Talk:List of video games considered the best

How to add more games

It’s been asked by many, many people in the past, and answered by others constantly. So, to reduce the need to ask and answer, I’ll remind the newcomers of what they need to do. To all who are new to this page, and to all who are new to Wikipedia as a whole, there are criteria on the top of the main article. There is also a "Frequently asked questions" box immediately above this section. Read the criteria first, thoroughly, and you’ll find the instructions. If it is not clear enough, feel free to read the FAQ box. BlueBlurHog (talk) 19:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC) Revised: BlueBlurHog (talk) 01:48, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

In addition, if you want to look at how many publications have been highlighted for certain games that may not be on the article yet, you can checkout this spreadsheet. BlueBlurHog (talk) 17:15, 16 March 2022 (UTC) Revised: BlueBlurHog (talk) 18:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Lists

The omnibus list data is located here; use the headers at the left to jump to the list(s) you want to check. Phediuk (talk) 19:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Fallout 3 and GTA V?

I would like to know what is the criteria for evaluating or what constitutes as the “greatest” games. To my knowledge, both Fallout: New Vegas and Red Dead Redemption 2 are held in much higher regard (by both gamers and critics, alike) than Fallout 3 and GTA V. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.47.152.77 (talk) 14:02, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

The criteria is outlined atop this page. – Rhain ☔ 14:03, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Commodore 64

Not one single game on this list originating from the most popular home computer of all time, the Commodore 64? It was THE "indie game" computer of its time, and the de facto gaming machine in Europe for many years in the 80s and early 90s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jabdah (talk • contribs) 08:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Not one single C64 game is on the page, because there haven’t been enough sources to justify such existence. It’s been said multiple times before; the criteria for video game inclusion is on the top of the main article. Read it thoroughly, because you may have missed something important, like first you need to cite six different credible publishers of already-existing lists (like from IGN, EGM, Entertainment Weekly) before certain games can be added. BlueBlurHog (talk) 01:34, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism

I’ve seen people add games without the proper citations before, so I must ask; how exactly is this page constantly prone to vandalism? I’m not even allowed to edit the article, so how are strangers able to arbitrarily add games in? BlueBlurHog (talk) 01:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Unsourced or improperly sourced edits are not WP:Vandalism. -- ferret (talk) 02:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Fine, I’ll rephrase.

I’ve noticed that people are able to simply add games that they want onto the page, only for them to be undone later. However, I tried to click the edit button just see what happens, and I don’t have that kind of permission. That’s a good thing, but why and how are a select bunch of strangers able to make these edits only for them to be undone afterwards? BlueBlurHog (talk) 15:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Scratch that, I completely misinterpreted the lock icon. My mistake. But still, I clicked the real edit button, just to see what happens, and I had full permission to edit. How is it that permission is not more restricted? BlueBlurHog (talk) 15:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Because disruption is not at a level that warrants a higher protection level. -- ferret (talk) 16:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Old sources unreliable?

Looking through the omnibus data, I can't help but notice that some of these lists are well...old. In fact, the oldest were created almost 27 years ago, older than most Wikipedia editors. I think it's not unfair to say that these lists are lacking some much needed perspective, given that the games listed are lacking a dimension. I believe that these lists should be removed and replaced with more recent lists, or at the very least given less weight than lists published last year, because at the moment this page has a very clear anti-recency bias in the games selected. For example, 13 of the games listed are from 1993 alone, while 0 are from 2018-2022. 216.154.44.171 (talk) 03:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

On the contrary if we only include newer sources, the list will be biased toward more modern games. No, the fact that the sources are old and published when the industry was younger doesn't make them less reliable. Neocorelight (Talk) 03:53, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I disagree. If we take IGN's 2021 list of the top 100 Videogames, you'll see quite a few that aren't at all recent. On the other hand, an old list such as the one by Flux, you will not find a single game more recent than the early 90s. Perhaps an article called "List of Video Games considered the best (1971-1995)" would be interesting, but that's not the point of this article. If a game has truly stood the test of time, like Donkey Kong, Goldeneye 007,Super Mario World, or Half-Life, it will continue to appear on best of all time lists as these games have. Aleaniled (talk) 21:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the thoughts. I agree with Neocorelight; reliable critical opinions don't have an expiration date. Newer games haven't appeared on very many lists yet, but well, yeah, they're new. There's no rush here; we can add newer games as they appear on new lists. Phediuk (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

This article rarely gets new games added.

