Talk:Brahmāstra: Part One – Shiva

Orphaned references in Brahmāstra (film)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Brahmāstra (film)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "release date":

• From Sooryavanshi: "Rohit Shetty confirms 'Sooryavanshi' to release on Diwali after meet with Maharashtra CM Uddhav Thackeray". The Times of India. 25 September 2021. Retrieved 25 September 2021.
• From Dimple Kapadia: "Angrezi Medium to release a week earlier on March 13". India Today. 17 February 2020. Archived from the original on 18 February 2020. Retrieved 20 April 2020.
• From Shershaah: "Sidharth Malhotra and Kiara Advani starrer Shershaah to release on August 12 on Amazon Prime Video". Bollywood Hungama. 15 July 2021. Retrieved 15 July 2021.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:36, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Need to add Starring cast of this film

As Wikipedia is based on reliable sources many reliable sources mention Ayan Nayak as starring role. I want many experienced Wikipedian to say weather Nayak need to be there in starring role or not as many reliable sources clearly mentions that Nayak is in star role २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 16:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

As per Template:Infobox film, starring roles are based on billing block or on-screen credits where secondary sources have little role to play. Starring list in the official motion poster does have Nayak in it and its too early to conclude whether thier role in the film is important enough to be in the starring list. -- Ab207 (talk) 16:25, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

This source[1] mention The film features an all-star cast that includes Amitabh Bachchan, Mouni Roy, Ayan Nayak and Nagarjuna.२ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 19:26, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

"All-star cast" does not mean each of those cast is "starring" in the film. Tom Hanks might be a "star", but that does not mean he is "starring" in a film in which he plays a small part. Does that make sense? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:41, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@२ तकर पेप्सी: I've reverted this edit where you've cited an IANS source dated 14 Dec. It's a WP:CIRCULAR reference mirroring this wikipedia article of that date. Nayak was silently added by an IP on 13 Dec which remained until Sush150 removed them the following day.

Secondly, I don't see any particular reason why we should deviate from the cast list given by the studio channel where there's no mention of Nayak.

Pinging top editors of this page who are active this week for a wider attention @Bovineboy2008, Sush150, Rickyurs, and Ravensfire:. -- Ab207 (talk) 21:02, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ab207 You are right we should not add any further reason to add Nayak based on any previous sources, I think it's better to wait and see weather the channel or news particularly covers him in a little detail as him working in a starring role in this film. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 21:42, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Concur with Ab207 - use the billing from the film poster / credit from the film. Ravensfire (talk) 00:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ravensfire, Ab207, and Pyrrho the Skeptic: You may be also interested to see how २ तकर पेप्सी is trying to legitimize false things here and other Wikiprojects. See the evidences at Talk:Ayan Nayak#Speedy deletion rationale. Thanks. 2402:3A80:1A46:6454:71A2:8CBB:2547:FCD7 (talk) 12:19, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Comment on Bonadea's editing

As per @Bonadea:'s recent editing as the user says it's a press release I argue with the user and can say it's not a press release. Just because it's from ANI doesn't means it's a press release check this [2] no mention of disclaimer or paid article also in other big portals the article wouldn't be published if it was press release. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 10:11, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

It is a press release, that is not a claim or personal belief. no mention of disclaimer or paid article It says it's from ANI. Did you believe that the words "disclaimer" or "paid" always appear on press releases? That is not the case. A publication that's being upfront about where they get their material will mention the source – like Gulf News did here. also in other big portals the article wouldn't be published if it was press release That makes no sense. Big news outlets publish press releases all the time. That is the purpose of a press release. This source (which I removed from the article) is identical with some very minimal rephrasing (see churnalism), and that proves without any doubt that it is a PR. --bonadea contributions talk 10:24, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

thanks for clarifying it. ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 10:28, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

The order of the cast

Ok so there is definitely conflicting stuff on this. As we know we have based the cast ordering on the trailer glimpse video that came out a few days ago. However further looking at the videos we see that there is conflicting stuff present. Look at the video from Sony Music India's page [3] compared to the video from Dharma Productions' page [4]. We can clearly see that the orders in both of the videos are vastly different. For me I think we should stick to the Sony Music India's video on the cast order. Pinging editors that are frequently present on this page @Ab207, Sam0006, Fylindfotberserk SP013 (talk) 16:02, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@SP013: Mr Bachchan won't agree. It's certain that he would get the top credit in the film too because Dharma re-uploaded the teaser on his demand. -- Ab207 (talk) 16:18, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

While I do agree to actually sort the order as per Sony Music India's video (since the said company, and Dharma Productions followed that cast order on the teaser, making it the first time it was basically uploaded on the Internet — meaning it's the principal order), I think that it's better to follow the order in Dharma's re-uploaded version of the teaser (which yes, was certainly to get Bachchan's name billed as the top credit) as it has been seen as a public change/update, and Dharma is the film's principal production company while the former serves as the music label for the film (not like it holds any less importance on the project and matters associated). Although, I would still be more aligned towards the previous cast order (and would like to stick to that if other and more editors are fine with it), as it's much more reasonable and sensible. Sam 16:32, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

sorry, pinging just incase. (SP013) Sam 16:34, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes now they are uploading stuff with keeping his name at top , but does it really make sense for even wikipedia to hold his name at the top . Film is completely marketed on the name of Ranbir Kapoor and Alia Bhatt . Bachchan's character is not more important than Ranbir Kapoor's role in any way Rhea786656 (talk) 20:15, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Besides, I'm not sure how many would agree on it since I'm assuming, and it seems like a lot are editing the cast order on the basis of the re-uploaded video, I guess. — Sam 16:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC) [ talk ]

“Bachchan Sir ko respect deni thi". I don't think they'll change it now. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

We should move this to Brahmāstra Part One: Shiva.

