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RfC: Use of Simplified Chinese on Chinese characters (i.e. Hanja)

There is an ongoing RfC at Talk:Chinese characters#RfC: Simplified Chinese within the infobox image regarding whether or not Simplified Chinese should be removed from the infobox image on that article. It would be helpful if a third opinion can be provided to assist in forming consensus. If you would like to participate in the discussion, please feel free to do so. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 10:03, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Japan-Korea relations: split proposal

Currently, Japan-Korea relations covers both "Japan-ROK relations" and "Japan-DPRK relations". ROK(South Korea) and DPRK(North Korea) share pre-division history, but after the division and civil war each government have had a different relationship with Japan. Thus, it seems reasonable to split the article into two. Please join the discussion at Talk:Japan–Korea_relations if you're interested. Thanks, --- PBJT (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Three North Korean concentration camp articles remain for geocoding

Editors have now assigned geographic coordinates to all but three of the North Korean concentration camp articles. Three remain: Onsong_concentration_camp, Sunghori_concentration_camp and Taehŭng_concentration_camp. Any help that members of this wikiproject could bring to bear on this would be greatly appreciated. For more information, please see WP:COORD. -- The Anome (talk) 22:26, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello The Anome, thanks for your efforts on the North Korean concentration camp articles. Unfortunately for many of the reeducation camps, such as Chungsan concentration camp or Oro concentration camp the exact coordinates are not yet identified. For already closed camps such as Onsong concentration camp it will be even more difficult to find the location. I think it is more confusing than helpful, if we provide imprecise coordinates somewhere in the relevant county and readers are then not able to find any prison building on the satellite image with those coordinates. Hope you agree. But I think it would be very good, if members of this wikiproject could translate articles on North Korean concentration camps or human rights in North Korea into other languages or improve and extend articles on human rights in North Korea. -- Gamnamu (talk) 16:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

WP Korea in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Korea for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 03:57, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm answering now. Thanks for wanting to feature us! —Ed!(talk) 11:58, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to you both Mabeenot and Ed!. I'm very new to the project, but will try to answer the questions as best as I can. Hope that more people could join the interview. --PBJT (talk) 14:20, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Mabeenot kindly rescheduled the interview, and now it will be featured on August 27, not June 18. That means we have a plenty of time to answer the questionnaire, and hope some of you could voluntarily answer them by the end of July. Every opinion counts. Once again thank you Mabeenot for your generosity. Best, --PBJT (talk) 22:53, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Requested move of Nichkhun

Hey everyone! I would really appreciate your input on my move request located here. I'm proposing to move Nichkhun Horvejkul to the more commonly used name of Nichkhun. If you could share your thoughts on the Nichkhun talk page, that would be very helpful. Thanks! CaseyPenk (talk) 06:07, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I added my two cents at the talk page. Many thanks, --PBJT (talk) 22:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Yoo vs Ryoo vs Yu vs Ryu

see Talk:Yoo (Korean name), where the many surnames are under discussion. 70.49.127.65 (talk) 23:45, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Requested move: Decapitalize the word "war" in non-proper noun titles

Concerning the following articles: Sino-Xiongnu War, Gojoseon–Han War, Goguryeo–Wei War, Goguryeo–Sui War, Goguryeo–Tang War, Silla–Tang War, Ming–Kotte War, Ming–Hồ War, Mongol–Jin War, Gaya–Silla War, Goguryeo–Yamato War, Goryeo–Khitan War.

The move request is at [1]. --Cold Season (talk) 02:19, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Mun Jeong Hyeon

I've begun an article on Father Mun Jeong Hyeon, a leading anti-U.S.-military activist and last month's winner of the Gwangju Prize. I've got a good start from English language sources, but it seems likely that even more will be available in Korean language. Would any bilingual editors care to take a look? Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 20:47, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Nureongi

The article Nureongi states that there is no fixed word for the Korean native livestock dog. It goes on to talk about the various names that Koreans have given to this , even going so far as to use Chinese and Korean characters, but gives no official Korean language name for this dog as there isn’t one. On the other hand, the article section Dog meat#South Korea does refer to one Korean-language noun phrase that was officially used by Korean officials when discussing a proposal, which was not approved, to have this dog officially declared “livestock”. Unfortunately, however, the translation into English that article uses is the phrase “Slaughter dog”, which, as you can see, is a red link, sounds like a literal translation, perhaps a machine translation, of the original Korean language noun phrase used in the government document, and as you may know, is not a common English language noun phrase. So this is my question if you would please, what was the original Korean language phrase used in the failed proposal? Would “Meat dog”, “native Korean livestock dog” or “Nureongi” be better translations? Chrisrus (talk) 04:23, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Bosulachi

Sorry to drop in out of nowhere... A new article, Bosulachi, was pointed out to me as being very confusing. I took a look at it and I can't make any sense of it. I'm sure that something is being lost in translation. Would somebody be willing to take a look at the article and cleanup the translation? Thanks. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I would think some English-language sources would help, but I can't find any. —Ed!(talk) 13:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

How do you make Kara article get that green sign?

