User talk:Guliolopez

Thanks for the gentle nudge

and of course for the Links WP:COPYVIO WP:CLOP to help me along, VERY much appreciated! Maybe if you can get a chance can you have a look at what I've added to the page for Beara Peninsula this is the section that was not Copy and Pasted. I'll summarize the rest later. Bibby (talk) 16:30, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Irish Steel

On 21 June 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Irish Steel, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Irish government had budgeted €61 million to clean up the former site of the Irish Steel plant, twenty years after selling it for £1? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Irish Steel. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Irish Steel), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:04, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Dublin postal districts!

Hi! I totally understand reverting the postal districts to their classic format. I think it speaks to the general confusion about Eircodes anyway. Are the districts now defunct, having been replaced with routing code areas? It's hard to say! Happy to leave it as is. The nerd in me would be even tempted to call An Post to seek clarification because it confuses me so much.

An aside that speaks more to the confusion about Irish addresses post-2015. On the world postcode list page, it says that Eircode routing keys are never used on their own. This is untrue. A letter addressed to, say, Swords with just K67 written on the envelope under the address will reach the recipient. As will a letter with no Eircode at all. And one with JUST the Eircode. So, FOUR types of addresses would not lead to a return-to-sender error in Ireland right now!

1. 25 Imaginary Street Swords Co Dublin

2. 25 Imaginary Street Swords Co Dublin K67

3. 25 Imaginary Street Swords Co Dublin K67 YY76

4. K67 YY76

Revert

Hello, thank you for your revert here. Obviously I was not aware that a discussion was going on regarding this issue. Otherwise, I would not have proceed to this changing. --Montjoie-Saint-Denis !!! ^talk 18:00, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Datelinks

Regarding Alice Kyteler Not sure what you are saying here. Who is "we" and why don't we link dates "like that"?? I went to the link you provided and it seems to simply be a discussion. Sarah777 (talk) 20:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Hiya.

RE: "We". Apologies if I wasn't clear. By "we" I meant the broader Wikipedia community. As determined by convention, consensus and MOS.

RE: "We don't link DOB like that". There is no consensus or convention for linking year of birth (in the opening sentence) like this. (The Albert Einstein article doesn't pipe-link his DOB to 1879 in Germany. The Shakespeare intro doesn't link his year-of-birth to 1564 in England. Etc.)

RE: "Link you provided seems to be a discussion". I'm not entirely sure what link you mean, but (on my computer) WP:DATELINK redirects to the Manual of Style entry which covers whether/if/when/how a date might be linked or pipe-linked. It's not a discussion. It's a guideline page that sets out the generally accepted standard (a reflection of established consensus/convention). Including the consensus/convention that (to paraphrase) links/pipe-links to dates are best avoided. Unless the "linked date or year [article] has a significant connection to the subject [..and..] the linking enhances the reader's understanding of the subject".

Personally I don't understand (even in the body of the article) how a red link to the non-existent 1325 in Ireland article fits with the related MOS guideline. Or how a link to 1328 in Ireland (which contains one unrelated death) enhances a reader's understanding of the life/experiences of Alice Kyteler. Other than to imply, as we've seen in other similar articles spewing misogynist/revisionist bull, that a woman who had more than one husband and managed to retain her property must've had a hand in all deaths that year(?) :)

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 15:55, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Very funny are you. Surely everyone should know that Alexander de Bicknor deserted the Queen's party while in France if not exactly in Ireland in 1325??? Sarah777 (talk) 22:31, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Six Counties FM honorifics

There aren't any. The Right Honourable does apply to members of the Privy Council, and Foster and Robinson are members of the PC which has probably caused the confusion. FDW777 (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I am no expert myself. I am happy to follow the sources. AFAIK there are none to support the text added of late. Hence I removed it. Is the beginning/end of it from my perspective really. If the refs support: great. If not: gone. The End :) Guliolopez (talk) 21:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

My apologies to both of you on the confusion on this. The reference makes sense that prior holders of this office are in the British Privy Council. I’ll use the talk page from now on to start these discussions until I get the hang of it better. Spf121188 (talk) 10:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

National Maritime College of Ireland

Hey there, Guliolopez, thanks for your input into my changes to the National Maritime College of Ireland article, apologies for any areas where information may have went overboard, please know that this is mostly as a result of me being a newcomer, and not fully up to speed on what information is too much to include. I appreciate your input in re-drafting some of the sections.