Why are games being consider the best hard to put here? It’s practically never been updated since BOTW was out here. Kramirez0113 (talk) 12:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Because publications and gaming sites rarely make new lists, I guess. Neocorelight (Talk) 12:14, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Kramirez0113: The article is updated all the time—there are two lists from 2021, for example—but no game since 2017 has managed to fit the criteria yet. I'm sure there'll be more soon enough. – Rhain ☔ 12:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I personally can't wait for Red Dead Redemption 2, God of War 2018, and Half-Life: Alyx to be added to the list. All of those games are in the latest IGN list. Neocorelight (Talk) 12:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Where tf is Mario Odyssey Kramirez0113 (talk) 14:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

It's on five lists. I'm sure it'll be eligible soon. – Rhain ☔ 15:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Underrated

This topic is very good and underrated. I wish this topic be updated to 2022 Hakimehsasani (talk) 20:02, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Potential list for inclusion

Digitally Downloaded (which is listed under WP:VGRS as reliable) made a list of the "100 canonical games" apparently dated to 2016, but it's clearly a top 100 list. http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2016/09/the-top-100-of-all-time-how-many-have.html for the full list, with write-ups earlier at http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2016/09/the-100-canonical-games-10-1.html ,http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2016/09/the-100-canonical-games-20-11.html , etc. Any objections to including it? SnowFire (talk) 23:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

• Unless the author has questions about his reliability (not saying he does), then I don't see any other reason why this couldn't be added. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:29, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
• I support including it. Neocorelight (Talk) 04:28, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
• Nice work finding this. Looks like it meets all criteria, so I'll go ahead and incorporate it. Transcription below:

Digitally Downloaded, 2016

1. Nier 2. Persona 4 3. Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc 4. Doom (1993) 5. Minecraft 6. Metal Gear Solid 7. Earthbound 8. Eternal Darkness 9. No Man's Sky 10. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 11. Civilization 2 12. Beyond Good & Evil 13. Chrono Trigger 14. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 15. Super Mario 64 16. Animal Crossing 17. Soulcalibur 2 18. The Sims 19. Catherine 20. Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth 21. Fatal Frame 2 22. Final Fantasy X 23. Journey 24. Life is Strange 25. Mass Effect 2 26. Mega Man 2 27. Dragon Age: Origins 28. Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade 29. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 30. Samurai Warriors 3 31. Pokemon Red and Blue 32. Simcity 2000 33. Spec Ops: The Line 34. Pac-Man 35. Papers, Please 36. Final Fantasy 6 37. Metroid Prime 38. 1979 Revolution: Black Friday 39. Ori and the Blind Forest 40. Street Fighter 2 41. Bound 42. Yakuza 5 43. American McGee's Alice 44. To the Moon 45. Day of the Tentacle 46. Pokemon Gold and Silver 47. Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE 48. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 49. Final Fantasy Tactics 50. Double Dragon 51. Magic Carpet 52. Heavy Rain 53. Gauntlet 54. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 55. Half-Life 56. Tetris 57. Kingdom Hearts 58. Little King's Story 59. Garou: Mark of the Wolves 60. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis 61. Pandora's Tower 62. Super Mario Bros. 3 63. Nethack 64. The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind 65. Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour 66. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 67. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door 68. Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure 69. Valkyria Chronicles 70. Mario Kart 64 71. Suikoden 2 72. Shadow of the Colossus 73. Prince of Persia (1989) 74. Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 75. Yoshi's Island 76. Star Wars: TIE Fighter 77. Super International Cricket 78. Steins;Gate 79. Rock Band 80. Road Rash 81. Wild Arms 3 82. The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings 83. Super Smash Bros. Melee 84. The Last of Us 85. Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos 86. Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord 87. Tales from the Borderlands 88. The Walking Dead: Season 1 89. The Wolf Among Us 90. WWF No Mercy 91. Baldur's Gate 92. Hatsune Miku: Future Tone 93. King's Field 4 94. Space Invaders 95. Lollipop Chainsaw 96. Xenogears 97. Europa Universalis 4 98. Goldeneye (1997) 99. Dark Sun: Wake of the Ravager 100. Gregory Horror Show

Will incorporate this into the main page shortly. The new additions will be Eternal Darkness, Pokemon Gold and Silver, Heavy Rain, Suikoden II, and Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos. Phediuk (talk) 18:18, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Done. I have also added the Digitally Downloaded list to the omnibus data. Phediuk (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Phediuk! Neocorelight (Talk) 23:54, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I've also updated the Omnibus Data Visualised document. --BenSPVE (talk) 19:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Easy Allies & GameRevolution

I read through WP:VGRS , and Easy Allies is an reliable source. I searched, and found https://forums.easyallies.com/topic/4820/allies-what-are-your-top-10-games-of-all-time-name-one-game-per-franchise. Although I’m curious if this list meets the criteria for inclusion as a source for THIS page, because the very title of it says “One game per franchise.” Is this too exclusive of a source? BlueBlurHog (talk) 01:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

