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I removed the overloaded cleanup tag, which looked far less encyclopedic than anything in the article. There were also complaints in that tag that, to me, just seemed incredibly inapt, and weren't detailed on the talk page. (For example, I can't imagine one reasonably describing this article as a "collection of lists"; I also don't see the "overloaded IBs [infoboxes]" complaint.) That said, I have added back a few flags using the multiple issues template--[[User:Jerome Frank Disciple|Jerome Frank Disciple]] ([[User talk:Jerome Frank Disciple|talk]]) 01:49, 15 April 2023 (UTC) |
I removed the overloaded cleanup tag, which looked far less encyclopedic than anything in the article. There were also complaints in that tag that, to me, just seemed incredibly inapt, and weren't detailed on the talk page. (For example, I can't imagine one reasonably describing this article as a "collection of lists"; I also don't see the "overloaded IBs [infoboxes]" complaint.) That said, I have added back a few flags using the multiple issues template--[[User:Jerome Frank Disciple|Jerome Frank Disciple]] ([[User talk:Jerome Frank Disciple|talk]]) 01:49, 15 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== Vandalism and edit warring by Zsinj == |
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{{reply to|Zsinj}} Why are you edit-warring to reinsert vandalism that is [[WP:OR]] and unsupported by the given references? |
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[[Special:Contributions/2601:547:500:2090:653F:F926:9256:E4D3|2601:547:500:2090:653F:F926:9256:E4D3]] ([[User talk:2601:547:500:2090:653F:F926:9256:E4D3|talk]]) 01:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC) |
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I see there's been some edit warring over MOS:RACECAPS. I don't have a dog in this fight, but the last discussion seemed to repeatedly bring up the possibility of an RFC, though one was never brought up.
I'd also point out that this has been discussed a few times at the RACECAPS talk page.
- In mid 2020, the issue was discussed, but the closing admin actually considered a far narrower issue: whether to require capitalization of "B/black". (See second paragraph of closing statement.)
- MOS:RACECAPS actually directly comments on this proposal, saying (in note h):
A June–December 2020 proposal to capitalize "Black" (only) concluded against that idea, and also considered "Black and White", and "black and white", with no consensus to implement a rule requiring either or against mixed use where editors at a particular article believe it's appropriate. The status quo practice had been that either style was permissible, and this proposal did not overturn that. The somewhat unclear proposal closure was refined January–April 2021 and implemented, after a February–March 2021 overhaul of the rest of this section - Note: I could be having a brain lapse, but the bolded text doesn't make a ton of sense to me. It seems like it's trying to say "no consensus to implement a rule either requiring or prohibiting mixed use," but I'm speculating. I've asked on the talk page of MOS:RACECAPS to check.
- MOS:RACECAPS actually directly comments on this proposal, saying (in note h):
- In early 2022, there was a discussion that involved a few of the editors involved in this page's above debate. The editors debated whether Black/white had been ruled out by the June 2020 debate, and, by my reading, a majority of editors pointed out that mixed capitalization was the most opposed option in that debate, while a minority of editors seemed to suggest that it was mandatory mixed use that was opposed, and, regardless, the ultimate result was no consensus.
I bring this all up because I think the issue should be discussed on the talk page, rather than subject to continuing reverts in the article content, so I'm hoping this sparks discussion. It seems to me that an appropriate reaction to all this would be to either:
- Debate whether MOS:RACECAPS allows mixed capitalization on this talk page (potentially using any appropriate dispute-resolution tools), or
- Start a discussion on MOS:RACECAPS asking that the guideline be changed to explicitly allow/bar mixed-use capitalization.
Hope this helps--Jerome Frank Disciple (talk) 15:05, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Cleanup tag
I removed the overloaded cleanup tag, which looked far less encyclopedic than anything in the article. There were also complaints in that tag that, to me, just seemed incredibly inapt, and weren't detailed on the talk page. (For example, I can't imagine one reasonably describing this article as a "collection of lists"; I also don't see the "overloaded IBs [infoboxes]" complaint.) That said, I have added back a few flags using the multiple issues template--Jerome Frank Disciple (talk) 01:49, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
Vandalism and edit warring by Zsinj
@Zsinj: Why are you edit-warring to reinsert vandalism that is WP:OR and unsupported by the given references?
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsa_race_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=1151274653
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsa_race_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=1151274821
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tulsa_race_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=1151276299
2601:547:500:2090:653F:F926:9256:E4D3 (talk) 01:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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