As regards the notice on my talk page (r.e. conflict of interest), to be straight, I've no relationship with the college, beyond being from Ireland, interested in Irish maritime goings-on and familiar with the college, its history and operations.

I had felt the state of the article (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Maritime_College_of_Ireland&oldid=1032671986) prior to my input left a lot to be desired, not featuring an infobox, any photos or much information about the maritime college in general, despite there being a good deal of information about the college available online (from news articles primarily). I thought it wouldn't be long before the stub was a fair candidate for merging with the MTU article (on account of its length), which I thought would be unfortunate, given maritime colleges articles (Warsash Maritime School, etc) typically have some bit of depth (excuse the pun) to their articles, whereas the NMCI had little more than a couple bland sentences.

As regards future input, I think the article now lies is in a fair state, featuring enough depth about the college that (I feel) it doesn't require much more content input (at least) from myself, although references (particularly for facilities) can still be improved.

Regarding references (for the facilities particularly), what would your advice be? References for each thing being present at the college can be found by using the NMCI.ie website, however a lot of these direct pages for each facility are essentially commercial advertising by the college (room hire for events, commercial training programme information, etc) which would be effectively amount to a commercial advertisement to directly link to. Would it be best to use a catch all link to the official websites facilities page (https://www.nmci.ie/facilities) here, where users can click through general information covering its facilities instead.

Apologies again, thanks for your help. BordNaMonaLisa (talk) 22:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) BordNaMonaLisa You will probably find this page, Identifying and using independent sources useful in finding appropriate reliable sources for your editing. Using sources associated with the subject are best avoided or kept to a minimum. ww2censor (talk) 10:01, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your note. RE:

• "No COI". OK. Fair enough.
• "From Ireland, interested in Irish maritime goings-on and familiar with the college". Great. I am also all of those things. Albeit not to the extent that I've added prospectus-style content on how students might have the benefit of reduced cost GP care, ample car parking, multiple (if complicated) accommodation and travel options, find their way from Dublin, etc.
• "Previous poor/basic state". Indeed. It likely wasn't ideal.
• "Now much better state". Indeed. It is now in a better state. Although there is still a significant lack of supporting refs. Including for the discursive stuff in the history section. Like the sentence which talks about the 1990s when "the rapid expansion of [..] the Bishopstown campus and new practical training requirements of the 1995 STCW Code, had made the Bishopstown campus unsuitable, requiring significant expenditure to remain in compliance". What sources support this assertion for example? Or the stuff about "Informal discussions [taking place] between college staff and naval officers" and a "tentative proposal that unused Department of Defence land in Ringaskiddy be developed as a joint college". Where does that come from? It's not in any of the linked sources? So what was relied-upon upon when you wrote it?
• "Regarding references". If the nmci.ie/facilities webpage(s) support all the text in that section, then - sure - it/they could possibly be used. However, as noted above, there are referencing issues beyond that section. Much of what was recently added text isn't/wasn't readily supported by the sources linked. (In fact more than a few of the sources recently added do not mention the subject at all. Like the GP practice website, the Examiner article on the cross-river ferry, the Echo article about the IDA's work in the area, the motorway plans, etc. These therefore are forms of WP:SYNTH -- where there is extrapolation of what the source actually says).