If so, I found a second one, which is also listed under WP:VGRS as reliable: https://www.gamerevolution.com/features/1995-the-greatest-games-of-alltime. Of course, is this source also acceptable for this particular article? BlueBlurHog (talk) 01:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

You know what, I found a third article that I’d like checked. It’s not on WP:VGRS, similarly to Tony Mott’s “1000 Video Games You Must Play Before You Die” book, but even if it were, I am unsure if this one from PBS should be included, as it claims to have asked “some notable gamers (some of which are big names in video game history) to share their lists of hits and bombs.” BlueBlurHog (talk) 02:04, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

EasyAllies list is not reliable. It's from their forums so is WP:USERG. While GameRevolution is a reliable source, the list is short and may not have any major impact. The PBS source is no good. It is not a compiled and editorially reviewed list, but a random selection of "expert gamers" from the industry simply stating their favorites and least favorites. One of them says they don't play games and let their 13 year old grandson submit the list. -- ferret (talk) 02:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

BlueBlurHog, the GameRevolution list can be used, although it won't add anything to the list. Neocorelight (Talk) 06:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Adding the original developers for each game

It seems odd to me that only the games' publishers are listed, and not their original developers, despite the developers doing the main heavy-lifting for the creative process of each game. How would everyone feel about adding another column to list the original developers of each game (i.e. Remedy Entertainment for Max Payne, HAL Laboratory for Super Smash Bros. Melee, PlatinumGames for Bayonetta, Turtle Rock Studios for Left 4 Dead, etc.)

--Anonymouseditor2k19 (talk) 07:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

It's an issue that's come up before (archives search). I'm personally not a fan. The two biggest reasons: Table bloat is a thing. Every column needs to justify why it's relevant for a table, especially with many viewers seeing the article on small mobile displays. This requires discipline to avoid adding Every Interesting True Detail as a separate column. Developer is interesting for some games, yes, but, someone interested in the developer or many other facts about the game can just click on the wikilink to the game's article. For this particular article, the important thing is the game itself. The second reason is that developer isn't always clear. Many old games don't have a separate developer studio or just have in-house studio teams, some games do have a separate developer but they don't matter or even have articles, and some modern games have multiple developers (one studio does the PC port, another studio does the DLC, etc.). So even if the information was deemed important enough to include, is it simple enough to really fit in the table accurately? For every Mass Effect 2 where there's a simple and relevant answer like "BioWare", there'll be something like GTAIV, where the answer is the uninteresting "Rockstar North, Rockstar Toronto, Rockstar New England" which says little beyond yeah, Rockstar Games did it. SnowFire (talk) 09:48, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Eurogamer or Guinness

This is not a list I want added, but I’m perplexed. Do I credit this as going to Guinness Book of World Records, or Eurogamer?

On the one hand, it’s from Eurogamer’s own website.

On the other hand, it says the list if from Guinness.

The article also says “The list was decided on by ‘a crack team of industry experts’ and some girl called Ellie.” Ellie being the author of the very article.

It’s nit my interest that this list be added, I just want to know who this lost gets credited to, and at the very least if it is one more source to add to the trash barrel. BlueBlurHog (talk) 12:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I assume Eurogamer and/or the author was part of the "crack team of industry experts", and the "some girl called Ellie" is just a bit of light self-deprecation—she says later in the article that she "helped write" the book. If it were to be added, I'd say credit Guinness as the publication, but use the Eurogamer article as the reference. I'd be more interested to see who else was part of the "crack team" of experts, though. – Rhain ☔ 00:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Just for the record, the Guinness list is explicitly for console games only, and it's also framed as the most influential/important games rather than best or greatest. Phediuk (talk) 01:12, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Gematsu & Howchoo

I found a Gematsu list from 2021. Even though it says here, WP:VGRS that Gematsu is reliable, having learned from past experiences, I’d like some feedback about it. BlueBlurHog (talk) 02:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I also found this. Howchoo is not declared reliable by WP:VGRS like Gematsu, but because the article is written by the word of the author, I’m curious if it’s possible for inclusion. BlueBlurHog (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

videogamer.com is also declared a reliable source by WP:VGRS, and it just so happens to have a best games of all time list. Although, I can’t seem to find the publication date. Could somebody look at this in case I overlooked something? BlueBlurHog (talk) 03:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

The Gematsu one is just a report of a TV Asahi user poll, so it doesn't meet the criteria of inclusion.

