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Incitement of violence online

@GBRV: An account is whitewashing organizations mentioned in the new Vice article, which describes the incitement of violence online by NCOSE and Exodus Cry. Changes reverted as no rationale for hiding this information from a known national source from the public was provided. EffortMoose (talk) 22:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

‎Removing unsubstantiated claims (no link to NCSE was proven in the article) is not "whitewashing". Wikipedia's rules do not allow unsubstantiated claims against living people. ThadeusOfNazereth's edits are an improvement, but that Vice article is still problematic because it alleges that Neo-Nazi posts with no established connection to this organization are somehow proof that the organization itself is inspiring death threats - a non-sequitur. Additionally, we're not supposed to just toss in every single allegation made by every single media outlet, especially since Wikipedia is not the "daily news" but rather an encyclopedia that is mostly supposed to cite academic sources while covering the overall sweep of events rather than a day-by-day accounting of what each side happens to be claiming that day. This is basic stuff. GBRV (talk) 19:55, 14 April 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCK comments stricken[reply]

I completely agree with GBRV. EffortMoose's edits do not seem to follow Wikipedia policy. HelpfulPi (talk) 20:23, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The site described is accurate as to the nature and history of the organization. Morality in Media is operated as a lobby and as such I feel that it is pertinent to identify the organization as represented by its' chief executive, Patrick A. Truman, as a registered lobby. Thank you, GCM

Which is fine if your reference actually did that. I reverted it once before because it didn't actually lead to anything that identified Mr. Truman or MIM as lobbyists. Is there a better link you could provide? Wikipelli ^Talk 02:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Patrick Trueman

This reference appeared in the introduction https://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/1943664/yahoo-slammed-porn-sites

I have deleted it. It refers to him as a lobbyist (a) in 2001 and (b) for the American Family Association. patsw (talk) 03:22, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mission Statement

This is one of the strangest editing disputes I have had. There's a slight difference in wording of the identical idea from this organization's main page and its about page.

https://endsexualexploitation.org

EXPOSING THE SEAMLESS CONNECTION BETWEEN ALL FORMS OF SEXUAL EXPLOITATION. (their caps, not mine)

So my edit makes the mission ...which seeks to expose the seamless connection between all forms of sexual exploitation.

ChiveFungi chose from

https://endsexualexploitation.org/about/

The National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE) is the leading national organization exposing the links between all forms of sexual exploitation such as child sexual abuse, prostitution, sex trafficking and the public health crisis of pornography

CF's edit changes the mission to ...exposing the links between all forms of sexual exploitation

So what's the difference in meaning here that justifies this edit? patsw (talk) 16:46, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't clear to me whether your version was a quotation or paraphrasing. My intention was not to change the quote but to put in a quote that's obviously a quote (i.e. with quotation marks and a citation). The one on the about page just happened to be the one I found. Feel free to use any other quote (updating the citation if necessary). --ChiveFungi (talk) 18:20, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is NCOSE part of the the Christian Right?

Or does the Christian Left opposed the goals of the NCOSE?

It seems that sexual exploitation is common ground for all Christians as a matter of social justice. The characterization of NCOSE as on the right politically seems without evidence from the web site itself. If NCOSE is on the right, is every non-profit opposed to sexual exploitation on the right? Is the Me Too movement a movement of the right? Is the Left opposed (or indifferent) to ending sexual exploitation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patsw (talk • contribs)

I removed it from See Also. I couldn't find any source declaring it to be part of the Christian Right. If there's a source or even a reasoned opinion for relating it to the Christian Right, I'm open to discussion. patsw (talk) 20:39, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I simply condensed the see also section to just include a link to religious views on pornography as I feel that is more appropriate Mfernflower (talk) 04:38, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DSM-5-TR

DSM-5-TR, incoming in March 2022, is expected to give the lie to the pornography public health crisis, and thus to the 16 US states legislatures which adopted such resolutions. Sorry, elected politicians, US psychiatrists have spit upon your parliamentary resolutions. tgeorgescu (talk) 18:52, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Care to unpack this a bit for those of us not in the loop? — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 19:14, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HandThatFeeds: Yup, Nicole Prause has tweeted that DSM-5-TR rejects porn addiction, sex addiction and compulsive sexual behavior disorder.

Namely, DSM-5 was revised (version + "TR"). Still no pornography, sex addiction, sex compulsion, etc. There remains insufficient evidence of the existence of these as independent pathologies. psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.pn.2022.1.20 tgeorgescu (talk) 19:42, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aha, interesting. Good to know, thank you! — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 19:54, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HandThatFeeds: DSM-5-TR, published in March 2022, does not recognize a diagnosis of sexual addiction (which would include internet pornography viewing).^[1]^[2] tgeorgescu (talk) 15:33, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This means that the scientific debate thereupon has been closed until the 2030s. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@X-Editor: DSM-5-TR gives the lie to pornography as a public health crisis.

