Talk:Ryan Kavanaugh

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Should this article be deleted? It appears to have no citations other than the company website. Luna Bars 4 Lyfe (talk) 20:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Good suggestion. I will mark it for BLP PROD. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 20:29, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I have only found two sources that could be used for this article. Both of which do not have enough information to support some of the personal life claims. Also, when I went to look at the edit history I noticed one of the recent edits was done by someone attempting to create a "bio" for Ryan Kavanaugh leading me to believe they have a bias on the topic. Luna Bars 4 Lyfe (talk) 20:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Obviously the above colloquy is long outdated. The article is hugely relevant (and hugely long). Quis separabit? 23:01, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Lawsuits & Controversies Deleted

For some reason the Lawsuits & Controversies section was deleted in it's entirety by someone who just joined Wiki as an editor. The page was subsequently locked for editing. It seems like a conflict of interest to me. This should be fixed? Emh96 (talk) 13:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, seems like someone associated with Ryan has been doing some spring-cleaning of this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.236.174.11 (talk) 10:25, 9 Aug 2021 (UTC)

Exactly, the Controversies and lawsuits are well sourced and need to be added back as it's the most relevant thing about this guy. This should not read like the bio from Ryan Kavanaugh's website, which it actually does. Wikipedia is not for self aggrandizing, and also everything that is not cited here should be removed. There's plenty added here without citation since it's request for deletion in 2012, since Ryan Kavanaugh or someone who works for him has edited this page to exaggerate importance and claims. There's no reason this page needs to be semi protected for the sake of covering up facts and leaving uncited claims within.(talk) 09:27, 19 Aug 2021 (CST)

Please note:

The Controversies and lawsuits section was first added by an IP account as can be seen from the page's history. A look at the history of the page reveals that there has been series of such IPs vandalizing the page which has necessitated regular protection of the page.

Moreover the "Controversies and lawsuits" added clearly violated the wiki policy stated at WP:BLP. Read it here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#People_accused_of_crime

The information on those 2 sources cited are mere accusations and false which the enemies of Ryan are fronting. Besides the accusation are not proven and the case is still under litigation. If this is case, such a claim cannot be added on the Wiki page of a Living person in line with the policy cited above.

Furthermore, it appears that another older user added the "Controversies and lawsuits" again recently since Ip and other newer accounts have been barred from editing the page. This inclusion has copyvio issues as has been discovered by User:DanCherek. That's why it has been removed and reported to the admin. The inclusion clearly violated the dicates of WP:BLP.Laskiam1010 (talk) 12:25, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

I removed some text solely due to copyright issues; that should not be used as a cudgel in this content dispute. In fact, I've now restored some sourced material that was removed without a valid reason. The WP:BLP policy is a protection against unsourced or poorly-sourced contentious material, but information is being summarized from reliable sources including Variety (see WP:VARIETY). DanCherek (talk) 12:55, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Notice to all, the page has been temporarily restored to the last stable version as edited by ChrisTakey (talk | contribs) at 10:51, 11 August 2021 pending the outcome of the matter here. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Ryan_Kavanaugh

A consensus is required here. Yaxı Hökmdarz (talk) 06:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Ryan_Kavanaugh

For my understanding the Lawsuits against Kavanaugh are definitely notable, and should be included in the article. --Osmo Lundell (talk) 20:07, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Ryan Kavanaugh falls under WP:PUBLICFIGURE and the disputes should be included in his article. Morbidthoughts (talk) 22:53, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

This page has a history of COI issues: a user with COI pushed for the Controversies section to be removed.

It seems that, according to WP:PUBLICFIGURE, some of the Controversies section (which included accusations of crime for which Ryan Kavanaugh was not convicted) should be restored:

"In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it. If you cannot find multiple reliable third-party sources documenting the allegation or incident, leave it out."

The Variety article source being the only source for the Ponzi scheme accusation should maybe be left out because there are not multiple reliable third-party sources documenting it. However, being arrested a second time for a DUI was reported in New York Times (https://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2013/04/17/why-ryan-kavanaugh-is-now-the-most-watched-man-in-hollywood/), WENN (https://www.imdb.com/news/ni0623087), and later referenced in Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2013/04/17/why-ryan-kavanaugh-is-now-the-most-watched-man-in-hollywood/), so it certainly is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented.