I support the inclusion of Howchoo, although not listed at VGRS, the article and site looks professional. Neocorelight (Talk) 03:29, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Wait, I take that back. Howchoo looks like a community site. Neocorelight (Talk) 03:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

The videogamer.com one is just their list of games that they have scored a 10 on, meaning it was not curated and thus doesn't qualify for inclusion. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 08:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Eh, I gave them a shot. BlueBlurHog (talk) 13:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

• No to all. Gematsu is reporting a user poll, but even ignoring that, it's the top console games, which is not suitable. Howchoo looks community based, like a sort of Pinterest/how to site. Even if they weren't, I'd be concerned about a "top video games of all time" list with 0 comments on it. This indicates it's not a site with traffic as well. This is a random listicle buried in a bunch of user generated content. Their front page lists a "3d printing" category that has 75 "guides", 299 "subscribers", and 6 "contributors. This is definitely not a reliable source. As for Videogamer, Dissident has the right of it, this is just a database output and not curated. -- ferret (talk) 14:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Need to add more publications

Like seriously, the fact that there is not even a single game from past 5 years proves newer publications and magazines needs to be added in consideration. Games like red dead redemption 2, Fallout New Vegas, God of war, hades, disco Elysium and many other games deserve this spot , more than many old and forgotten games mentioned in this list. Shank19112000 (talk) 19:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome to propose new lists if you find any that fit the criteria. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 20:03, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

The problem isn't that we're unwilling to add new lists, but no such valid lists have appeared recently. -- ferret (talk) 22:11, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

New qualifying lists are added as they appear; for instance, there are two from 2021, and four from 2020. More recent games haven't appeared on very many lists yet because, well, yeah, they're recent. There's no rush here; newer games will be added as they meet the criteria. Phediuk (talk) 00:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

If your concern is newer games, then it’s best to wait and see if they stand the test of time, as arbitrary and unspecific as it may sound, and then find publications which cite those games as the best—of all time. If your concern is newer lists, then the only lists that will appear here are ones released by reliable sources. You can find some on WP:VGRS, but there’s no guarantee you’ll find a new list instantly. Just keep looking and you’ll find something. BlueBlurHog (talk) 19:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Elden Ring

Elden Ring (2022) is one of the best reviewed games of all time by now. I believe it's time that it is included on this list. Thank you 190.237.54.50 (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

It has not appeared in any lists that fit the criteria, so no, it is not time. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 17:03, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Super Mario sunshine and odyssey anyone?

I feel like these games should be on here, ngl. Kramirez0113 (talk) 05:02, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

They don't fit the criteria. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 06:09, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Congratulations on Odyssey btw. 182.1.72.243 (talk) 03:16, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

GamesTM 2018 List

I found a GamesTM Top 200 list from 2018 that seems to meet the inclusion criteria. I can post the rankings if it's eligible.

https://www.gamesradar.com/gamestm-200-is-here-the-200-greatest-games-of-all-time-revealed/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnnecessarySuggestions (talk • contribs) 17:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Nice work digging this up. The list seems promising based on this preamble, but I have not been able to view the full 200 entries yet, and so cannot transcribe it. Anyone have it? Phediuk (talk) 20:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You need to buy a copy in order to access it (https://pocketmags.com/us/games-tm-magazine-2/issue-200), so if anyone is willing to chalk up $3.99, please do so. Or even better, finding a copy online that doesn't require any money to be spent. --Anonymouseditor2k19 (talk) 20:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I was able to get access to the magazine via a free trial. Should I just copy the list here or are images needed somehow as evidence? Thanks. --BenSPVE (talk) 22:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll do the transcription if you can provide the images. Thank you. Phediuk (talk) 23:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Well I figure we will need a list either way so here we go:

List:

Games TM 2018

200. Pong 199. Kentucky Route Zero 198. Ducktales 197. Manic Miner 196. Project Gotham Racing 3 195. Elite 194. Space Invaders 193. Hitman: Blood Money 192. Boktai: The Sun is In Your Hands 191. Until Dawn 190. Shenmue 189. Populous 188. Rainbow Six Siege 187. Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe 186. Bubble Bobble 185. Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 184. Snatcher 183. Ultima Online 182. Outrun 2006: Coast to Coast 181. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 180. Titanfall 179. Crash Bandicoot 178. SSX Tricky 177. Crazy Taxi 176. Resogun 175. Worms 174. Rocket League 173. The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay 172. Rez 171. Gunstar Heroes 170. UFO: Enemy Unknown 169. Fable II 168. NBA Jam 167. Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory 166. Galaga 165. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain 164. Heavy Rain 163. STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl 162. Ori and the Blind Forest 161. Life is Strange 160. Thief: The Dark Project 159. Sleeping Dogs 158. Sonic CD 157. WarioWare: Twisted! 156. Double Dragon 155. Command & Conquer: Red Alert 154. Kingdom Hearts II 153. Wipeout 2097 152. Divinity: Original Sin II 151. Team Fortress 2 150. The House of The Dead 2 149. Hotline Miami 148. Far Cry 3 147. Peggle 146. Robotron 2084 145. Fallout 144. Eternal Darkness 143. Towerfall: Ascension 142. Persona 4 141. Company of Heroes 140. Metal Slug 139. F-Zero GX 138. Beneath a Steel Sky 137. Guitar Hero II: Legends of Rock 136. The World Ends with You 135. R-Type III: The Third Lightning 134. Ico 133. Bayonetta 132. Super Meat Boy 131. Jet Set Radio Future 130. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 129. Viewtiful Joe 128. Mega Man 2 127. Shovel Knight 126. Viva Pinata 125. Okami 124. Rock Band 123. Tomb Raider 122. Borderlands 121. Fallout 3 120. Papers, Please 119. Fire Emblem (GBA) 118. Katamari Damacy 117. Super Mario Galaxy 116. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind 115. Araknoid 114. The Stanley Parable 113. The Walking Dead: Season One 112. Assassin's Creed II 111. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 110. Day of the Tentacle 109. League of Legends 108. Spelunky 107. Stardew Valley 106. Another World 105. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker 104. Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 103. Time Crisis II 102. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening 101. Hitman 2: Silent Assassin 100. Gone Home 99. LittleBigPlanet 2 98. Demon's Souls 97. Minecraft 96. Simcity 95. XCOM: Enemy Unknown 94. Burnout 3: Takedown 93. Bioshock Infinite 92. Super Mario 64 91. Civilization IV 90. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 89. Rome: Total War 88. Streets of Rage 2 87. GTA IV 86. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 85. Braid 84. Overcooked 83. Lemmings 82. Halo: Reach 81. Contra III: The Alien Wars 80. System Shock 2 79. FTL: Faster than Light 78. Earthbound 77. Final Fantasy Tactics 76. Street Fighter III: Third Strike 75. Jade Empire 74. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos 73. Super Bomberman 72. Goldeneye: 007 71. Dishonored 2 70. Left 4 Dead 69. Alien: Isolation 68. Final Fantasy VII 67. Horizon Zero Dawn 66. What Remains of Edith Finch 65. Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes 64. Bastion 63. Advance Wars 62. Portal 2 61. God of War III 60. Pac-Man: Championship Edition 59. Gears of War 58. Quake III: Arena 57. The Oregon Trail 56. Super Mario Bros. 55. Animal Crossing 54. Deus Ex 53. Counter-Strike 52. Planescape: Torment 51. Donkey Kong 50. Metroid Prime 49. Super Mario Sunshine 48. GTA III 47. Final Fantasy VIII 46. Sonic the Hedgehog 45. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 44. Silent Hill 2 43. Super Mario Kart 42. The Secret of Monkey Island 41. Dead Space 2 40. The Sims 2 39. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 38. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 37. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 36. Resident Evil 35. Super Mario Odyssey 34. Journey 33. Batman: Arkham Asylum 32. Halo: Combat Evolved 31. Diablo II 30. Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting 29. Doom 28. Inside 27. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 26. Red Dead Redemption 25. Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence 24. Super Mario World 23. Chrono Trigger 22. Bloodborne 21. Half-Life 2 20. GTA V 19. Final Fantasy VI 18. Starcraft 17. The Witcher III: Wild Hunt 16. Shadow of the Colossus 15. Fez 14. Bioshock 13. Mass Effect 2 12. The Last of Us 11. Super Metroid 10. Tetris 9. World of Warcraft 8. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 7. Resident Evil 4 6. Super Mario Bros. 3 5. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 4. Portal 3. Pokemon Red & Blue 2. Metal Gear Solid 1. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

BenSPVE (talk) 23:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I also have an album of pictures of the magazine here: https://imgur.com/a/XpRyg3r Let me know if you need anything else. --BenSPVE (talk) 23:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Well done. I'm going to look over the list before incorporating it, but, assuming everything checks out, looks like Populous, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay, Gunstar Heroes, Wipeout 2097, Far Cry 3, The World Ends With You, League of Legends, Stardew Valley, Demon's Souls, XCOM: Enemy Unknown, Bioshock Infinite, Streets of Rage 2, Contra III: The Alien Wars, The Sims 2, and Super Mario Odyssey will all be added to the main list. Phediuk (talk) 23:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Whoa, that's a lot of addition. 182.1.90.163 (talk) 23:01, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