I was reading through Big Bang (South Korean band) and I noticed that they had that green icon on the top of the page. Does anyone here know how I can get one for Kara (band)? Masterpeace3 (talk) 07:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Read WP:GAC to learn how to get that green plus. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 08:04, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually I want to ask for some help to improve the article. Because not a lot of people are coming to its talk pages. If anyone has spare time could you guys please help edit this article? Thanks. Masterpeace3 (talk) 07:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Bureom

Popped up on NewPages today. Needs work. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 06:49, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Helen Lee (director)

Any Korean speakers looking to team up for an easy GA? Her official website has several Korean-language articles and I was hoping someone could look into it and see if there is any useful information (her Korean name being a most obvious one). Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. They're all images, so Google is useless for me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:56, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Human rights in North Korea‎

There has been trouble at Human rights in North Korea‎. Many of the references used in the article were quite outdated, and an ip editor with a strong DPRK point of view began vigorously editing. The ip was blocked for 24 hours but will probably return. It is quite likely the ip has made some good edits, but many are not good, and there are lots of them. User:Fred Bauder Talk 14:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

It turned out that the edits were nearly all based on a North Korean document on human rights submitted to the UN which the ip was trying to use repeatedly. This was combined with systemic removal of contradictory information. The document is linked to and used in the article, including the lede. On return the ip continued the same pattern and was blocked for a week. The article continues to need attention. User:Fred Bauder Talk 12:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Korean article

Ambox warning pn.svgTemplate:Korean article has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. DH85868993 (talk) 12:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Korean Mellon

We do not have an article on Korean Mellons. My Korean language skills are only basic and would like to work with a Korean speaking editor to start an article about Korean Mellons on Wikipedia--Woogie10w (talk) 00:29, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Rusk Document

Rusk documents

Japanese users (including Japanese "administrator" in english wikipedia) keep pushing Japanes POV on Korea-Japan dispute material. They keep deleting all cited material.

August 26, 1954 Another US State Department report seriously questioned their previous view of Liancourt Rocks (including rusk document) was based on legal and historical understading. Even this report mentioned about how wrong "rusk document" was.

This is important document to Korea-Japan territorial dispute. But Japanese Wikipedia users blanking its entire section. There reason are

Excuse me, Citing from 1954 US state department document is unreliable? US state department was personal opinons? (How about rusk document? document itself is entirely based upon personal opinon, no history and legal basis) not related to the topic ? It is hard to me because Japanese administrator deleting it. As a newbie of english wikipedia, it is too risky move against to Japanese administrator's completely biased editing. I need some help here. --Ejwcun (talk) 15:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not a Japanese administrator, I just happen to live in Japan. I've explained on my talk page why the additions are unacceptable, because the sources aren't reliable, the tone wasn't neutral, and some of the info wasn't actually about the subject in question. But let's please not have the discussion in 3 different places; if we could first continue it on Talk:Rusk documents, that will be easiest. Qwyrxian (talk) 16:45, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

South Korean idol groups category

The category Category:South Korean idol groups was nominated for deletion. Please come and participate in the deletion discussion. --Moscowconnection (talk) 02:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Please help with a Korean language problem

Although this problem is not directly relevant to this Project I'm asking for help here as WP doesn't seem to have a venue for asking for foreign language assistance. The problem is- someone recently added some information to the Sarah Baartman article. The last item in the "Cultural references" section mentions a piece of Korean music but the English is badly garbled. There is a link to a page on ko:WP which might help to clarify the information. Please help. Roger (talk) 13:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Notability of Shinchonji Church of Jesus the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony?

In August an WP:SPA started a few articles about the Shinchonji Church of Jesus the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony and its leader Lee Man-Hee. Both articles rely heavily (in the founder's case, entirely) on sources internal to the church. As noted on the Talk page of LM-H, another user tried finding sources on him and failed, though in fairness this might be a language issue.

Could someone who is familiar with Korean language and relgious/cultural issues offer any attestation as to whether this topic is notable? MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:51, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm a foreign resident of Korea who thinks LMH and SCJ both deserve pages, but more objective ones than currently exist. There is a wealth of information about him in Korean, but more sources are popping up in the English-language media. They've recently pushed to go global, and Lee Man-hee is positioned to be the next Moon Sun-myung. To editorialise for a second, they are a powerful and dangerous doomsday cult. I'd offer more alternative sources, but I think it would just turn into a deletion battle with his followers. I'm not well-versed in Wikipedia policies, so if there's a way around it I'd be happy to know. Junganghansik (talk) 13:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
The big issue is WP:Reliable sources; ideally any content should come from scholarly books from reputable publishers, or established reputable newspapers. That is, if "Cult Watch Monthly" had some article haranguing LM-H, that's probably not a Reliable Source. But if a major Seoul newspaper publishes an article on him, that'd be great. If it's going to be a contentious topic, you'll want rock-solid references. Though in English would be nice, it's completely acceptable to use other languages, just bear in mind debates might move slower since non-Korean speakers would have to go through another editor to get key points translated.
Aside from WP:RS, you'll want to scrupulously observe WP:NPOV. So "he's a dangerous cult leader" with a link to an anti-cult website, not going to work. However, a cite to a Seoul newspaper and "parliamentarian Smith of Sangju-mok labeled JM-H a 'nefarious cult leader' in a deposition to parliament regarding freedom of religion rights in Korea, on 28 April 2007" is quite useful. Ideally the article should be one that both pro and anti SCJ people can agree is factually correct. That is, even if they disagree with Parliamentarian Smith, they must admit that he did indeed say that. That sort of thing. Does that help answer your question? Please feel free to contact me on my Talk page if I can be of any help. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:31, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Korean caste?

