Talk:Airbus A380

Production dates

The "produced" parameter in the infobox currently says 2005–present. Given that the first complete airframe was unveiled on 18 January 2005, it seems unlikely that they started production in 2005, unless they built the entire aircraft in less than 18 days. This seems unrealistic, especially for the *first* airframe. It seems more likely that production started in 2003 or 2004.

edit: found evidence of production starting in 2003: [1] [2] ElshadK (talk) 21:48, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Prototypes aren't production aircraft, i.e. aircraft that will be used in regular operations or passed onto a client or end user. As a result they don't count for production dates. Production dates only cover the actual line production of end user targeted aircraft. Canterbury Tail talk 12:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

It did or it will. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Abdullah Al Manjur (talk) 14:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Stopping the production of Airbus A380

Airbus annonced lately that their production will stop sooon this year. This arcicle may need to be changed a bit with the production date.Wojciech 2020 (talk) 17:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

As per normal for aircraft it will stay as In Production until it ceases from the perspective of the Infobox etc. Once production has completely ceased we can do some updates. Canterbury Tail talk 20:45, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

ref?--Marc Lacoste (talk) 19:01, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

@Canterbury Tail: and Marc Lacoste: Not a RS for Wikipedia's purposes, but it seems that production has now ended. Would expect RSs to be reporting this soon. Mjroots (talk) 04:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

There will be an official last delivery press release.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 05:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

That tweet merely indicates that the final fuselage has been assembled. There's still a lot of work to do on that last plane, and for that matter there are eight others still to be delivered and that are presumably at various stages of completion. Rosbif73 (talk) 06:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

References

50 tonne Mini-freighter

Emirates modified an A380 to be a ‘mini-freighter’ with 50 tonnes of cargo rather than the usual 8-17 tonnes. It seems notable, but I can't find a suitable place in the article, perhaps "End of production". It doesn't seem to fit in "Secondary", "Teardown and second-hand market" or "Operators". Some B777 were also modified. Unclear if they are Combi aircraft. TGCP (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Nothing extraordinary. This is just a regular passenger A380 with the 175 m^3 bellyhold full (this would mean a Volumetric weight of 286kg/m^3, 43% more than the FedEx limit). Where did you read A380s were limited to 17t of freight?--Marc Lacoste (talk) 11:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

This article shows 8-17 tonnes cargo in 88m^3 (at the bottom of the article), from Emirates' images (click "Vis større bilder"). Depends on passenger number. Source is Norway engineering society. Here is the Emirates PR for the cargo charter flight, without numbers. The 88m³ option seems to be not covered in the wiki article, nor is a weight limit.

Hi Fly also used A380 as freighter, seats removed. Other examples. So while removal of seats are common during COVID, I had not seen it for A380. TGCP (talk) 13:37, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

• The 8-17 tonnes may just be what is left of its payload capacity with passenger and baggage weight removed. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:36, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Probably - the Emirates 777 numbers (16-21 tonnes in 125m³) also differ from its wiki-article (200m³). A "full passenger load" should include checked luggage, taking away available space and payload from freight. TGCP (talk) 19:46, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Airbus' ACAP states a 175.2 m3 cargo volume, and a 84t maximum payload (but then the density would be excessive at nearly 0.5). The 50t limit should come from the cargo hold floor limit. Anyway, nothing special.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2021

Put Qatar as a primary user because they brought them back to service. 50.233.15.242 (talk) 01:28, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Chart

The airbus is on the list of aircraft compared. Therefore the chart should be on the page in the specifications section. Kenixkil (talk) 02:56, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Doesnt matter that somebody has created an image we do not normally do comparisions and the image does not add anything to the article. i believe this was discussed and removed before. MilborneOne (talk) 10:24, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Last airbus is built

Article needs updating to reflect the final airbus is build and the type is out of production. 2601:285:8180:1A10:4526:85F0:C0B1:FB65 (talk) 06:08, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Any reference to support this claim? Ruslik_Zero 20:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

This is covered in the Lead and in one or two places in body of article, but maybe not in the best places or clearly enough. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I note a hidden comment recently added to the lead: Since the last A380 has been delivered, this para will be updated as soon as the O&D will be issued in January 2022. I'm well aware that we usually wait for the official O&D before updating delivery figures, but here we already have a clear reference for delivery of the final aircraft – in the previous paragraph of the lead, making it inconsistent. Why not update now? Rosbif73 (talk) 07:31, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Although waiting for the next O&D report to update the Orders and Deliveries section seems reasonable, I cant see why the last delivery couldnt be mentioned elsewhere if it has a reliable reference. It is unlikely that the O&D will actually say it is the last. MilborneOne (talk) 09:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Lede

@Ich-Du-De: - Would the phrase "with no hull losses" be acceptable in the lede. We can't say there have been no accidents, as there are two accidents with articles. Mjroots (talk) 04:22, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Better to say no hull loss accidents, i.e. no crashes (an accident does necessarily not mean a crash). I don't think this is really misleading, but I understand your concern. -Fnlayson (talk) 04:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, better to say "no hull loss accidents". Because, "hull loss" can be also an incident, e.g. an aircraft caught on fire during parking and was written off. I prefer "No accidents" in this regard as it is more general and strictly follow the definition of ICAO Annex 13, imho.Ich-Du-De (talk) 05:05, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

• The November 2010 event is classified as an accident due to damage per the entry in the Accidents and incidents section. -Fnlayson (talk) 05:10, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

OK, the "significant damage" in the ICAO Annex 13, point b, is actually a "grey zone". A contained engine failure is easily to be defined as an incident (white) but we have here an uncontained engine failure case and if the cited source defined it as an accident (black) then there is no other choice, except to follow it. I will revoke my "undid" to the edit of @Mjroots:, it there will be no more comments from other editors within one week. Ich-Du-De (talk) 05:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ich-Du-De: - I've tweaked the lede. Mjroots (talk) 05:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that User:Ich-Du-De. -Fnlayson (talk) 05:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

How many A380s are still in service? Article seems wrong

Of the 251 A380s delivered before manufacturing shut down, how many are still in service? The Operators section-lede says "There were 244 aircraft in service (of 249 delivered) with 16 operators as of 31 October 2021" (and 2 more new aircraft were delivered after October)

just below that, the Airbus_A380#Former operators subsection says "Air France operated 10... retired... Fly Malta operated 1 Airbus A380-800, retired... Lufthansa operated 14... retired"

So, with those 25 retired of the 251 total, the number 244 seems wildly more than 226. Also, have any other A380s been retired but not by "former" operators? 2603:8001:9500:9E98:0:0:0:9A7 (talk) 01:18, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

An-225 destruction makes A380 heaviest aircraft in the world

Should this be added to the page?