I believe we should move this to Brahmāstra Part One: Shiva as this is the correct name.Barnacles14 (talk) 23:14, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

I also believe we should move the page to "Brahmāstra Part One: Shiva", since that is the actual name of the film. Krishna Dahal (talk) 18:33, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Let’s wait until the sequel release. Also many people know the film as Brahmastra, it is the common name of the film. Mehedi Abedin 21:49, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Is Ranbir Kapoor producing this film?

Please provide a reliable source before linking him as a producer of this film. Greatly influenced (talk) 15:35, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Greatly influenced: Kapoor is credited as producer in the trailer billing block. Added link in the hidden note. -- Ab207 (talk) 19:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Prime Focus // DNEG mention

@Csmartstarr, I understand and appreciate the fact that you added content stating about Prime Focus providing the film's VFX and it's citation that was added along, however, it's totally unneeded to add it in the distributor credits in the infobox—considering that only the distributor of the country of origin is mentioned i.e. Star Studios, while a note about Disney serving as the global distributor is cited right next to it. Which brings it to the matter that adding Disney's name below Star Studios and citing it with the Brahmästra link from DNEG's website is totally unrelated to the distributor section, as well as unnecessary in that part.

Coming to the mention of Prime Focus, I think it's more suitable to add it in the production section of the article considering that Malhotra and the company's names are linked and stated in the summary of the article, at the top of it, as well as are included in the producer and production company credits as they do serve as so on the project.

Please let me know if there's any issue or misunderstanding regarding my input.

—Sam (talk) 19:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I put it in the production section but you deleted that too!

It is very rare for Prime Focus/DNEG to actively produce and invest in a movie as they have 100s of massive project in film and TV to work on. This is the reason I have mentioned it.

Also Star Studios is only a subsidiary and brand name now. In all technical aspects the producers, owners, and distributors of the movie are Disney. When it is distributed across the world including India it will be registered under "Walt Disney Company". Csmartstarr (talk) 20:00, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I see, no problem. Sam (talk) 22:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2022

change "and co-produced by Ranbir Kapoor and Marijke Desouza independently." to "and co-produced by Marijke Desouza independently." Bhaveshmadkar (talk) 09:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done, You should cite reliable sources for this change. Also why you want to remove Ranbir Kapoor from the producers?. The official trailer of the film mentioned his name as a producer. Grabup (talk) 09:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2022

Remove Simon Franglen from Music by department 49.248.194.206 (talk) 12:20, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: I added a source that verifies the statement. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:57, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Brahmāstra: Part One — Shiva

@Ab207 You recently increased the budget of the film by Rs.200 crores. The article you provided is only the 1 article present on this Internet. I've researched for 2 hours but not found any other OFFICIAL declaration from any other reliable websites/sources. Karan Johar officially told in an INTERVIEW it's 300+ (not told 500) 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Please revert the edit and make it 300+ crores as early as possible

Also 🙏🏻 Please don't block me STAfizs (talk) 12:16, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@STAfizs: Why would you be blocked? You did the right thing by starting a discussion at the talk page.

Coming to the budget, as per this source: Uday Shankar, Chairman of Star and Disney India When asked about the film being mounted on a budget of Rs. 300 crores, he refused to give away a number but said, "Just to tell you, it is way more than that."

For content, we mainly follow WP:Secondary sources, although official (WP:Primary) sources are also helpful in some cases. The only official source here is Uday Shankar; Karan Johar did not make any statement on budget, afaik.

Therefore, I did not increase the budget of the film by Rs.200 crore, I only added an upper estimate of 500 crore, which is perfectly inline with Shankar's statement. -- Ab207 (talk) 12:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

But uday also didn't say it is near 500 crores, way more than 300 can mean, 330 ,340 , 350 also. 500 crores is very high limit , Ranbir Kapoor has not even Charged any money since he is one of the producer . 300-350 would be the right choice Rhea786656 (talk) 20:10, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

