Talk:Johannes Gutenberg

Dead link

I don’t know how how to change it but the number 4 reference is dead. Sweetpeagirl (talk) 21:28, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

fixed. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 15:43, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Excess recognitions in lede

I plan on making a change to the lede if no one disagrees. I think we should summarize the sentences about his recognitions from A&E, Lifetime, the "four prominent US journals" (dead link?), and the Catholic Encyclopedia, by writing a single sentence summarizing the general idea.

The readers can find out the specifics either in the inline citation/footnote or in the body of the article itself. According to MOS:OPEN, "The first paragraph should define or identify the topic with a neutral point of view, but without being too specific." --Pythagimedes (talk) 19:14, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2022

Remove the "This section does not cite any sources" message in the Court case part of the article since it does indeed cite sources, though not many. It may be better to replace it with an {{mcn}} tag. 172.112.210.32 (talk) 19:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done SpinningCeres 19:47, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2022

Although Gutenberg is credited with the invention of the first press, one must also realize that Asia was printing as well. In fact, it is not exactly clear how printing transitioned in Europe, noting a Hebrew chronicler at the time, “It appears that printing had already been invented in those days, for I myself have seen a book which was printed in Venice in the year one thousand four hundred and twenty-eight” Adam.grasser (talk) 12:22, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:28, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I want this added to the end of the "printing press" section. I have included all my citations.

Although Gutenberg is credited with the invention of the first printing press around 1450 A.D., one must also realize that Asia was printing during this time period.1 In fact, it is not exactly clear who invented the first printing press. As a Hebrew chronicler at the time, notes, “It appears that printing had already been invented in those days, for I myself have seen a book which was printed in Venice in the year one thousand four hundred and twenty-eight”2

1 Murray, S. (2009). The Library: An Illustrated History. Skyhorse Publishing.

2 Pollak, M. (1975). Printing in Venice, before Gutenberg? Library Quarterly, 45, 287–308. Adam.grasser (talk) 22:38, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't see anywhere in this article that claims he invented the printing press or even the first movable-type press, just that he was minimally an early developer of same and was highly influential to the printing industry after him. Maybe we should expand the "legacy" section and discuss how he has sometimes been "credited with the invention of the first press," complete with references about the whole "first" topic. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 22:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Name is probably wrong

One of the long names of Gutenberg is "Gensfleisch zur Laden gen. Gutenberg, Johannes" (source: https://www.lagis-hessen.de/pnd/118543768 - also check the article on dewiki: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Gutenberg). This "gen." is short for "genannt", which states that he was known as "Johannes Gutenberg". I suspect someone read this "gen." as "gen", which is an archaic form of "gegen", which is itself an archaic way of saying "zu/zur/zum". The article was created with the "zum Gutenberg" title and suspect this style has sufficiently polluted academic sources. I thus cannot, at this time, rule out that the english academic literature calls him so.

I am, however confident that his german name is not "... zum Gutenberg". --83.64.142.10 (talk) 14:46, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

It seems fine. Even German sources called him "zum Gutenberg" before Wikipedia: https://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/en/view/bsb11710202?page=,1 - still strange, he does not seem like nobility. --128.130.239.36 (talk) 16:14, 20 February 2023 (UTC)