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::::::::::::::That's the only thing 'lunar' refers to, having to do with the Moon (as far as I know). Other moons would not be referred to as lunar, that's Moon specific, and not uppercased. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 22:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC) |
::::::::::::::That's the only thing 'lunar' refers to, having to do with the Moon (as far as I know). Other moons would not be referred to as lunar, that's Moon specific, and not uppercased. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 22:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC) |
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{{od|::::::::::::::}} While it's clear there is a logical case for capitalizing 'lunar', in this case I think we should stick with the apparent convention of using the lower case (except when referring to a specific thing like a spacecraft). Wikipedia isn't here to set standards, but to follow common usage. Cf. [[WP:UCRN]]. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 14:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC) |
{{od|::::::::::::::}} While it's clear there is a logical case for capitalizing 'lunar', in this case I think we should stick with the apparent convention of using the lower case (except when referring to a specific thing like a spacecraft). Wikipedia isn't here to set standards, but to follow common usage. Cf. [[WP:UCRN]]. [[User:Praemonitus|Praemonitus]] ([[User talk:Praemonitus|talk]]) 14:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Travelling to the Moon == |
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If I am in a rocket which takes off from Earth and heads directly to the Moon, the moon will be above/ahead of me and the Earth will be below/behind me. |
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Now, let's imagine my intention is to continue flying straight at the Moon right until the point I reach the surface. |
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When I reach the Moon's surface will I be travelling upwards, and so "hit the Moon head first" (like banging my head on the ceiling), |
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or will I be travelling downwards "crashing down" (like jumping off a cliff and hitting the ground)? |
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Think about it, this isn't a simple question! [[Special:Contributions/90.249.28.7|90.249.28.7]] ([[User talk:90.249.28.7|talk]]) 18:14, 6 January 2022 (UTC) |
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"Earth's orbit" or orbit around the Earth?
In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon#Formation is "The impact blasted material into Earth's orbit...". Which I read as the specific orbit Earth has around the Sun. But the reference seems to be saying the material was blasted into orbit *around* the Earth, not around the Sun. I suspect that "...into Earth orbit ..." or "... into orbit around the Earth ..." would be more correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.71.185.178 (talk) 23:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- I can see how that might be confusing, I've changed it to "into orbit around the Earth". Schazjmd (talk) 23:25, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
In the Lunar Effect section "purported unproven correlation" should be changed to "pseudoscience."
Wikipedia defines pseudoscience as "statements, beliefs, or practices that claim to be both scientific and factual but are incompatible with the scientific method."
Here is why the Lunar Effect meets this criteria:
The sources given point to:
- A Scientific American article that debunks the lunar effect concluding that "the lunar lunacy effect appears to be no better supported than is the idea that the moon is made of green cheese."
- A meta-study from 1985 that looks at 37 previous studies and concludes that there is no evidence for the lunar effect.
- Another meta-study from 1988 that concludes 21 previous studies fail to show a correlation between lunar periodicities and birth.
- A magazine article from the Skeptical Inquirer entitled "The Moon was Full and Nothing Happened."
- A Peer Reviewed paper from Current Biology that says, "despite a persistent belief that our mental health and other behaviours are modulated by the phase of the moon, there is no solid evidence that human biology is in any way regulated by the lunar cycle."
Thus, it is pretty fair to say that belief in the Lunar Effect is incompatible with the scientific method.
- I think you ought to take it to the main article, Lunar effect, and get it changed there first. The section in this article is just a summary style description of that page. Praemonitus (talk) 19:20, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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83.142.248.108 (talk) 01:10, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
The moon is not a dwarf planet
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Is it "Lunar" or "lunar"?