We already have another source saying 500 crore budget. Uday Shankar's statement only favours that figure. No idea from where you got that 350 cr, avoid WP:Original research. -- Ab207 (talk) 09:42, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Khiladi King, please go through the above discussion. We have conclusive evidence to believe that the budget is way over 300 cr. Therefore, the majority sources argument doesn't cut it here. In fact, we should look for an updated budget figure rather than deflating it back. Thanks -- Ab207 (talk) 18:24, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Only one source mentioned the budget to be 500 crore INR but majority reported the budget to be 300 crore. Khiladi King (talk) 04:24, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@Khiladi King You're not entirely wrong but the studio executive clearly disputed the 300 crore figure, so we must look for better sources. Also, 500 crore is the latest figure possibly including cost escalations due to delays not factored in old sources, so it carries more weight. -- Ab207 (talk) 16:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@Khiladi King The latest official budget as per Bollywood Hungama is 410 crore. Perhaps it's better to go with this one in infobox. -- Ab207 (talk) 13:30, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Sam0006, what do you think? -- Ab207 (talk) 15:38, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ab207 Well, various sources state different estimations, the most common one and even in press releases I assume, is the 300+ crores one. But at the same time, it has been said that its 'way over' said amount. It's best to keep it at 300+ or the '300–500 crores' estimation, unless a number is confirmed by various publications.

– Sam | he/him (talk) 15:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Sam0006 The 300 crore figure is refuted by studio executive himself, telling it's "way more than that." So we must look for newer and better figures. Since 410 crore is the latest one and it is quoted by sources within the production, it might be close to the actual figure. -- Ab207 (talk) 16:47, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Hello, Khiladi King. I've removed 300 crore estimate as well (since 500 crore was also removed), it's clearly an outdated figure refuted by studio. 410 crore is the latest update followed by majority of new sources. WP:AGE MATTERS applies here. Regards -- Ab207 (talk) 07:20, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Brahmastra Movie BUDGET, Actor FEES

Brahmastra Budget:

Touted to be the costliest Bollywood movie till date, Brahmastra boasts a budget of Rs 350 crores allegedly!

Brahmastra Actors Fees:

Brahmastra cast fees

Sourced from a report, we bring you the whopping alleged fees of the Brahmastra cast. Take a look:

Ranbir Kapoor: Rs 25-30 CRORES!

Alia Bhatt: Rs 10-12 CRORES!

Amitabh Bachchan: Rs 8-10 CRORES!

Nagarjuna Akkineni: Rs 9-11 CRORES!

Mouni Roy: Rs 3 CRORES!

Brasmastra Release Date:

In cinemas on September 9, 2022!Brahmastra,

the fantasy film that features Ranbir Kapoor and Alia Bhatt in the lead role, is gearing up for a massive release in September. The movie, which revolves around Hindu mythology, is helmed by young filmmaker Ayan Mukerji. As the cast and crew members are busy promoting the film, Brahmastra's first review is out.

Umair Sandhu, a member of the Overseas Censor Board and film critic, recently took to his official Twitter page and claimed that the final copy of Brahmastra is locked. According to Sandhu, believable sources have mixed responses to Ranbir Kapoor-Alia Bhatt's film. According Hanee11 (talk) 07:42, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2022

The budget of brahmastra is 410crore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:600F:802D:9428:F983:A9D2:2C52 (talk) 18:06, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Astra

I would like to request to add a section "Astra (weapons)". Explaining the weapons and it's origin. 27.56.252.79 (talk) 13:42, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

For example, Nandiastra, whoever hold it receives power of 1000 nandi's etc. Also Ranbir Kapoor doesn't posses any astra he is himself a astra of fire element. Kindly edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.56.252.79 (talk) 13:45, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Most expensive film

claim that this is one of the most expensive film in Indian history till date is false, as RRR is 500 crores and this is just 400 crore. Discuss here first Ningalonnichpovuka (talk) 04:22, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, firstly, saying stuff that I'm engaging in PR or promotional purposes towards the film is false. Secondly, I'm not trying to claim this as the most expensive Indian film, instead its one of the most expensive Indian films. I wasn't the first one to add that actually though, and the film's budged it also considerably notable. – Sam | he/him (talk) 04:28, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

RRR is 500 crores, and there are many films in most expensive league and not worth of adding that 'it is ONE of the MOST EXPENSIVE file TILL DATE in INDIA' in Wikipedia , as amount is already mentioned (400 crores) and not even close to RRR which is 500 crores. Information should be a information and not for film promotion and boosting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ningalonnichpovuka (talk • contribs) 05:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Please stop removing this. How can be a film's budget become promotion? This film's budget according to sources reveals to be 400 crores putting it him expensive film along with many others (RRR). That is where in English Grammer, we use "ONE OF THE MOST" indicating it is not the most expensive film of India but it is among expensive FILMS in India. Vikenviksingh (talk) 07:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I also want to add that you can't label everyone's edits in this part as PR. Sam | he/him (talk) 15:34, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2022

I suggest adding IGN India's review of the film as well:

Rayan Sayyed of IGN India also criticised the romance between the film's leads and wrote that "the mythology and its computer-generated portrayals are the only reasons to watch this film." Unexpired2513 (talk) 14:20, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

reviews

why aree you highlighting reviews from pages like the week which are not even popular 122.50.195.240 (talk) 15:03, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Reviews are mostly negative Adamstraw99 (talk) 16:34, 9 September 2022 (UTC)