Talk:Nina Turner

Edit request from 76.250.190.255, 3 October 2011

No longer two judiciary. Now ranking member of single judiciary http://archives.legislature.state.oh.us/JournalText129/SJ-09-27-11.pdf.

76.250.190.255 (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 20:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Nina Turner's post-Sanders re-endorsement to Jill Stein and very probable want be Jill's VP ticket

Recently that The Washington Post or The Hill has she already re-endorsing to Jill Stein this last evening. 2606:A000:85C0:E00:61C1:7074:45E2:8D85 (talk) 04:45, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

References

Turner switching from Democrats to Independent

Is there a source for the statement "Turner, a former Democrat,"? Or "Independent (2016–present)"? Geekwonk (talk) 08:18, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

2024 presidential campaign

Nina Turner said on TYT she was considering running in 2024. This is publically expressing interest. Every time this is added to her page however, it is removed by an user who shall not be named but is widely known for removing properly-sourced content from the pages of left-wing figures. This is not BernieBro420 on YouTube doing a video with 25 views saying Turner should run, this is her herself declaring interest and should be included without further discussion. NDACFan (talk) 02:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey @NDACFan:, guesss what....6 months later this problem still exists, see article history and most recently see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nina_Turner&type=revision&diff=1013704070&oldid=1013702011 admin @Muboshgu: thinks he can revert things without explanation even when they were spoken by the person themselves and there are multiple valid sources: https://www.google.com/search?q=nina+turner+biden+shit&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS839US839&sxsrf=ALeKk03h5CGLSHdYdTggcufEsqsbQy7ltQ%3A1616529151164&ei=_0ZaYLevCcHl5NoP87-jwAE&oq=nina+turner+biden+shit&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgjELADECc6BAgjECdQujdYoERgiUZoAXAAeACAAViIAbADkgEBNpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwj3qsuumMfvAhXBMlkFHfPfCBgQ4dUDCA0&uact=5

Wiki has long had a reputation of those in power policiing articles on their left wing heroes to make them look flawless and here we have more proof of that 70.161.8.90 (talk) 19:54, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I need to give an explanation for reverting this, a clearly disruptive edit? I don't think so. If you really think the "bowl of shit" comment is noteworthy for including in this article, which I don't, find some consensus for it. And Nina Turner is running for Congress in 2021, not president in 2024. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

It's definitely noteworthy. It shows a key facet of her personality that is totally missing from from this whitewash of an article.70.161.8.90 (talk) 20:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

What "key facet of her personality" does it show? – Muboshgu (talk) 20:45, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Do I seriously have to explain that to you? SMH. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 21:31, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

All that it shows that I can see is that she wanted Bernie over Biden (which we knew) and that she's not above swearing. What else does it show? – Muboshgu (talk) 22:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

As somebody who is neither a fan or proponent of nina turner, the edit you linked, while certainly provocative in some way, is not patently disruptive. it is sourced from a major news outlet, and wikipedia isn't censored. there is no actual issue with it besides that it doesn't look right to you or is too jarring. of course it could be more tastefully integrated into the article, but again speaking from an outside point of view (I was simply looking up nina turner because I heard about her today; never seen this article before), and with the utmost respect, I think Muboshgu is being disruptive to this article. 17:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC) Violarulez (talk) 17:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

For the edification of those reading this and before Muboshgu unjustly reverts it, here's what we're talking about:

During this campaign and just a few weeks before the 2020 Democratic National Convention Turner made a degrading attack on eventual winner Joe Biden by comparing voting for Biden to "eating a bowl of sh-t."

"Degrading attack" is opinion, and does not fly. And it wasn't me who reverted that edit. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

References

But you support it. And how on earth is comparing someone to shit NOT degrading? You guys are fucked up. No wonder wiki has such a crappy reputation.70.161.8.90 (talk) 22:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

No personal attacks please. The way to win inclusion of contested material is to gather consensus here on the talk page, so insults don’t help that conversation advance. Innisfree987 (talk) 22:50, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to note she was no supporter of the Biden campaign. The more colorful version seems ... gratuitous? Go Phightins! 23:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Was just about to post to say same. It’s clear who she supported, fervently, in the campaign. Not sure “she said a swear” about it is relevant to an encyclopedic biography. AllegedlyHuman, Muboshgu, do you have views here? Innisfree987 (talk) 23:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

It's definitely better without the editorializing. With you and Go Phightins supporting inclusion of the quote itself, that goes away to establishing a consensus in favor of it. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:51, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh: sorry I wasn’t clear. I don’t think I support the inclusion, and I didn’t think Go Phightins did either, altho maybe they can clarify. For my part I just didn’t revert because edit warring is too exhausting. Innisfree987 (talk) 00:48, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Innisfree987, Sorry if my comment was ambiguous. I think it's probably worth noting. Most of the coverage I read of Turner is in the context of her being part of the liberal wing of the Democratic party and having been a Sanders supporter through-and-through. I don't feel super strongly about it, but it seems fair to note that she is out of the mainstream to the point that she characterized voting for Biden and for Trump as two sides of the same coin. The original source, for what it's worth, is The Atlantic. Go Phightins! 01:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I definitely read your comments as both of you supporting inclusion, so I appreciate the clarity. I don't think it's in doubt that she's such a strong Bernie supporter. The quote doesn't seem to me to add much other than that sort of color, but I do see the arguments to include it. IP, this is why its better to discuss these things without edit warring. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:03, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Go Phightins, thanks so much for the original context, that makes me think we still have not actually captured it in the way the entry currently characterizes it, if we do keep it. And for my money it’s more interesting/“encyclopedic” than the simple fact of the invective. Hm. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:54, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm more passive on it. It's an interesting quote, especially given that she's a Democrat, and seems to have received a fair bit of press. However, most of these appear to be commentary pieces. There's absolutely no need for giving our opinion on it, certainly, through such phrases such as "degrading attack." Honestly, I see that as more offensive to Biden than Turner – a presidential nominee was being "degraded" by a former state senator because she said a naughty word? I doubt he ever heard of it to begin with. On that point, too, we should never censor material. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 00:53, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Whitewashing of this article