Furthermore, part of the removed section referenced Ryan Kavanaugh's first DUI in 2006 for which he was convicted and accepted a plea deal. My understanding is that would be included even if he was not a WP:PUBLICFIGURE, as he was convicted.

Most importantly, I am worried that this page in its current state is influenced by COI because removal of the Controversies section was determined to be due to COI by User:RK777713 (banned for threatening legal action). Ublind (talk) 22:56, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ublind: looking further into this, I agree, the controversies section should stay put, removal is a conflict of interest, so it would need to be discussed further if deletion is an option, any sign of a public figure or anyone colluding on his behalf who scrub valid, resourced materials (however shady) should always be questioned. Hogyncymru (talk) 23:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ublind: The Variety article lends equal weight to both parties' viewpoints and this is reflected in the article. The Wikipedia article is also transparent in naming the source in prose, leaving it up to the reader to conclude whether the assertions made by the source are to be believed. That being said, there is widespread consensus that Variety is reliable, see WP:VARIETY. Considering all of this, the passage can be left in the article, in my opinion. Throast (talk | contribs) 23:30, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Throast: Good points. Also, considering the Variety article is one of the top news results when Googling "Ryan Kavanaugh Relativity Media", it certainly seems to be "likely to be useful to readers" in alignment with the Wikipedia essay page on relevance. I agree that it should stay. Ublind (talk) 22:23, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

What happened to the mention of him accusing someone of sexual assault when that turned out to be false? Cool879 (talk) 06:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cool879: It's in the article, see the second last paragraph in the Career/Relativity Media section. Throast (talk | contribs) 10:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2021

The newly added information is part of a paid disinformation campaign is is refuted by newer more reputable articles. H3 podcast has paid editors to add the new content which is not “new” but part of a malicious disinformation campaign intended on smearing R.Kavanaugh. This needs a thorough review and those editors making these changes should be thoroughly investigated for being paid to harm a party knowingly. RK777713 (talk) 07:03, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@RK777713: What newly added information, specifically? And which editors are adding the content in question? Please name them. ––FormalDude talk 08:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:14, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

User:JK.Kite has been trying along with two others since July to add in a “controversies” section and to delete anything positive but add negative. This stems from a podcast owner Ethan Klein of H3 as we initiated a litigation against them for copyright infringement. He has gone a public smear campaign and paid editors to try to include misleading and twisted negative statements (this can all be directly traced to him). Most telling is the articles and posts in question come from sources that are 3-10 years old and her only for the last 40 days have they tried to keep adding this section. It is misleading as the press they source in the very same articles state that the allegations were proven false and in accurate and there has been dozens of articles posted after the date of these refuting the claims they keep trying to publish. The only party to raise these claims and attempt to spin them as face is Ethan Klein of H3 on the exact same dates these editors keep trying to add the controversy section even though they range from. A decade old to 3 years old and all have publically been proven false. RK777713 (talk) 21:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Jk.kite should be investigated and certainly will be added into our current suit against H3 and Ethan Klein.

Here was the initial suit

RK777713 (talk) 21:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I find it interesting he is so focused on trying to add in info that ass proven false from years ago but isn’t seeming to care about updating the page to add I. Any info which is written about regarding 2018 to present which is much more prominent and well sourced. Since it is all positive it clearly doesn’t fit their agenda RK777713 (talk) 21:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@RK777713: It would appear most of the contributions added by JK.Kite have been removed. Is there any content remaining in the article that is not suitable for Wikipedia? ––FormalDude talk 22:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Looks like someone fixed it. Thank you. Maybe you can advise as there is nothing added since 2018 and a lot of press of recent activities. It seems I shouldn’t be adding things so is there a way to add sourced things that have been relevant? Thanks for the advice RK777713 (talk) 22:37, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

For example this one https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/triller-ryan-kavanaugh/ RK777713 (talk) 22:38, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@RK777713: I left a message on your talk page about editing with a potential conflict of interest. You are certainly able to request edits to the page if you think there is beneficial encyclopedic information to add. See WP:EDITREQ for more info. ––FormalDude talk 22:41, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

There is the matter of claiming to add editors here to a lawsuit that needs to be cleared up. I would recommend RK777713 look at WP:NLT and clarify their intentions before proceeding with anything further. I'm not an admin and I only added this here for their benefit. --ARoseWolf 20:49, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