Editors on this WikiProject may be interested in the ongoing RfC on Talk:Caste. The article lists Korea as a region that has historically had a caste system, along with other countries, claims which some editors have found controversial. Editors critical of the current article have argued that the article has become a WP:COATRACK used to push the view that the caste system is not linked to Hinduism or India, while others have defended the article's portrayal of the caste as a universal phenomenon. The input of editors familiar with Korean history would be most helpful in this discussion. Was Korean society a caste? Is that a mainstream view and should Korea be listed?--Ninthabout (talk) 14:39, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Station renames

Someone has gone through and changed the spelling on vast number of articles. Many I checked seemed flatout wrong. Someone needs to check these more thoroughly and potentially roll back all these edits.[2]--114.205.84.126 (talk) 07:56, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you give a specific example of one? Is it the romanization? RR or MR? ₪RicknAsia₪ 08:51, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Article for Creation needs some expertise :)

Hi everyone! This article: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sangok-ri, for review, needs the review of someone who has some knowledge about Korean towns and cities. Perhaps you can help. Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 22:18, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

A note on recent North Korean news

See "Exclusive: How Reuters Sources Keep Getting It Wrong on North Korea" September 26, 2012 "The recurring problem with the Reuters North Korea “exclusives” is that they lead to extensive re-reporting by major outlets, analyst responses, and on occasion, even comment by government officials and agencies", to say nothing of Wikipedia... User:Fred Bauder Talk 14:12, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

China-North Korea border article

Hi! I notice there's no article on the China-North Korea border. Interestingly the French, Portuguese, and Polish Wikipedias have articles, but EN doesn't. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:11, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

It is interesting, particularly in the east where it turns into the North-Korean Russia border. It seems less porous this last year with a substantial decrease in unauthorized crossings; sure there is a story there if sources could be found. User:Fred Bauder Talk 03:53, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Alright. I started a stub at China-North Korea border. I'm sure there's more that can be found to beef it up :) - On the Korean Wikipedia I asked a user if he was interested in starting a stub on the border. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:37, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Dedicated portal for North Korea

The Chinese Wikipedia has a dedicated Portal for North Korea zh:Portal:北韓. Shouldn't we have one too? WhisperToMe (talk) 20:00, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure, although the talk pages serve the needs of the few who edit the articles using sourced information. I have to admit that my interest is not in Korea in general, although I love South Korean films; but in the strange regime in North Korea which, if you look into it closely, involves a very interesting history and set of contemporary situations. User:Fred Bauder Talk 03:50, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. General Portal:Korea ; Dedicated Portal:South Korea , Portal:North Korea , Portal:Korean Peninsula (geography, biology, ecology, geology), Portal:Koreans (Korean language, culture, diaspora, ethnicity, genetics, mythology, religion) , Portal:History of Korea (history, prehistory, archaeology, anthropology) -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 05:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Appropriate to classify Korean as an Altaic language?

Discussion is hereLittleBen (talk) 16:37, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

2012 Korean American infobox representatives open nomination period

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American#Korean American infobox representative nominees. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:37, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Saving private Yang Kyoungjong

Hello!

Recently, I've wrote a small article on ru-wiki about a korean soldier ru:Ян Кёнджон (based on en-wiki Yang Kyoungjong). However, I have heavily doubts, if he's really existed. Could someone help? All is needed is to watch this SBS documentary (2005) and write down brief contents (translated from the Korean). Just like this: ru:Обсуждение:Ян Кёнджон#Фильм SBS. Hopefully, it will help to know the truth.--Fastboy (talk) 20:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Jill Kelley

So.. Jill Kelley is an honorary consul for ROK, in Tampa, Florida; does anyone know where we can get some information of her diplomatic activities? -- 70.24.250.26 (talk) 10:17, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Purely symbolic, according to the Atlanta consul general. Will add reference. Prburley (talk) 11:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Htou-tjyen

