BusterD (talk) 23:21, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Rome template

Does this even serve a purpose anymore? BusterD (talk) 19:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

@BusterD: It's probably not necessary, but I try to avoid thinking too much about navboxes on entertainment topics. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 19:33, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Wisdom in that. BusterD (talk) 19:39, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Fix Argonne

Please restore the Argonne Rebels page and refrain from any further deletions. If you had bothered to read the repertoires section you would discover that Argonne placed within the top 10, nationally, for almost 30 years. Btw, drum corps are never referred to s a "team." It is clear that you lack the knowledge to really monitor the D & B activity. Argonne73 (talk) 01:44, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Fine, have it your way. Please discuss this at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Argonne Rebels Drum and Bugle Corps. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 01:49, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Had you done a simple Google search you would have discovered the 2015 Smithsonian traveling exhibition that was in Kansas that highlighted ONLY the Argonne Rebels and their excellence in performance. Please do a simple Google search for the Argonne Rebels and tell us how MANY internet sites you discover. Would be dozens if not hundreds. Also, please educate yourself on the activity before making other merges. Argonne73 (talk) 02:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Argonne Rebels Vandalism

Argonne was one of the founding members of DCI. Argonne should have it's own page on Wikpedia. Marched 7 years with Argonne. What corps are you affiliated with and which national honors did they attain?

Argonne73 (talk) 03:47, 21 November 2021 (UTC)