You have got to be joking. Some person here who thinks they can threaten editors with legal action? And we're placating him? Prinsgezinde (talk) 04:06, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Shameful that a person can scrub his own article like this so openly, all controversies should be brought back ASAP! buræquete 22:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buræquete (talk • contribs)

@FormalDude: I am shocked to see how this has unfolded. As it appears, you have accommodated a COI editor threatening legal action against another editor. This editor should have been reported right then and there. Adding a COI notice to their talk page was hardly the most appropriate course of action at stage. Not to mention that the reliably sourced content removed by the COI editor remained scrubbed after all of this. Unbelievable… Throast (talk | contribs) 01:45, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Throast: Obviously I didn't see their legal threat, but I did not "accommodate" them. I have not even edited this article, so spare me the pearl-clutching. You've restored it now anyways, problem solved. ––FormalDude ^talk 01:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Sorry for taking legal threats on Wikipedia seriously. According to your user page, you want to be alerted when you have made a mistake. Read more thoroughly, especially when dealing with an obviously volatile COI editor. Thanks. Throast (talk | contribs) 02:04, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I didn't make a mistake, as there was nothing I did wrong. I just could have handled it better. Thanks for the feedback. ––FormalDude ^talk 02:07, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

RK accused by ex partner of running a ponzi scheme.

This and other controversies should be added to RK wiki page. 2603:8081:2100:B67:7DBA:35FD:F9C1:6FB3 (talk) 22:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Vandals on my site

Why are people writing misleading and innaurate info that is paid by Ethan Klein and h3 and proven to be false? For 5 years it was never on my site and now that Ethan Klein has publically attacked me and threatened to use wiki to destroy my reputation he is able to just pay someone to do it? Why would 5 year old disproven falsehoods make their way only in the last few months for the first time (only since h3 podcast publically said this was what they were going to do) and yet the very recent positive multiply sourced and relevant info not? How can Wikipedia allow this? Especially since the editors have worked with h3 and Ethan prior? 2603:8001:9301:737:30FE:B0F7:7DAB:3587 (talk) 07:04, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

In case you didn't see the warning left on your talk page, please read WP:OWNERSHIP. Obviously, this is not your website.

And if you are the one who recently edited this talk page to remove others' comments, that's not allowed, per this behavioral guideline.

I know you've said other things, but I'm mainly seeing disruptive editing from one side of this conflict, and it's not the side you think it is. To make it clearer, one side has provided reliable sources, and another side has called the website their own, baselessly called other editors paid vandals, made legal threats, and haven't provided any sources whatsoever. - Whisperjanes (talk) 09:02, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't matter that the sources are 5 or 50 years old, if they are falsehoods, supply the evidence of that and refute the said false allegations within the article, deletion & hiding public articles are not OK. Buræquete (talk) 16:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

 User blocked: For the sake of clarity, I am letting everyone know that the IP and all sockpuppets of User:RK777713 (see above), who has declared to be Ryan Kavanaugh himself here, has been blocked for making legal threats and/or sockpuppetry. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/RK777713. Throast (talk | contribs) 19:41, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2021

please include the following article and event regarding Ryan Kavanaugh:

https://deadline.com/2018/06/relativity-memo-sexual-harassment-fraudulent-against-former-co-president-adam-fields-1202398823/ 201.174.135.50 (talk) 01:22, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2021 (2)

Several of the claims in the updated bio were found to be untrue or false by a the judge or resolved out of court so should be removed, specifically the 2 below we should not be including "claims" that have been found to be untrue or that have been dismissed by a judge

In 2018, hedge fund investor Carey Metz filed an amended lawsuit stating that Kavanaugh defrauded him by conning him into making a $10 million investment in Relativity Media in 2013. Also, in 2015, while the company neared bankruptcy, Metz alleged that Kavanaugh duped him into making another $2.5 million investment. New York bankruptcy judge Michael Wiles dismissed aspects of Metz's initial complaint alleging a breach in unjust enrichment and oral contract after declaring that Metz's claims were barred by a release that accompanied Relativity Media's 2016 reorganization plan.[11][12]

In June 2019, Variety reported that Kavanaugh was accused by his ex-partner of running a Ponzi scheme. Kavanaugh denied the allegations and filed a counterclaim alleging breach of contract. The parties later released a statement announcing that the issues were resolved out of court.[15] 88rising88 (talk) 10:10, 24 November 2021 (UTC)