Could anyone take a look at the above article? Needed: hangul and romanization. These cards are apparently distinct from hanafuda/hwatu (화투). Prburley (talk) 11:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I added the hangul for the suit names, based on the given romanizations (except for anteloupe – I'm not sure about that one). The romanizations should probably be included in the templates I used (Template:Ko-hhrm; ex: (Hangul비열한 거리; RRBiyeolhan geori) ). I didn't do this myself because I wasn't sure which romanization system they used. Michaelcomella (talk) 16:33, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Sweet! Can I guess that Htou-tjyen is ko:투전?
A quick google image search confirms that it's almost definitely the same thing. And some nice, modern wood sets to boot! ZX95 (talk) 18:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't know how to do proper romanization, but I would say the Korean article you linked romanizes to something like, "too-jeon", which is similar to "Htou-tjyen" if you take out some characters (e.g. "tou-jen"). I'd guess it's the same thing - I'd say the difference in romanization might stem from a Chinese character origin (the Korean article does provide equivalent hanja), but I don't have any formal study in this area. Michaelcomella (talk) 19:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
So would you say it should properly be moved to too-jeon, or tou-jen? (The other should probably be redirected) ZX95 (talk) 00:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
The article name should be the name most commonly used in English texts (for example, most K-pop artist article names are however they are advertised in popular media, not how the two accepted romanization systems do their name). The references under in the article seem to imply that it's under the correct name now.
However, I'd say it'd be worthwhile to romanize the name into the two standard forms, google the results, and see what comes up. I don't have the time to look into romanizing the title at the moment, but I'll try to do so when I have a chance. If anybody else would like to try, please feel free. Note that I'm also not familiar with these romanization systems and may make mistakes. Michaelcomella (talk) 01:13, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, it doesn't look like they're really ever referred to with either of those romanizations in English-language sources; I'd say the present title is as it should be. I will add the hangul and "proper" romanization to the lede, though, and keep the expand korean template since their article is somewhat longer, and also probably draws on more accurate and modern sources. ZX95 (talk) 03:45, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Korean Peninsula

Korean Peninsula has been requested to be renamed, see talk:Korean Peninsula -- 70.24.250.26 (talk) 12:48, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

2012 Asian American representative approval period (Now until 18 December)

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American#Representative approval. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

hy, i want to ask some question about korean company work visa

Off-topic conversation

ca we do concersation in on line 119.158.88.162 (talk) 12:23, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Unfortunately, Wikipedia Talk pages are intended for discussion that will directly improve an article's content. For more information, please see the Talk page guidelines.
That being said, you may be able to find some information about Korean companies' work visas through a search engine such as Google, by contacting a company directly, or by asking your questions on website dealing with Korean content, such as a Kpop or Korean drama community site, as some members may be interested in and familiar with such things. Please let me know if you have any more questions about using or editing Wikipedia. Thanks! Michaelcomella (talk) 15:28, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Infobox East Asian name

{{Infobox East Asian name}} has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.245.16 (talk) 04:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Surname order

Is there some existing guideline/discussion relevant to what to do about ambiguity for cases like Talk:Cha Seung Baek? Please don't just go there and give opinion, looking for relevant existing guideline or previous discussion and precedent please. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Name help, please

Hi, I'm involved in the article Lair of King Tongmyong's Unicorn. An issue that has come up in the DYK nomination is the spelling of Tongmyong/Dongmyeong. As I know absolutely nothing about Romanization of Korean names, can you all provide some help and guidance? Thank you, LadyofShalott 01:39, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

I am not an expert in Korean nor romanization, but as per MOS:KO#Romanization, I believe the romanization of the article should move to the Revised Romanization system as the topics do not specifically deal with the North Korean context, but rather folklore. I'll make the necessary changes to the article and you may revert them if you wish.
Also, I believe the "unicorn" in the article should be moved to it's actual identity of the "Qilin" as they are not the same creature, nor do they carry the same connotations. For clarity, I think it's appropriate to describe the Qilin in the article as a "Chinese unicorn", like the Qilin is described in its own article.
Due to the topics in the above comments, I also feel the article should also be moved to "Lair of King Dongmyeong's Qilin", but I will let you take care of that as an article move is much more difficult to undo. Michaelcomella (talk) 16:17, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Beyond moving the article and changing the associated intro text, everything should be done (However, I would like it if another Korean WikiProject editor would look over my changes). I created an issue on the Talk Page about the Unicorn/Qilin issue. Michaelcomella (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Maps

Please, let's put a map of Korea (North, South, the peninsula -- what-ever is appropriate) on every city and other locale article about Korea. At present, most or all of them only have province maps. We cannot assume that our readers know where any particular province is. Take a look at, e.g., the article on Chicago: it shows Illinois in the US as well as Chicago in Illinois (and a third, intermediary map). We need to do the same for Korea. Maybe some-one can make a template that some-how gets linked into the province map each time.Kdammers (talk) 09:49, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Northeast Project of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences

Chinese POV editors are attempting to delete/merge the entire article on the Northeast Project(동북공정) with Goguryeo Controversies, which I dare say in the absence of participation from neutral or Korean editors has dilapidated to a biased article. While Goguryeo Controversies is another matter, I believe the first thing to do is for the WikiProject Korea to turn its attention to the Northeast Project and the attempt of Chinese POV editors from destroying it. The Northeast Project is an important subject matter which has been a turning point in Korean strategic stance and diplomacy, and still the subject is widely covered in the news media and widely discussed in academic papers. Cydevil38 (talk) 12:13, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Korean nationalist historiography

One of the editors involved in Blood theory in Korea and Northeast Project has recently made an article on Korean nationalist historiography, which suffers from multiple issues such as Korean history and "superiority". Cydevil38 (talk) 02:19, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Help fix an article, please

