Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea

Joseon Army and Joseon Navy

Some of the information I gathered for these pages was from the Korean websites I translated using Google Translate. I need to know if I properly translated them right. I also need help with the way I put citations on these pages. I also need more information, references, and citations for the Japanese Occupation of Gyeongbokgung Palace article. Koreanidentity10000 (talk) 22:35, 18 May 2022 (EST)

TXT MV credits

Does anyone have copies of any (or all) of TXT's albums, and can tell me if there are any video credits for the songs in them? An editor told me awhile back that other artists have in theirs, so it's possible for TXT too, but I haven't had much luck finding booklet scans online. If not, does anyone know of anywhere scans have been uploaded that I could check? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:37, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Anyone? Surely someone belonging to the project owns TXT albums? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 07:10, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Using Touring Data for tour figures

Even though Touring Data is WordPress hosted website, it is probably the most accurate website for touring figures for K-pop artists outside Billboard Boxscore. Not any person can report random figures to this site as the website description says that "We accept reports directly from venues, promoters and agencies", therefore, there is a level of authenticity in their data. Figures that have been reported by Touring Data based on what I've seen is exactly what Billboard Boxscore reports, but the thing with the latter is that they rarely report more than a few number of shows for tours by K-pop artists. Although attendance data reported by media outlets are sometimes available, they are at many times inaccurate as they're off by thousands when comparing them to what Billboard actually reports later if they even report it. Should Touring Data be used if there is no figures from Billboard Boxscore available? ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 14:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't think so. The policy is to stick to reliable secondary sources (or primary if appropriate) for this sort of info, and while Touring Data may report the same/similar info that established secondary sources do, I don't think it can be considered one itself. There isn't even anything on the site indicating who runs it. The better place to ask this I think would be the music project talk page or even the perennial sources talk page if that doesn't work. A wider cross section of editors pass through there. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 00:48, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding usage of Circle Global K-pop Chart

Currently, from my observation, the general understanding amongs editors editing K-pop singer/group/band's article is that, if the song didn't chart on Circle Digital Chart, then the component charts of Digital Chart, will sometime be mentioned in prose in the Commercial performance section, are listed directly in discography table(s) or mentioned via the explanatory footnotes beside the em-dash, and listed as "South Korea (Circle Download)" or "South Korea (Circle Streaming)" or "South Korea (Circle BGM)" in the charts table. Hence in what situation should the newly added Circle Global K-pop Chart be used in discography table(s), used in charts table(s), and be mentioned in prose in the song's article, given that this chart isn't component of Digital Chart. And should this chart also be listed alongside the Circle Digital Chart, if the song has charted on both of them. I believed the situation is similar to the Circle Retail Album Chart in which I have never seen it being mentioned and/or used in song's article, discography table(s), and charts table(s). — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:40, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Charts should be discussed at WP:RECORDCHARTS, the relevant content guide, not at individual project level. If the Global chart measures Kpop songs or songs by Kpop acts around the world then it can be included alongside the Digital Chart if the Digital Chart measures only performance within South Korea. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 18:42, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I've been wondering if at the very least it could be considered a genre chart (like the World Digital Song Sales chart by BB for eg.), but I don't pay attention to this chart so idk if only actual Kpop songs have ranked on it since it started, or if any Korean song that gets enough traction internationally regardless of genre would enter it. If it really is a genre-specific chart, then I could see it maybe being allowed as an entry in the Chart tables on song pages (if it doesn't enter the Digital or component charts that is). I don't think it should be used in discogs because it isn't the national chart of SK and it doesn't appear to be as notable as the Kpop Hot 100 was considered to be while it was active. Circle doesn't release the number of global streams the way BB does and we don't even know how many countries streaming data is being compiled from. Everything is converted to points so how is that helpful for readers? It doesn't add anything useful so I don't think it's notable enough to mention in prose either, otherwise some will take it as license to mention on every single song article that a song entered the Circle Global Kpop Streaming Chart at #xyz with no other actual useful info to supplement that statement. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:07, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Pansori

This article is desperately in need of editing: the English is very clunky and sounds machine translated, parts of the article don't make sense in English. Veroberry (talk) 19:01, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Lee Jae-yong (businessman)#Requested move 26 August 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lee Jae-yong (businessman)#Requested move 26 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 16:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Usage of Billboard's Hits of the World – South Korea Songs

There is an ongoing dispute over the addition South Korea Songs peak in the weekly charts table of "Pink Venom".

See the discussion: Talk:Pink Venom#Discuss please: Billboard Hits of the World Charts.

I want to have a consensus by editors over its usage across South Korean song and artist's discography articles. I don't want that some articles can use the chart without any issues and some articles can't. Thank you. -ink&fables «talk» 07:05, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Important note, there are already existing discussions here and here at WP:RECORDCHARTS which denote concerns about the use of Hits of the World where there are already recongised national record charts present. Please note that wikiprojects cannot and should not circumvent content guidelines. I'd recommend that the discussion is moved there so that it can be looked at in context of other countries as South Korea is not the only country to be given a Hits of the World chart and the scope of ProjectKorea is way broader than just music. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 18:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Four month old draft

I was wondering if anyone at this WikiProject would be willing to assist in reviewing Draft:Loren (musician), which has been waiting to be reviewed at AfC for over four months. Many of the sources are not in English and I thought someone here might be more capable of assessing them. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:50, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