The album appears to start at entry 200. Was there a previous page introducing the list or talking about how they chose? If you can provide please, as it may help cement that the list is proper (I.e. there weren't any weird conditions like "console only", though I think we're good there.) -- ferret (talk) 00:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

This seems to be the only preface: https://imgur.com/a/Jr4EphU which I believe does fit the criteria? BenSPVE (talk) 01:17, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Yep, that clinches it. Much appreciated. I'll incorporate the list within the next day. Phediuk (talk) 01:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Done. Phediuk (talk) 08:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I've also updated the Visualised Data Table. Maybe we could put this at the top of the page along with the regular list? Might give more encouragement for people to check before requesting games with no extra data to add. BenSPVE (talk) 17:24, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

It's listed in the FAQ under the first question. But if you can make it more visible then go ahead. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:57, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I didn't expect such a quick response. It seems like everyone else has this covered, but I also have access to the magazine if anything more is needed.UnnecessarySuggestions (talk) 16:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Percentage rather than arbitrary cutoff?

I find the cutoff at 6 mentions quite arbitrary. Wouldn't it make more sense to record for each game the percentage of lists that it appears on, and to let the list be sorted by that metric? Since lists are differently long, I would compute a separate metric for "percentage of top-100 lists". (To save some work, this needn't be expressed as a percentage either, but could just be the absolute number of mentions so long as the number of lists included is clearly stated. The data is there already, in the reference column, but that can't be used to sort or select on...) Better yet, one might correct for the age of a game by displaying the percentage of lists *since its release* that it appeared on. (That would have to be a percentage or an "X of Y" though since the number of lists considered would vary between games...) 2A02:8109:B640:1518:E958:B8F2:2110:5BC0 (talk) 07:44, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you suggesting that we name every game that has ever appeared on one of these lists, and sort them by percentage of inclusion? That would be over 1,700 games. – Rhain ☔ 09:56, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Percentage is just as arbitrary. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:25, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Edge's 100 Best Games of All Time (2000)

I've perused the four older Edge lists (2000, 2003, 2007, 2009) to see if any of them are usable. The 2003 list is just a bunch of top 10s for different genres; the 2007 list uses reader votes; and the 2009 list seems to treat "Best Games to Play Today" as a different thing from "best of all time" in its preamble. So, no to all of those. However, the 2000 list from issue #80, titled "The 100 Best Games of All Time", meets all criteria: best games ever, staff-chosen, no platform/genre restrictions, and, being Edge, RS. Segaretro has conveniently preserved the issue here; the list starts on page 52.

Edge 2000

1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 2. Super Mario 64 3. Goldeneye (1997) 4. Tetris 5. Gran Turismo 6. Quake II 7. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 8. Street Fighter II 9. Half-Life 10. Super Mario World 11. Pokemon Red and Blue 12. Civilization II 13. Final Fantasy VII 14. Super Metroid 15. Puyo Puyo 16. Metal Gear Solid 17. Super Bomberman 18. Super Mario Kart 19. Tekken 3 20. Tomb Raider (1996) 21. Total Annihilation 22. Grand Prix 2 23. X-COM: Terror from the Deep 24. Final Fantasy Tactics 25. Nights into Dreams 26. Simcity 2000 27. Anna Kournikova’s Smash Court Tennis 28. Tempest 2000 29. Starcraft 30. Soul Calibur 31. ISS Pro Evolution 32. Resident Evil (1996) 33. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 34. International Track & Field 35. Pilotwings 64 36. Colin McRae Rally 37. Bust-a-Move 2 38. Doom II 39. Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter 40. Hidden & Dangerous 41. 1080 Snowboarding 42. Secret of Mana 43. Sega Rally Championship 44. Star Fox 64 45. Wave Race 64 46. R4: Ridge Racer Type 4 47. Ultima Online 48. The Secret of Monkey Island 49. Robotron 2084 50. R-Type 51. Sonic Adventure 52. Bubble Bobble 53. Outrun 54. Stunt Car Racer 55. Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe 56. Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament 57. Death Tank 58. Daytona USA 59. Sensible Soccer 60. Sonic the Hedgehog 61. Virtua Fighter 2 62. The Need For Speed 63. Elite 64. Defender 65. Head Over Heels 66. Super Sprint 67. Mercenary 68. The Sentinel 69. Exile (1988) 70. Grand Theft Auto 71. Shinobi (1987) 72. Contra III: The Alien Wars 73. Rampart 74. Pac-Man 75. Galaga 76. Bomb Jack 77. Return Fire 78. Chu Chu Rocket 79. Gauntlet II 80. NHL ’98 81. Marble Madness 82. Populous II 83. Super Pang 84. Thrust 85. Legend of the Mystical Ninja 86. Xenogears 87. Gradius 88. Lemmings 89. Asteroids 90. Paradroid 91. Boulder Dash 2 92. Wipeout 93. Strider (arcade) 94. NBA Jam 95. Syndicate (1993) 96. Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom 97. Choplifter 98. Time Crisis 99. Solomon’s Key 100. Super Punch-Out!!