The article about Choi Namson has the following incomplete text " and his later contributions that were perceived by some nationalists." Could some-one fix it so that it says what/how he was perceived? Kdammers (talk) 04:13, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not qualified to fix this but here is the correct link: Choe Nam-seon Michaelcomella (talk) 14:27, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Park Chanyeol merge discussion

Hello, I have initiated a discussion on the Park Chanyeol talk page regarding his notability, and as a possible merge target to Exo (band), which can be found here. I would appreciate if this WikiProject could look over the article and give their opinion on the matter. Thank you. — ξxplicit 02:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Guejae Gae

Hello! I've popped in from Wikiproject Dogs to see if anyone here has any sources for this dog breed! I myself can't find any anywhere in english, so I was going to put the article up for deletion; however if there is, in fact, information on this breed, I figured your group would be the ones who knew of it. Figured I'd ask! --TKK bark ! 15:47, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

New article: Prince Jinan

Could anyone who can read Korean 1) check the Korean version of this article and see if there are any references, and 2) check for any other sources that might exist? The article was created by a serial socker, whose primary goal seems to be to support some sort of Korean political party (the account was originally blocked for adding links to that party across many Korean sites), so I'm not really able to just assume good faith that anything in the article (even the existence of the person) is accurate. Thanks! Qwyrxian (talk) 22:13, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Moon Mason

The Moon Mason page was deleted by an administrator in February 2010.

I have created a New Moon Mason article for submission that is being rejected because in the Administrators opinion Moon Mason is not a notable enough actor.

Can any interested editors give their opinion on the Administrators talk page here User_talk:Bwilkins#Request_to_undelete_Moon_Mason — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philiashasspots (talkcontribs) 02:53, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

조언을 구합니다.

(To those who fluently speak both Korean and English.)

트랜스포머 프라임 (Transformers: Prime) 문서에 '한국어 녹음에서 나카다이 미코(Miko Nakadai. 설정상 일본 국적자)가 성씨 없이 미나로 개명되었고 국적에 대한 모든 언급이 삭제되었다. 다만 EBS의 케이블/위성/IPTV 자매 채널인 EBS English에서 방송한 영어 녹음은 영향을 받지 않았다.'는 취지의 내용을 넣었습니다. 특히 (처음에는 한국 국적으로 바꾸었다가) 최종 완성본에서 국적에 대한 언급이 없어졌다고 미나를 맡은 성우 이소영씨가 개인 블로그에 직접 설명했다고 강조하려 했는데요, 제가 과연 문장을 제대로 쓴 건 지 모르겠습니다. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 15:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested image: National identity card (South Korea)

Shouldn't be difficult. Thanks! PS. Also, a photo is needed for Driving license in South Korea. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 18:40, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

An IP user from Delhi edits the Hangul article

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I can't unambiguously identify this as a sneaky vandalism or gross incompetence, so ask experts to cope with it. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 11:13, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Korean question at RD

Please see my question at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Poverty_in_Korea. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:55, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Peer Review for Gakhwangjeon Hall

Please assist in the peer review for Gakhwangjeon Hall, a National Treasure at the temple of Hwaeomsa. Some fresh pairs of eyes would be helpful in improving this article so that it one day might reach FA status. Is something missing? Is it too detailed? Do you have photos? For your interest I would be happy to assist in other articles. Thank you.Waygugin (talk) 13:45, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Contradictory American casualties data

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Korean War#American casualties number. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:29, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation help needed.

Greetings. There are presently a large number of incoming links to the disambiguation page, Democratic Party (South Korea) (see incoming links). Please help fix these links so that they point to the intended articles. Cheers! bd2412 T 03:57, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Hideki Tōjō

Hideki Tōjō has been proposed to be renamed, see talk:Hideki Tōjō ; As Korea was a Japanese possession during his premiership, I thought I'd let you know -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 00:23, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

companies of Korea

has been nominated for deletion. If such companies exist in North Korea, or pre-Korean War Korea, then sort their articles into the categories to have them kept, or delete them if they only exist for South Korea. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 22:46, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

East Sea

The usage of East Sea is under discussion, see talk:East Sea -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 00:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. ₪RicknAsia₪ 04:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Population numbers for North Korean cities: Korean-language articles vs. English-language articles

I have noticed that many English-language articles on North Korean cities cite population estimates from 1991. However, many of the Korean-language pages for the same cities appear to (I don't read Korean) provide figures from 2008 that are often significantly different from the 1991 figures. Will someone with Korean language skills please ascertain the validity of the figures on the Korean pages and update the English pages accordingly?