Anyway, I'll likely take a look at the article in the coming days. And see if I can help address these issues myself. Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 13:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Luke Kelly - Bunclody

I would like to appeal your decision please. Is there a process? I think the reference to Luke Kelly’s YouTube song is highly pertinent and telling – through it we have a direct link to the town and the region, as well as the phenomenon of migration more broadly. And of course, Kelly is a major figure and this version of his has some 190 k views, with very appreciative comments, e.g. “Apparently, this was Luke's favourite song, it was taught to him by a teacher who lived there, I live a few miles from Bunclody myself…” Maybe we could canvas some locals as to the relevance of the reference on the site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riga-to-Rangoon (talk • contribs) 13:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Riga-to-Rangoon. And thanks for your note. In terms of your:

• talkpage note, please note that WP:SIGN advises editors that such posts should be signed.
• comment/question about an "appeals process", you may want to take a look at WP:CON and WP:VER. Edits and additions are undertaken by the entire community. With consideration to available reliable sources, consensus on how those sources should be represented, and the other pillars of the project. I have no more power or authority than any other editor. And my contributions (as yours) are bounded by the project pillars. Rather than an appellate court or process.
• suggestion about "canvassing locals to confirm the relevance of the content", you may want to consider that content isn't added/supported on the basis of voting or canvassing or whatever. In terms of content, the guiding expectation is that it be supported by reliable and verisiable sources. Not "ask a bunch of people what they think and update content based on their responses". (You might also want to read WP:NOTVOTE. About the place polling has in the application/interpretation of project guidelines.)

Anyway. I have found a few reliable and verifiable sources (RTÉ and INM - rather than "polled locals") and used them to add a short note about the song/Kelly to the relevant article. The other stuff falls under WP:NOTLYRICS. And hasn't been re-added.

Bye. Guliolopez (talk) 14:02, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much indeed for your very fast reply - most happy outcome.Riga-to-Rangoon (talk) 14:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Céide Fields

Ha! I just went out, returned, saw more wrong with this article, and was rewriting more stuff, but then saw you'd intervened. Going through the history of this article, I noted you were the main guy checking up on this. Based on your article editing history, local Irish stuff is your thing, so I'd say watch out for nationalistic bias, but I will respect you. Hmm, hijack -didn't know that one; synth -okay, I see what you mean, feel you here, =cutting corners on my part.

Here's where I can't agree with you. We have two conflicting sources: one is an old defunct promotional website from around 2005 without sourcing, one is a new scientific journal article from 2017. The old website has some obviously flawed info, from a perspective of European agricultural history -it is uncited, but it's dating clearly comes from Seamus Caulfield's 1998 article on the subject (C14 radiocarbon dating). Thus the website is bullshitting a bit. There were possibly two methods used to date the site before the writing of the website =C14 and tree ring data (especially in Ireland tree ring data is mwa, there aren't that many trees, plus I can't find anything about this). The best, most modern, most scientific source should have priority. To give you a perspective, I can likely find many outdated sources stating that the earth is flat, or that barnacle geese are born of barnacles, or that women and black people are inferior to white men, or that tuberculosis/syphilis is a condition caused by being English (or French). Should such sources be given equal priority over what modern research has revealed? No. More modern sources are indeed superior, despite what you say.

What I just noticed as wrong with the article is again chronology. In Ireland the Neolithic ended about 3,700 years ago. Again, it does not take me long to find a source. Check out this 2010 article =the site is Bronze Age, according to these guys. Hmm, I see you noticed the same problem. I suggest ignoring promotional websites as much as possible. I will try to rewrite the article after you're done (if I see something that I find questionable), please edit as you see fit.

By the way, all the uncited info is actually taken from the 'Museums of Mayo' website, but from this webpage, as opposed to the page the reference links to.

Cheers, Leo 86.88.48.93 (talk) 21:17, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Here's two ref.s to save you time:

Caulfield's initial claims.

Evidence disputing him.

86.88.48.93 (talk) 21:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

References

Hi. Thanks for your note:

RE: "I am the main guy checking up on this". I'm not sure I'd agree with that. Before today, I think I'd made barely a handful of edits. And those were mainly to revert vandalism and similar crud. Rather than more involved "checking".

RE: "Irish stuff is my thing, so watch nationalistic bias". Eh. Yes, of the 3000+ articles on my watchlist, it does include subjects related to Ireland. However, I'm already quite aware of the potential for bias. And check myself (and others) for the same. Thanks all the same.

RE: "Websites versus academic sources". Rightly or wrongly some of those websites (including online news articles) reflect the academic sources (as published by Caulfield, but also Warren, Molloy, O'Connell, Lucas and others).