I came to this article to find a source for her support of Jill Stein, and I found it to be remarkably sanitized / whitewashed. No mention of her comments about Biden, no talk of Jill Stein, no acknowledgement of her actions which have (without value judgement here) put her outside of the mainstream of the Democratic party. To read this article, you'd think she was a boring political operative turned viable candidate for public office. Does no one think that this is the result of whitewashing by editors who wish to paint her in a certain light to casual observers / potential voters? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.101.154 (talk) 10:15, May 25, 2021 (UTC)

You won't find a source for her support of Jill Stein in this article or anywhere else, because Nina Turner did not support Jill Stein. And her actions which have (without value judgement here) put her outside of the mainstream of the Democratic party is absolutely a value judgment. Read up on WP:NPOV, that's how we write these articles and focus on content, not contributors. There has been discussion on this talk page about her comments on Biden and there has been no consensus to include them. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

That's just another example of wiki's ever increasing far left wing bias.70.161.8.90 (talk) 01:49, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Facts are just another example of wiki's ever increasing far left wing bias? – Muboshgu (talk) 01:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Nina Turner did not support Jill Stein. We can't just make stuff up to make the article unbiased. TFD (talk) 02:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Are you certain that she didn't support Stein? I've got a video of them together (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_psWNTpnjc) that sure looks a lot like support. I don't really have a dog in this fight so I'm not going to look for an actually reputable source but to say that guy is just "making stuff up" seems bold. 2600:1700:27E:9B30:30F5:AA58:C2EF:9C6A (talk) 17:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Re that sure looks a lot like support: it's important to go beyond a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE to see what WP:SECONDARYSOURCES say. I Googled this, and it is apparently something called the "People's Convention" that was held in Philadelphia in July 2016. Chicagoist has a piece from beforehand that says Bernie supporters will gather ahead of the convention to attempt to direct the momentum of their progressive agenda ... Dubbed the “People's Convention,” the event will take place Saturday July 23 in Philadelphia and feature Green Party Presidential candidate Jill Stein and former Ohio State Senator Nina Turner as keynote speakers. It says nothing about Turner endorsing Stein's campaign though. That's the only mention of Turner. Regarding Stein, the article later says Many will likely swallow a bitter pill and cast a ballot for the former First Lady anyway, while others may go to Jill Stein or focus their efforts in other areas. Some of the pieces from after the event, like this from People's World, says Like Nina Turner, Green Party candidate, Jill Stein, spoke to thunderous applause in the afternoon plenary session. And while many of those present expressed a strong sentiment for Stein, some speakers from the floor emphasized that maximum unity is required to defeat Trump in November and that a Trump presidency would represent a huge setback to building the progressive movement for people’s needs. It does not seem that Turner said anything about who people should vote for. So, what we can say about Turner and Stein is that they spoke at the same event in 2016,and that's about it. We can't say that Turner supported Stein, because she didn't do anything to suggest this. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Political positions section needed!

Most (almost all) politicians have political positions listed for them. Even some individuals who have never ran for or served in political office (eg, Noam Chomsky). It's very important that it's clear what positions and proposed policies are supported by any given political candidate, so voters know what the candidate stands for, and what they can expect in terms of legislation, etc. MvL (talk) 22:34, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Political positions / what does she stand for?

There is still no Political positions section in her article, nor a Political positions of Nina Turner article.

Searching online, I've found very little useful information about what positions, policies, and interests she actually supports.

This is unacceptable. She's an active politician. Her Wikipedia article is nothing more than biographical information and the history of her career in politics. It offers no information with which to make an informed decision about whether to vote for her.

The first thing I do when deciding whether to support a candidate is research what they believe in, and what they've said they would do. Otherwise, you end up voting based on personality and likeability, or on mostly vague or empty labels like Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, or progressive. Voting like that is a major reason why democracies die.

Right now, she's a giant question mark. That's very bad, because it allows both people who like and dislike her to attribute whatever they want to her.

Can someone *please* fix this, and add information about her positions on the various issues, like we have for almost all politicians? MvL (talk) 20:18, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Political positions / what does she stand for?

There is still no Political positions section in her article, nor a Political positions of Nina Turner article.

Searching online, I've found very little useful information about what positions, policies, and interests she actually supports.

This is unacceptable. She's an active politician. Her Wikipedia article is nothing more than biographical information and the history of her career in politics. It offers no information with which to make an informed decision about whether to vote for her.

The first thing I do when deciding whether to support a candidate is research what they believe in, and what they've said they would do. Otherwise, you end up voting based on personality and likeability, or on mostly vague or empty labels like Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, or progressive. Voting like that is a major reason why democracies die.

Right now, she's a giant question mark. That's very bad, because it allows both people who like and dislike her to attribute whatever they want to her.

Can someone *please* fix this, and add information about her positions on the various issues, like we have for almost all politicians? MvL (talk) 20:19, 6 March 2022 (UTC)