Hello, this is GaHee a Wikipedia new starter(Korean). I'm not sure if it is right editing here to talk to you about your request(?) above. Please excuse me if I'm wrong. I am learning how to use Wikipedia in University. About you request, more people in Korea know how to speak and write in English. The experts are now increasing. So, could you wait for a while? Every Korean Wikis are here to update the English pages. They are working hard ;) I hope this reply was helpful. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GaHee Park (talkcontribs) 10:52, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Flora of North Korea

is a stubby stub. anyone have any info to add? Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:50, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Donghak Peasant Revolution

For English speakers;

I believe that there are enough Koreans who are knowledgeable on the subject, other than me. I've been rewriting the whole article, and now I'm fixing the refs, but other experts are free to redo the content. For information, 9,280 results in Google for Donghak Peasant Revolution. In Google Book, 210 results; just 135 in Google Scholar. Also see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history.--Seonoo of Kim (ANSWER IN MY T.A.L.K. P.A.G.E!!!!!!!!!) 06:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)


For Korean speakers;

저는 동학농민운동이라는 주제의 전문가입나다. 하지만 작년 11월부터, 오직 저와 자동 프로그램만 이 큰 주제를 위키백과에 채워나가고 있습니다. 위키백과가 진정한 세계적 백과사전이 되려면 동학농민운동이라는 큰 사건이 GA (좋은 글) 수준은 되야 되지 않겠습니까? 저 혼자서는 이런 주제를 완성할 수 없습니다. 정녕 영어를 모르면 seonookim@naver.com에 이메일이라도 보내십시오. 한국 분들은 네이버나 구글에서 쉽게 자료를 찾을 수 있다고 신뢰하니 link는 넣지 않겠습니다. 감사합니다.--Seonoo of Kim (ANSWER IN MY T.A.L.K. P.A.G.E!!!!!!!!!) 06:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Television of the North

I can supply some pictures of any program on the North's Television, because I have access to it (live). Should I? If yes, which? EdwardRech Flag of Latvia.svg (talk) 12:56, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Korean students on English Wikipedia

I am teaching a class at Hanyang University, and my students are editing Wikipedia. I am sure they would be thrilled to hear suggestions and encouragements from members of this WikiProject, even a simple welcome to a few students would greatly motivate them, I am sure. You can find the list of the students at Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/User:Piotrus/Spring_2013#Students_editors. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:05, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

That is a cool idea for an ESL class. I'd love to see the progress on their work but it looks like I can't watchlist their pages until they make the initial pages. Cheers~ ₪RicknAsia₪ 11:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll ping you when they do so; in the meantime you may want to watchlist their talk pages. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Korean film debate

Yet again the template is being suggested for deletion/merge and need the opinion of our community. Please give your opinion on what should be done.

Find debate here: Non-standard film infoboxes merge proposal

Thank you. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 23:34, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Korean people renames

A large number of Korean person articles are up for renaming, see Talk:Lee Kang-Seok -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 07:04, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Korean film

{{Infobox Korean film}} has been proposed to be eliminated, see WP:TFD -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 08:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Daikon (Korean radish)

Daikon has been proposed to be renamed, see talk:Daikon -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 21:33, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Portal

Given the tense situation, please would Korean-speakers keep an eye on the Korean Portal. Thank you. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:31, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Name standardization by the ministry of culture

Did anyone see this? The new official name standardization from SK: http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130310000236 Maybe we should follow, too, as it is quite haphazard in Wikipedia, as well. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 20:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I think there is a good amount of articles that already use this method (Example: Jeon Hye-bin). I like the allowed version more since new learners can break it down by syllables. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 23:39, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Doorwarning-seoulsubway.jpg

file:Doorwarning-seoulsubway.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 05:49, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Notability of Bumin Hospital Group of Indang Medical Foundation

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bumin Hospital Group of Indang Medical Foundation is ready for review but I am not familiar enough with the hospitals in Korea to know if this meets Wikipedia's notability requirements. I'll take any help I can get. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Asian film Infoboxes Merging

As per a discussion the three Asian film Templates will be merging. I'd appreciate as many editors get a chance to look over this and contribute their thoughts as to how the four film infoboxes will be merged together. Thank you. ₪RicknAsia₪ 16:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Need help at Template:Kim Jong-il family

Hi, I just added the template Template:Kim Jong-il family to Wikiproject Korea (as Top importance too because it's an important part of very high-profile articles). Recent high readership has been causing a flurry of edits to the template and one aspect that's been changing is the romanization of the Korean names. This was good however as it brought to my attention Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles. The most recent editor to change the names, I think has brought the template into conformance with the manual of style for North Korean related topics. However the biographic articles that the templates link to (which are all also North Korean topics) use a different romanization. This may indicate a large non-conformance between those articles and the manual of style. So I'm bringing the issue here for advice and some help. I don't speak Korean, except for this template, haven't done much editing on Korean topics; that makes it extra hard to know what to do. Should all the biographic articles' romanization be changed now? Please also see the discussion at Template_talk:Kim_Jong-il_family#Romanization. Jason Quinn (talk) 18:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Wokou

There's a dispute at Wokou (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and Talk:Wokou, that was brought up at WT:JAPAN. -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 06:48, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Working groups

I think Hip Hop should be removed from the working groups section since it should fit in Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Arts under Korean music. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 14:59, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

National Information & Credit Evaluation

Another editor created National Information & Credit Evaluation. This is a Korean credit ratings company which is also known as NICE Group. The article needs references, but I am having difficulty finding English-language ones. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 06:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Cheongju vs yakju difference

Hello! Could you please help to answer this question? Thanks a lot! Teemeah 편지 (letter) 08:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

merging Government of North Korea into Cabinet of North Korea

Hi. I added this proporsal in the correspondent articles but so far nor results. Could anyone comment there and develop the issue? Superzohar Red star.svg Talk 05:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Gene Yoon

Gene Yoon needs cleanup, whenever the resumee material is removed, it is readded, and it is unsourced to boot. Can someone see what is significant about this Korean? -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:12, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Seoul Metropolitan Library

Someone interested should fix this article and add it to the DYK. I just created it, and it can be perfect hook...