RE: "Conflicting sources". As noted, while some of these findings have been questioned by others, it is best to simply state as much. Rather than pitting one source against another. Or describing one source as "defunct" or "outdated" or whatever. While perhaps a little closer to the material than would be ideal, Caulfield's works (and those who later relied on Caulfield's works) don't fall into the WP:PARITY category expressed by WP:FRINGE*. To the extent that we can be seen to dismiss or editorialise on their validity. ("X says A, Y says B" is how differing sources are reflected. Not "X says A, but Y says B". Or "X said A in 1995, but Y said B in 1996 (and so Y wins).) *I appreciate you were probably just exaggerating for the sake of the point, but I'm not sure it's fair to associate Caulfield with fringe or flat-earth theories.

RE: "Here's two refs to save time". Thanks. Along with several other changes (to attempt to reflect the varying sources), I have also added those to the article. Having myself first reviewed them. Of course.

If further discussion is required (on the sources and how to reflect them), then it is best done on the relevant article Talk page. Rather than here. (That is, in effect, what article Talk pages are "for". To discuss how best to reflect the available/verifiable refs. Especially where those refs may not fully align.)

Doei Guliolopez (talk) 13:38, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Cummin

Hello Guliolopez, this is Philip Cummings born liverpool england, 1940. I may not be as clever as you, and what is your connection to St Cummin 0f Mayo, any way.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:43CF:3E00:B9BF:EC84:AA54:A083 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I'm afraid I may be missing some context here.

In terms of the question itself, I do not have any connection to St. Cumin of Mayo.

In terms of the reason for asking, I do not remember the specifics, but the edit history suggests that I edited the St. Cumin of Mayo twelve years ago. Once. In a single edit. On 3 December 2009. To remove what I can only assume was your name. From the main article namespace. As the article namespace shouldn't contain names/signatures/credits of contributing editors. Which was Wikipedia policy in 2009. And remains Wikipedia policy in 2021.

If you are harking-back to a single edit I made 12 years ago, then I'm not sure why. Or what you need/want to discuss about it.

If you otherwise have a specific question (now in 2021) and/or want assistance with something specific, then please do let me know what that is. And I'll help. If I can. Guliolopez (talk) 20:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Quick newbie questions for Guliolopez,,,

My petition for inclusion in the Irish War of Independence page has been archived. But I can't seem to find it anywhere in the archive. Does this mean what I think it means?

Also, my second petition for the page Google Map of War Of Independence in Cork City to be included as an external link can't be found anywhere? Did my message get lost in the matrix by any chance? Or is it just deemed irrelevant?

Finally, what would your opinion be of me gently approaching the community of contributors on the Burning of Cork wiki page and suggesting an external link to Google Map and Audio of Burning of Cork City ?

Myuser007 (talk) 06:30, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi.

RE: Archive. I don't know what you mean. The Talk page thread you opened is still there. It has not been archived.

RE: Map. I didn't see any mention of a map in any of your Talk page posts. Personally I don't see how that map meets WP:ELYES. Per WP:EL#EL15, links to Google Maps (or other mapping tools) are typically not appropriate for inclusion in EL sections.

RE: Adding more links to your website to more articles. In honesty I wonder if you're in the right place. If you have an interest in Cork and Irish history (including in the War of Independence and Civil War period), you can contribute to the project by helping improve the related articles. Not peppering each with links to your own company / project / employer / website. That is WP:LINKSPAM (with a WP:COI overlay). Whatever way you cut it.