Hi there I have mentioned this before but now I want to propose to mainstream the capitalization of the Moon also for Lunar, because it is inconsistent and grammatically wrong to keep writing Lunar small. I would like to go over the article doing this. What do you think? Nsae Comp (talk) 15:07, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- For use as a proper adjective, I'd say it needs to be a specific person or place, not 'lunar regolith', for example. You could try asking at WP:GRAMMAR. Praemonitus (talk) 16:02, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the suggestion, I placed the question there ( Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language ). Nsae Comp (talk) 20:35, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- If this is you trying to make a usage mainstream, then that is highly inappropriate. Whether you like it or not, English has many standard usages that do not fit rigid rules. That doesn't make them grammatically wrong. It means that English grammar is complicated.--Khajidha (talk) 20:44, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the suggestion, I placed the question there ( Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language ). Nsae Comp (talk) 20:35, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- If consistancy is inappropriate then I am guilty. But Ill bow under the rule of inconsistent use if grammar allows. But I was inferring that grammar might dicdate consistancy because of the capitalized use of the Moon. Nsae Comp (talk) 01:05, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- Moon is the proper name. Lunar isn't. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:16, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- It's true though that we do write Martian and not martian. I don't think I had noticed this before, as regards "lunar". That said, capping it would look very strange to me. --Trovatore (talk) 03:17, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- Martian is derived from a proper noun, whereas lunar is not. Praemonitus (talk) 03:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- "Luna" is not a proper noun??? --Trovatore (talk) 06:30, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- When used in a name, yes, the Goddess Luna, Luna Lovegood, and the singer, etc. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- And what is lunar derived from, if not that? --Trovatore (talk) 16:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- It is not generally used as a proper name for the Moon, at least not in English. When you capitalize Martian, its pertaining to the planet Mars. Praemonitus (talk) 18:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- But Jovian is capitalized, and Jove is not generally used as a proper name for (the planet) Jupiter, in English. --Trovatore (talk) 18:35, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think "Jovian" is like "Cantabrigian" - they refer to a proper-noun place by using an alternative name for that place. Maybe the situation with "lunar" is closer to the situation with "catholic" - if it refers to our capital-M Moon, it can be capitalized, but otherwise not. I don't think there's any real standard out there, though. - Special-T (talk) 18:44, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- That's the only thing 'lunar' refers to, having to do with the Moon (as far as I know). Other moons would not be referred to as lunar, that's Moon specific, and not uppercased. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think "Jovian" is like "Cantabrigian" - they refer to a proper-noun place by using an alternative name for that place. Maybe the situation with "lunar" is closer to the situation with "catholic" - if it refers to our capital-M Moon, it can be capitalized, but otherwise not. I don't think there's any real standard out there, though. - Special-T (talk) 18:44, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- But Jovian is capitalized, and Jove is not generally used as a proper name for (the planet) Jupiter, in English. --Trovatore (talk) 18:35, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- It is not generally used as a proper name for the Moon, at least not in English. When you capitalize Martian, its pertaining to the planet Mars. Praemonitus (talk) 18:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- And what is lunar derived from, if not that? --Trovatore (talk) 16:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- When used in a name, yes, the Goddess Luna, Luna Lovegood, and the singer, etc. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- "Luna" is not a proper noun??? --Trovatore (talk) 06:30, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- Martian is derived from a proper noun, whereas lunar is not. Praemonitus (talk) 03:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- It's true though that we do write Martian and not martian. I don't think I had noticed this before, as regards "lunar". That said, capping it would look very strange to me. --Trovatore (talk) 03:17, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- Moon is the proper name. Lunar isn't. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:16, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- If consistancy is inappropriate then I am guilty. But Ill bow under the rule of inconsistent use if grammar allows. But I was inferring that grammar might dicdate consistancy because of the capitalized use of the Moon. Nsae Comp (talk) 01:05, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
While it's clear there is a logical case for capitalizing 'lunar', in this case I think we should stick with the apparent convention of using the lower case (except when referring to a specific thing like a spacecraft). Wikipedia isn't here to set standards, but to follow common usage. Cf. WP:UCRN. Praemonitus (talk) 14:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Travelling to the Moon
If I am in a rocket which takes off from Earth and heads directly to the Moon, the moon will be above/ahead of me and the Earth will be below/behind me.
Now, let's imagine my intention is to continue flying straight at the Moon right until the point I reach the surface.
When I reach the Moon's surface will I be travelling upwards, and so "hit the Moon head first" (like banging my head on the ceiling),
or will I be travelling downwards "crashing down" (like jumping off a cliff and hitting the ground)?
Think about it, this isn't a simple question! 90.249.28.7 (talk) 18:14, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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