Seoul Metropolitan Library

Thank you in advance! --WhiteWriterspeaks 10:35, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

It's already long enough for a DYK, all it needs are more inline cites. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:24, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

ErnestBethel.JPG

file:ErnestBethel.JPG has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 03:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Looking for a Korean Campus Ambassador

I wonder if anybody here would be interested in becoming a Wikipedia:Campus Ambassador for the Seoul area? I will be teaching another course in the fall (see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea#Korean_students_on_English_Wikipedia) and I am considering allowing students to edit Korean Wikipedia. But I'd need a Korean speaker familiar with Korean Wikipedia to help them out if issues arise there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Meetups?

I hear there was a meetup a year ago in Seoul, shouldn't it be listed at Wikipedia:Meetup? Also, any plans for a future one? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

There was one last year in Yeouido if I remember correctly. I only saw info posted on the Korean wiki as a banner. Would be interested in attending if I know I can use English as my Korean is alright but limited. Would be interested in one if another is scheduled. ₪RicknAsia₪ 20:10, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Worst case we could try to schedule something ourselves :) Anyone else reading this who is actually in Korea and would like to attend? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I am down for it. Sorry for the late reply as I just saw this now. I bet you can recommend a coffee shop at a good local university ;) ₪RicknAsia₪ 15:34, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, I actually spend most of my time at a campus in Ansan, not Seoul, but I am at Hanyang University twice a week. How's your time on Tue or Thur? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:28, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
On those days I end work at 4:30 in central Seoul. I would be available after work either any Tue or Thur. How do those days look for you next week? ₪RicknAsia₪ 15:04, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

North Korea portal started

Hi! To complement the North Korea portal on the Chinese Wikipedia, I started Portal:North Korea WhisperToMe (talk) 03:18, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps we can ask {{user North Korea}} Wikipedians in North Korea to help. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 05:54, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Help with an article?

Hi all! I need some help with an article. The article in question is Busan Gaeseong Middle School murder and the biggest issue comes from translation. I can see that the Korean Wikipedia page has an entry ([4]) that has more details and sources. This looks to be potentially notable by the standards here on this Wikipedia, so I'd hate to see this deleted when it could be saved. Basically, I need people to help translate and add information from the Korean sources and establish notability. I'll help where I can, but I don't speak Korean and can only use Google Translate, so I'm working with a serious handicap. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:52, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

  • I can remove the PROD and it will be forced into AFD. Also you can go on the Korean Wikipedia embassy ko: 위키백과:대사관 and ask for help there. There are some individuals I know on the Korean Wikipedia that can help too WhisperToMe (talk) 19:22, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
  • I wish I could help but my Korean isn't good. If the article looks like it will most likely get deleted, can somebody just move it as a sub-page under her page? Hate to see something get deleted without preserving the information/work. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 20:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
    • You can post in English at the embassy. A Korean speaker there can help you. Several users on the Korean Wikipedia speak English. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Manchukuo discussion

Here's a notice from Benlisquare about a topic which may interest people here:

It's currently being disputed whether Manchukuo was a puppet state or not. At the moment, I'm trying to compile a list of books and academic papers that refer to Manchukuo as a "puppet state". If anyone would like to help with expanding the list, please add a few more sources to the list at Talk:Manchukuo#NPOV "puppet state". Thanks. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 02:35, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Please participate if interested. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

MOS discussion about removing non-Roman script names from lede sentence

There is an ongoing discussion about amending Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section to discourage listing non-English names of subjects in the lede sentence of articles, and to encourage moving them to an infobox or footnote. This may be of interest to those of us here at WP:KOREA since our own articles are inconsistent in this regard: some use {{ko-hhrm}} or {{lang-ko}} to include Korean names in the lede sentence, while others use only {{Infobox Korean name}} and don't list any Korean names in the lede, and some do both. In any case, your comments are welcome on the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Proposal: move most translations and transliterations from lead sentence to footnote. Thanks, quant18 (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Discussion: Korean given name articles

I just want to get people's opinion on the articles that are being created now for Korean given names. The category containing these names can be found here.

In my opinion, this is a useless collection of articles, and the list of names is basically endless. There's no list of English given names, so should there really be a list of Korean names?

Additionally, now the same user who is creating these articles has begun to create articles about individual syllables within given names. Examples include Jae and Young.