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 16:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I updated the talk page on android/mobile. And the posts seem to have gotten lost. No idea what happened to them. Anyway thanks for your time. Myuser007 (talk) 18:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok

What about the M20 Motorway extension edit thingymajigy CrypticCurrency1 (talk) 12:37, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi CrypticCurrency1. As there was/is an active thread there, I have responded on your own talk page. Guliolopez (talk) 16:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Dermot MacCarthy, 1st Lord of Muskerry and Cormac MacCarthy Mor, King of Desmond

Dear Guliolopez. Greetings, how are you? I am still under A-Class review for the article Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty. The reviewer User:Peacemaker67 suggested to make redlinks for two 14th-century Irish that I mentioned. Wondering whether they were notable and whether enough sources can be found to make articles, I boldly went ahead and made two stubs called Cormac MacCarthy Mor, King of Desmond and Dermot MacCarthy, 1st Lord of Muskerry. I am not good with the 14th century in Ireland and all the problems of using anglicised or Irish forms or both. Are the article names and lead sentences correct? Should the kings of Desmond have a succession box? Is it princes of Desmond or kings in the 14th century? I would believe they were kings before Henry VIII declared himself King of Ireland, princes afterwards. Could you please have a look at these two stubs and correct them? With many, many thanks for now and all the many other times you helped me. Best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 07:20, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Hendrix quote on Rory Gallagher

Your presence is requested here.

2600:1700:37AA:4950:1407:541D:E091:5994 (talk) 21:01, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Charming. Not my input or thoughts? My "presence"? How could I ignore such a pleasant invite... Guliolopez (talk) 10:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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Busy Bee

	Buzzy Bee
	Thanks for the help, your re-wording reads better. ex uno plures Bibby (talk) 23:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Holidays

	Nollaig shona duit
	Wising you and yours the very best for the holiday season and new year. Ceoil (talk) 20:44, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much @Ceoil:. Very many happy returns for the season and new year. Guliolopez (talk) 21:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Rosie Hackett

I am perfectly happy that you moved the poem Naming the Bridge to the Rosie Hackett Bridge page , but am very disappointed to see it gone from this page. If you listen to the very fine poem, it is about her life's work and why she is deserving of the honour. Please consider putting it back here. There is no reason it cannot be in both. Aineireland (talk)

Hi. And thanks for your note. If you wish to readd the YouTube link, then that would be OK with me. However, to my mind, that link is perhaps better suited to the Rosie Hackett Bridge article. And perhaps less suited to the Rosie Hackett article. Which is why I "moved it". (Because it's title, theme, topic, tone and content all primarily relate to the naming of the bridge. Yes, the content also covers (as you note) her life events/efforts. But, primarily, as they apply to the bridge-naming/commemoration.) I note, separately and disappointingly, and perhaps in the context of WP:ELNO, that the reader makes a statement which isn't entirely factually accurate. A statement which, granted, I've heard repeated elsewhere. About it being the "first bridge named after a woman [in Dublin]". Which, without qualification, isn't entirely correct. Slán agus GRMA. Guliolopez (talk) 20:35, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Dates of birth

The dates of birth for Irish sportspeople are from a number of sources. The recently-created articles on a number of Meath Gaelic footballers, including Mick White, should now have a link to a source on their date of birth. Other websites which provide this information have also been used. These include Find My Past and the Irish Genealogy website.

As regards the date of birth in the Danny Buckley article. His date of birth of 1957 is correct given that he played minor in 1975 and under-21 in 1978. The date of 1945 in the category box is an error. User:CorkMan (talk)

Hi CorkMan. And thanks for the response.

In terms of Mick White, I'm afraid I must be overlooking something. Where (what page?) of that 1966 match program is his age or date-of-birth given? I see his name on page 14 (centre pages) among the subs for Meath. And a short bio-entry on page 16. Confirming that he was a minor in 1959, and joined the senior team in 1966. Is this what we are using to extrapolate (WP:SYNTH) a date of birth of 1941? (I otherwise don't see an age or DOB mentioned anywhere in that program...)

In terms of Danny Buckley, while I understand that the 1945 date is clearly an error, I still do not understand where we are getting the 1957 date from? Are we sating that, because he played minor in 1975 and u-21 in 1978, we can extrapolate (WP:SYNTH) a potential DOB in 1957?

If that's what we are doing, how is all of this not WP:OR and WP:SYNTH? Guliolopez (talk) 17:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Your recent contributions to Richmond Arena (Dublin)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Richmond Arena (Dublin). Kyo Aston (talk) 11:53, 29 December 2021 (UTC)