I'll go ahead and add this, if there are no objections. As a result of this list's incorporation, Total Annihilation will be added to the main list. Phediuk (talk) 05:39, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Done. Also added the list to the omnibus data. Phediuk (talk) 08:28, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Are there any games deleted as of now? BlueBlurHog (talk) 21:34, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi. What do you mean by deleted? Phediuk (talk) 23:14, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I mean since you replaced four sources with one, does that mean any games that were previously on the list taken down as a result? BlueBlurHog (talk) 21:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

He didn't replace any sources, he just added a new one. He evaluated four sources there weren't in use yet, but only one was suitable. -- ferret (talk) 22:01, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

There shouldn't be unless we increase to seven (or more) publications or one is found to have been added in error. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:38, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

The visualised data list has also been updated as of now. BenSPVE (talk) 23:39, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Popular Mechanics "The 100 Greatest Video Games of All Time"

It seems like Popular Mechanics may have updated their list of "The 100 Greatest Video Games of All Time", since apparently this list was published eight days ago according to the website. I may be mistaken here and this may be an older list that they decided to repost, but I'll leave it here in case if it's actually an updated version.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/gaming/g134/the-100-greatest-video-games-of-all-time/

--Anonymouseditor2k19 (talk) 22:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I can confirm this is their 2019 list; no changes. Phediuk (talk) 23:17, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

EGM Top 100 - 1997

So I found EGM's Top 100 list from 1997, and while it fits Wikipedia's criteria for selection (no input from readers, no limiting to one genre, etc.), there are still some oddities with the list, such as listing games twice due to them counting each version of a game as its own game (such as Mega Man X4's Saturn and PlayStation versions being listed separately rather than together). That being said, I'm gonna leave it here and see if it can be implemented into the list.

https://kirk.is/vgames/powerlist/egm100.html

--Anonymouseditor2k19 (talk) 00:33, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Apart from the fact that EGM ignores PC titles as a whole, that particular list does not include any console predating the NES, so it is ineligible. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 01:43, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Just to clarify, older platforms aren't specifically excluded from the list; the more important thing here is that EGM only covers console games. So, it will not be used here. Phediuk (talk) 02:13, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Index with a bunch of "Greatest Video Games" lists

I stumbled upon this index that has collected around 66 "greatest video game" lists. Some of these lists in question are already integrated into the main page, but I'm gonna leave this here in case if there's one or two lists from this index that aren't present and meet Wikipedia's standards.

https://www.videogamecanon.com/lists/

--Anonymouseditor2k19 (talk) 00:56, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

GamingBolt Top 30 (2022)

GamingBolt has released a new list of the top 30 games of all time. Source: https://gamingbolt.com/top-30-video-games-of-all-time -- Wrath X (talk) 11:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

At a glance, it looks like Undertale now meets the criteria threshold, with at least six different publications vouching for its prestige. Haleth (talk) 13:11, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Yep, this list looks good. Best games of all time, staff-chosen, no platform/genre/era restrictions, RS. Transcription:

GamingBolt, 2022

1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 2. Red Dead Redemption II 3. God of War (2018) 4. Half-Life 2 5. Elden Ring 6. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 7. Bloodborne 8. Grand Theft Auto V 9. Super Mario Odyssey 10. Resident Evil 2 (2019) 11. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty 12. The Last of Us 13. Persona 5 Royal 14. Hollow Knight 15. Hades 16. Horizon Forbidden West 17. Forza Horizon 5 18. Ori and the Will of the Wisps 19. Undertale 20. Silent Hill 3 21. Halo 3 22. Control 23. Portal 2 24. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 25. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec 26. Batman: Arkham City 27. Mass Effect 2 28. Shadow of the Colossus 29. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory 30. Burnout 3: Takedown

Once this list is incorporated, Undertale will be added to the main list. Will do so shortly. Phediuk (talk) 02:21, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Done. Also added the new list to the omnibus data. Phediuk (talk) 06:47, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

The visualised document has also been updated. BenSPVE (talk) 15:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I think God of War 2018 and RDR2 both now qualify for the list too, right?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Charizard777 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

No, because they have to have six lists from different publications. GoW you added used IGN twice. -- ferret (talk) 23:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Understood, thanks for the clarification! Charizard777 (talk) 23:00, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Game Informer's Top 100 Games Of All Time