I'm curious to see what other people think of this. I just don't think that the creation of these articles improves Wikipedia at all. If they are to exist, perhaps the Wiktionary would be a better place for them since the articles usually include only one sentence explaining that it is a name or a syllable, and then a list of famous people who share the name. Rystheguy (talk) 04:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

i will add names soon by --Sunuraju (talk) 04:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
because you wrote Nam (Korean name) and Kwang right? i deiced to add Young, Jae and Byung, Woo and many more by --Sunuraju (talk) 05:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
I didn't write Nam (Korean name) or Kwang. Nam is about a family name, not a given name. It's mentioned in the article that it is also a syllable in some Korean names. Rystheguy (talk) 09:37, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

My comments:

  1. The WP:OTHERCRAPDOESNTEXIST argument isn't correct; WP:SETINDEX articles about individual given names, listing the original orthography for those names and the Wikipedia articles of people with that given name, are a well-established practise under Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy. See for example the entire category tree Category:Given names by culture.
  2. Additionally, there's lists of given names for a number of countries & cultures, both annotated (e.g. List of Irish-language given names) and unannotated (e.g. List of Arabic theophoric names), etc. Along with ranking lists like List of most popular given names by state in the United States.
  3. Individual syllable articles are probably useless. If the same syllable is a surname or an actual given name in and of itself, it may be worth mentioning given names containing that syllable as well; the general practise on more well-developed pages (e.g. Bert (name) is to list etymologically related names (e.g. Robert, Bertrand) on the page, but not every individual holder of the names themselves (just those whose name is exactly Bert).
  4. I haven't been creating articles about individual syllables in given names, but I cleaned up a number of the really old pre-existing ones (untouched since 2007 or so) like Kyung, Eun, Kwang, etc. which just willy-nilly listed every single person having that syllable in their name (which would have gone to hundreds or thousands of entries if they'd been filled out).
  5. Some of these characters are used as surnames as well; surname pages are generally easier to develop as articles in addition to just being set index pages, since there's more data & and other historical material written about them.

Cheers, quant18 (talk) 07:19, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, I see your point. The single-syllable articles are the ones that motivated me to write this. I mentioned the given names because I didn't see them being very useful but I can see now after looking at some of the lists you provided that the articles can become more detailed and helpful in some situations. I also wasn't saying that because no list of English names exists, that no Korean list should. I was just saying that if you think of it in terms of English names, it would be silly to try to create articles for every English given name that exists. How would you go about determining if they were all notable? There are new names being created every day, and at what point can you say that a name is notable enough to have its own encyclopaedia article? A list would make more sense, in my opinion, than to create individual articles for every name. As for the single-syllable name articles, I still think they're useless unless, like you said, they are surnames or can stand alone as a complete given name. Rystheguy (talk) 07:57, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

i add Sang-hyun today by --Sunuraju (talk) 04:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Removal of Hangul

Question. Can someone comment on whether this diff in line with WP KOREA MOS or general practice? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:50, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

But I'm assuming that this edit is okay with general practice? Some guidance please. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
  • "Where relevant, Korean templates should be used in preference to long lists of romanized, Hangul, and Hanja spellings," per MOS:KO. Kauffner (talk) 03:59, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
This is probably related to the MOS notice a few sections above? -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 04:25, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Portuguese in Asia

You show as (at least) one of the teams in the Asian League is Portuguese-- was this team Macanense, before reversion? Otherwise it makes little sense, as Portugal plays in UEFA, not Asia. An explanation "asterisked" to the Portuguese flag might be in order, to minimize confusion.76.104.198.200 (talk) 05:42, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Na Ri

The usage of Na Ri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see Talk:Na Ry -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 04:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Korean pottery maepyong 5.jpg

File:Korean pottery maepyong 5.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 05:54, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Hyundai Ambition.jpg

image:Hyundai Ambition.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 06:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Li family and various homophonic family names, and various spellings

See Talk:Lì (chinese surname) for a mess regarding various Lee/Li surnames. -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 04:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Prostitution in South Korea and Pure blood theory in Korea

User:Shrigley is attempting to associate prostitution issues in South Korea with "Pure blood theory", which have been renamed to Korean ethnic nationalism after two consensus-making processes[5][6]. There is also a controversy whether an interview of ten Korean men is sufficient enough to make sweeping arguments about Korean attitude towards transnational prostitution. Cydevil38 (talk) 11:18, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

AfC review request

Hi folks, could someone take a look at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/South Korea Ballistic Missile Guidelines Revision and see if that's fit for inclusion. I'm not comfortable making a decision on that when it is a potentially loaded issue which may subtly misrepresent things I am not aware off. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:53, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Image deletion on Commons

Since WP:JAPAN has already been notified here, I thought that it would be equally fair to notify WikiProject Korea as well. On Commons, File:8-2earthquake-kanto.jpg, which is an old photograph of a Korean being killed by Japanese vigilantes following the 1923 Great Kantō earthquake, has been nominated for deletion. For those who are interested, feel free to participate in the discussion. -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 10:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of NEASS for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article NEASS is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NEASS until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 21:14, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

carrod salat

can anyoune make an article? http://via.sawd.ch/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL3JidGguYXNpYS9hcnRpY2xlcy8yMDEyLzA4LzIxL2tvcmVhbl9jYXJyb3RfMTY0MDUuaHRtbA%3D%3D (Idot (talk) 11:05, 6 July 2013 (UTC))

CJKV characters as disambiguatory terms in article naming

FYI, this may touch on the area of concern of your wikiproject's topic. See Wikipedia talk:Article titles#Inadequacy of current WP:UE guideline with regard to Chinese names -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:18, 7 July 2013 (UTC)