American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, and American Society of Addiction Medicine do not recognize such "public health crisis". tgeorgescu (talk) 23:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you replying to me? I never said anything here. X-Editor (talk) 02:44, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@X-Editor: You had removed the text with DSM-5-TR from the article. tgeorgescu (talk) 09:51, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't directly relevant to the group and the DSM-5-TR hadn't been released yet. But if the TR says that porn addiction is not a public health crisis, then this should be noted. X-Editor (talk) 18:03, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to ask, Would it not make sense here to add that the ICD-11, which mental health professionals can use in the US, does list "use of pornography" as one possible clinical feature of "Compulsive Sexual Disorder"? @HandThatFeeds Cadbury333 (talk) 16:19, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea why this was addressed to me. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 16:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thought you were part of the conversation as per the above. My error. Forgive me. Cadbury333 (talk) 17:02, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have just removed all the content from the lede which was cited to sources not discussing the NCSE. Article ledes aren't a platform for editorialising either about the subject, or on broader topics. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent solution. Cadbury333 (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ American Psychiatric Association (2022). "Conditions for Further Study". Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-5-TR(tm)). G - Reference,Information and Interdisciplinary Subjects Series. American Psychiatric Association Publishing. p. 916. ISBN 978-0-89042-576-3. Excessive use of the Internet not involving playing of online games (e.g., excessive use of social media, such as Facebook; viewing pornography online) is not considered analogous to Internet gaming disorder, and future research on other excessive uses of the Internet would need to follow similar guidelines as suggested herein. Excessive gambling online may qualify for a separate diagnosis of gambling disorder.
^ American Psychiatric Association (2022). "Substance-Related and Addictive Disorders". Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-5-TR(tm)). G - Reference,Information and Interdisciplinary Subjects Series. American Psychiatric Association Publishing. p. 543. ISBN 978-0-89042-576-3. In addition to the substance-related disorders, this chapter also includes gambling disorder, reflecting evidence that gambling behaviors activate reward systems similar to those activated by drugs of abuse and that produce some behavioral symptoms that appear comparable to those produced by the substance use disorders. Other excessive behavioral patterns, such as Internet gaming (see "Conditions for Further Study"), have also been described, but the research on these and other behavioral syndromes is less clear. Thus, groups of repetitive behaviors, sometimes termed behavioral addictions (with subcategories such as "sex addiction," "exercise addiction," and "shopping addiction"), are not included because there is insufficient peer-reviewed evidence to establish the diagnostic criteria and course descriptions needed to identify these behaviors as mental disorders.

[American_Psychiatric_Association_2022_ch._29-1] American Psychiatric Association (2022). "Conditions for Further Study". Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-5-TR(tm)). G - Reference,Information and Interdisciplinary Subjects Series. American Psychiatric Association Publishing. p. 916. ISBN 978-0-89042-576-3. Excessive use of the Internet not involving playing of online games (e.g., excessive use of social media, such as Facebook; viewing pornography online) is not considered analogous to Internet gaming disorder, and future research on other excessive uses of the Internet would need to follow similar guidelines as suggested herein. Excessive gambling online may qualify for a separate diagnosis of gambling disorder.

[American_Psychiatric_Association_2022_ch._19-2] American Psychiatric Association (2022). "Substance-Related and Addictive Disorders". Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-5-TR(tm)). G - Reference,Information and Interdisciplinary Subjects Series. American Psychiatric Association Publishing. p. 543. ISBN 978-0-89042-576-3. In addition to the substance-related disorders, this chapter also includes gambling disorder, reflecting evidence that gambling behaviors activate reward systems similar to those activated by drugs of abuse and that produce some behavioral symptoms that appear comparable to those produced by the substance use disorders. Other excessive behavioral patterns, such as Internet gaming (see "Conditions for Further Study"), have also been described, but the research on these and other behavioral syndromes is less clear. Thus, groups of repetitive behaviors, sometimes termed behavioral addictions (with subcategories such as "sex addiction," "exercise addiction," and "shopping addiction"), are not included because there is insufficient peer-reviewed evidence to establish the diagnostic criteria and course descriptions needed to identify these behaviors as mental disorders.

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 ::::::::Just wanted to ask, Would it not make sense here to add that the ICD-11, which mental health professionals can use in the US, does list "use of pornography" as one possible clinical feature of "[https://icd.who.int/browse11/l-m/en#/http%3a%2f%2fid.who.int%2ficd%2fentity%2f1630268048 Compulsive Sexual Disorder]"? @[[User:HandThatFeeds|HandThatFeeds]] [[User:Cadbury333|Cadbury333]] ([[User talk:Cadbury333|talk]]) 16:19, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 :::::::::I have no idea why this was addressed to me. &mdash; <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 16:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
+::::::::::Thought you were part of the conversation as per the above. My error. Forgive me. [[User:Cadbury333|Cadbury333]] ([[User talk:Cadbury333|talk]]) 17:02, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 I have just removed all the content from the lede which was cited to sources not discussing the NCSE. Article ledes aren't a platform for editorialising either about the subject, or on broader topics. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 16:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)