Found a Game Informer list published all the way back in 2001. The only Game Informer lists used so far are from 2009 and 2018, and like with those lists, this was made to commemorate a milestone issue (in this case, being their 100th issue) and seemingly fits the criteria for this page (editor selected, reputable outlet, etc.)

https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/11/16/game-informer-s-top-100-games-of-all-time-circa-issue-100.aspx

Game Informer, 2001

1. The Legend of Zelda 2. Super Mario Bros. 3. Tetris 4. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 5. Doom (1993) 6. Metroid 7. Final Fantasy VI 8. Super Mario Bros. 3 9. Ms. Pac-Man 10. Final Fantasy VII 11. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 12. Super Mario 64 13. Contra 14. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out 15. Chrono Trigger 16. Goldeneye 007 17. Metal Gear Solid 18. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 19. Galaga 20. NHLPA Hockey 93 21. Gran Turismo 22. Street Fighter II 23. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 24. Sonic the Hedgehog 25. Warlords 26. Crash Bandicoot: Warped 27. Madden NFL 2001 28. Command & Conquer 29. Super Metroid 30. Super Mario Bros. 2 31. SimCity 32. Mega Man 2 33. EverQuest 34. Resident Evil 2 35. Super Mario Kart 36. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 37. Dragon Warrior 38. Tecmo Bowl 39. Pokemon Blue / Red / Yellow 40. Final Fantasy IV 41. Pitfall! 42. Star Wars: X-Wing 43. Final Fantasy IX 44. Excitebike 45. Final Fantasy Tactics 46. Super Mario World 47. Adventure 48. Castlevania 49. Counter-Strike 50. Virtua Tennis 51. Ridge Racer 52. Lode Runner 53. Metal Gear 54. Tenchu: Stealth Assassins 55. Chrono Cross 56. Tempest 2000 57. Arkanoid 58. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening 59. Tekken 2 60. Donkey Kong 61. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 62. Civilization 63. Baseball Stars 64. Gauntlet 65. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest 66. Bionic Commando 67. Ghouls N Ghosts 68. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 69. Resident Evil Code: Veronica 70. Zork 71. Banjo-Kazooie 72. Robotron 2048 73. Twisted Metal 2 74. Soulcalibur 75. Double Dragon 76. Dr. Mario 77. Secret of Mana 78. Panzer Dragoon Saga 79. Pro Wrestling 80. The Sims 81. Age of Empires 82. Suikoden 83. Kid Icarus 84. RC Pro-Am 85. NFL 2K1 86. Tomb Raider (1996) 87. Hot Shots Golf 88. Road Rash 89. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn 90. Super Bomberman 91. Mario's Picross 92. Cool Boarders 2 93. Ninja Gaiden 94. Phantasy Star 95. NBA 2K1 96. Tetris Attack/Panel de Pon 97. Mortal Kombat II 98. Starcraft 99. House of the Dead 2 100. Ape Escape

Doesn't seem like any new entries will be added with the addition of this list, but I say integrate it anyways. --Anonymouseditor2k19 (talk) 06:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

It should still be added even if it doesn't directly add any new entries. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 15:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks, but GI's 2001 list is a reader poll. They replaced the preamble for this online version (the print version goes over the voting process in detail), but everything else, including the text of the entries themselves is identical to the print version, with a few of the entries still referencing the voting. So, it won't be added. Phediuk (talk) 22:52, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Sorry for the mistake on my part. Anonymouseditor2k19 (talk) 01:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

No problem; the list's origins aren't made clear in the online version. Phediuk (talk) 01:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

That's good to know, thanks. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

GamesRadar 2021 Top 20

Regarding the Top 20 entries of GamesRadar's 2021 list. According to the article, they "were shortlisted by a panel of industry experts and luminaries, and voted on by the viewers of the Golden Joystick Awards". To me, this means that the top 20's inclusion in the list was decided by industry experts/luminaries, with their rankings decided by viewers. The top 20 should thus be taken into account here albeit unranked. This article explains the selection of the top 20 in greater detail. What do others think of this? -- Wrath X (talk) 05:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I thought the same thing when I found the list. Considering that the panel consists entirely of reliable journalists (and a few developers), I see no reason for the top 20 to be excluded. – Rhain ☔ 06:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that sounds good. I'll add them in shortly. Phediuk (talk) 12:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Done. Phediuk (talk) 14:58, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

EGM

Somebody claims that this is EGM’s 1997 list. But is EGM an accepted source for this article? I don’t remember if it’s been brought up before, though I have a shaky feeling it has. Someone let me know? BlueBlurHog (talk) 01:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind. It has. BlueBlurHog (talk) 01:36, 22 April 2022 (UTC)