You can find a list of reliable and unreliable sources for Korean articles at WP:KO/RS#R. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 17:02, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Yeonjun has also been waiting for over four months. TipsyElephant (talk) 17:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I just made some edits to Yeonjun, refined the prose/grammar a bit and left some comments on the talk page. Idk much about him so I can't help expand the Career section per the tag, but if more info gets filled in, I can give it another once over to make it ready for main space. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 00:37, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Removal of non-notable BreakTudo Awards

In 2020, the BreakTudo Awards were determined to be non-notable and its article was deleted per consensus at AFD. However, existing mentions of the awards were not removed across Wikipedia and still remain to this day on several Kpop-related articles. Though I was aware of the AFD at the time, I hesitated to remove the BTAs from the BTS awards page since they were not removed elsewhere once the discussion closed, and that has bothered me ever since. I finally asked about their removal yesterday and have been advised that it is correct to do so. Ik that List of Awards and nominations articles are a very touchy area and can cause contention with those who like seeing many awards listed for their favorite artists, but I am posting here to let other editors of this project be aware in the hopes that you will assist with the removal. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Removal of Soompi Awards

Similar to the above, should something be done to Soompi Awards as well? While article for Soompi Awards wasn't created (other than in redirect form) before, previous discussions here have stated that only awards that are 2017 and later are considered notable and only if secondary reliable sources that isn't from Soompi themselves can be provided. It has also been discussed various times here in BTS's A&N list which has similar stand, however the discussions there also stated that prior 2017 awards can be included if secondary reliable sources can be provided. Currently there are 100 articles listing Soompi Awards with either secondary reliable sources (excluding these since they are reliably sourced) or completely unsourced or sourced using Soompi website. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:22, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

WP:RSPUSE does say that "Sources which are generally unreliable may still be useful in some situations. For example, even extremely low-quality sources, such as social media, may sometimes be used as self-published sources for routine information about the subjects themselves". However, using Soompi as a source of information about its award ceremony (eg. explaining its history) is a diff matter to using it to source multiple past editions of its awards. Unlike Billboard and MTV, which are both established reliable sources with very notable, widely covered award shows, and can therefore be used as primary sources about themselves and their awards (though secondary sources are still preferred), the same cannot be said for Soompi, a long-established unreliable source. WP:RSPRIMARY says "Although specific facts may be taken from primary sources, secondary sources that present the same material are preferred. Large blocks of material based purely on primary sources should be avoided." If articles about Soompi's awards prior to 2017 were attempted, we would be hard-pressed to reliably source them as they would be filled with mostly primary sources and likely be flagged for deletion. To me this indicates that earlier, non-notable editions of the Soompi Awards—unless they can be acceptably sourced—should not be included and existing mentions should removed. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:31, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

WiTricity (와이트리시티) entry at Korean Wikipedia

Hello! On behalf of WiTricity and as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I've shared a draft entry for Korean Wikipedia, which is a translated version of the English Wikipedia article. I'm searching for an editor who can review this draft and update the entry appropriately. Might someone here at WikiProject Korea be able to help? Thanks for your consideration, Inkian Jason (talk) 18:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:11, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Your feedback requested at Gautama Buddha move request

Hello. Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Gautama Buddha#Requested move 5 October 2022. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 11:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

China sales

I've noticed User:Ss112 going around and removing Chinese sales on several discographies of K-pop artists, based on the listed sources being unofficial (as there are no official charts in China), not being listed in WP:CHARTS, and WP:SYNTH. Personally I agreed, and I went ahead and removed them on Big Bang and Super junior as well, but there are several other pages that still have this. Should these sales be removed in its entirety? ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 03:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Any unreliable sources that are unable to be replaced by reliable sources (esp if none exist) and the information that they were supporting should be removed across the board. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:45, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

disagree; the Chinese sales are been counted towards IFPI, as well been considered as one of top 10 global recording markets, even Xiao Zhan listed in top 10 best-selling songs based on Tencent Music Entertainment music platforms, those sales are been recognized legally be everyone in industry from IFBI, Billboard who recently announced they making new chart for China, or even record labels who are selling their music on those platforms, the only difference is those sales are available for everyone to see, you just deleting legit sales based on one account random deletion and because there is no official chart? when IFPI themselves considered those platforms and sales as right and legal? KLIFE88 (talk) 23:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Does the IFPI officially recognize any organization in China with the authority to confirm sales and award certifications in the country? ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 23:24, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

They did based on their 'Global Music Report 2020', page 4 of the report, since that year the sales from country are been counted, from Xiao Zhan charting in top 10 last year list to Chen Li Nong been mentioned in the 'Global Music Report 2021' report as well acknowledging QQ Music certification system as they did break-down his numbers on page 28 of the report. KLIFE88 (talk) 23:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

QQ Music is a WP:SINGLEVENDOR network (just like Melon or iTunes) and we don't use those on Wikipedia. The problem with China is that there is no Billboard, Circle/Gaon, or Oricon like organization that officially reports digital sales or awards certifications. All Chinese sales that have been listed on discography articles that have been taken from WP:SINGLEVENDOR networks only, which is unsuitable to be included in discography tables. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 23:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

There should be exclusions, not all rules can apply to everything. Especially to this one here, where IFPI themselves acknowledge them, their sales and streams, even use their data on their year end charts and analysis. Those sales are legitimate and are huge in artists history, deleting it means you are deleting entire country sales based on simple rule? As well will mean to delete so many pages with legitimate information from 'Best-selling Music in china' to 'QQ Music Awards' and other multiple awards because they all use those data that you asking to be deleted. Same data that's Billboard gonna start using from next year. KLIFE88 (talk) 15:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)