Talk:Marianne Williamson

Not nearly complete...

I'm unclear on a lot of the details, but she was also a minister(for lack of a better word) at the Church of Today (later the Church of Renaissance Unity) in Warren Michigan. There was also a rather ugly departure from the church. Oh yes, it also had a TV show; "Sunday's With Marianne" I believe. I'm not much for elegant wording, so if somebody else wanted to add this in...yeah.

I stuck the stub tag on there. This article really needs more to it. I would do it myself, but you know, exam time :P Limited Moon

This article needs a lot more information. I'm no expert on Marianne Williamson, but I know she has a much more extensive biography, there is much more involved in how she became an author, and I know that the Course in Miracles has its own substantial history that precedes her, and she somehow got involved in popularizing it again. There must be somebody out there who knows all of these details. Jurgfella (talk) 14:57, 10 March 2013 (UTC)jurgfella

Because the article contains no information whatsoever about her relationship (or former relationship) with Unity Church, I removed "{{Unity footer}}". Editors can feel free to put it back in, if some explanation is provided in the article. 71.219.214.111 (talk) 15:21, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I am familiar with Marianne from when she first became an author. It should be pointed out that most of her thoughts and books come from "A Course in Miracles". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.107.113.20 (talk) 13:07, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Performed Merge

The book had it's own article with very little information. It is doubtful this person meets WP:BIO, but a merge will at least put the information in one place. The article on the book has very little. Ste4k 18:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The redirect from the merge left about four links ambiguous which I cleaned up. Ste4k 19:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Some notes while I am working on this article: I condensed the thesis and completed the merge removing redundancy and added the reference section. Some notes on the reference section: Please don't add "official" web sites since WP cannot ever determine whom is official and whom is not unless the subject in question actually owns the site and is listed with the internet registrar. Also, it's very touching that links to CD's and music sites were added, but a notable person such as Marianne really doesn't need the hype associated with her name and people can dig for those sorts of things on their own. It doesn't make sense to pick out one of thousands of music/CD/DVD sites and associate that site with the subject and it could easily be misconstrued as advertising for one or another site or connecting that site purposely with her name. Ste4k 20:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I dug into the officialness of the web-site in question and the most that we can actually print without any original research is simply the name, address, and webmaster, etc., since it hasn't received any notoriaty of its own at this time. Ste4k 21:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

This is fairly NPOV now, has a variety of notable sources, shows her many perspectives, and it topic centric. Ste4k 22:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

This article is pretty good for a stub, and is quite informative. However, there were a few little grammatical errors (I've fixed a couple) I also removed "But the press has failed to give her the praise she deserves for her work for dying AIDS and cancer patients and the homeless on L.A.'s streets." because it could be interpreted as POV (the Centers for Living sentence is sufficient).

The last paragraph (the part starting with "the message fills...") may also need to be rechecked as possibly being POV. Also, you should give some examples of some of her published works - there's a chance they could have articles on here (if they do, link them - if not, don't). Other than that, it's pretty good. --Coredesat talk 05:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding "the message fills", I agree that it appears POV, however, since it is nearly a direct quote of the cited source, it would actually be POV to change it in any way. It should be noted that no mention here is given to whether or not "filling" is good or bad or otherwise, nor that it does this "filling" in a qualitative sense such as "well" or "poorly". It was a tough decision to make right there. The only POV that I can still admit remains is that by stating that there is something that it "fills", the statement implies that there is a gap. There isn't any real resource to cite for such a gap, nor did the article in question go deep enough to justify that comment. Ste4k 08:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

After some consideration on the matter, I will change the word "fills" to "addresses", and look at rewording that clause. Ste4k 08:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

About the "But the press..." sentence, you should probably leave out the "the press failed to give her the praise she deserves..." even though it's almost a direct quote, but instead rephrase it into something more NPOV, like "(sentence about her opening the Centers for Living). Despite this, she has failed to attract any attention or awareness from the press" or something like that. That's probably not much less POV, but writing NPOV articles is fairly hard work. --Coredesat talk 10:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you completely. And will try to reword and possibly meld the two statements together. We shouldn't be agreeing with any particular POV statement made by a cited source. Ste4k 10:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I replaced that whole section with a comma, and removed some jumbly words, moved the large citation which backs up the others to the end of the entire affair. Hope that works. The way reads now though is that the press is "popular". That should also be removed, imho. Ste4k 10:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The sentence "That is the essential core of her appeal" should be merged with the preceding sentence somehow to remove the earlier concern, and specifically the mention of a "void" between the two philosophies which is implied POV. Ste4k 10:42, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Objectionable introductory sentences. And . . .

My problem with the introductory sentences is that they sound as though they were written for the purpose of giving positive publicity to the subject of this article.

And, it's hard to believe that there aren't a fair number of people who have criticized her work. Why does the article say nothing whatsoever about them?Daqu (talk) 20:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

A second objection: her description as a politician. She has not held any political office. Therefore, "aspiring politician" may be a more appropriate description. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6000:AA00:FBB2:222:69FF:FE4C:408B (talk) 17:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

2014 US House campaign

Wukai/AlsoWukai; you need to (1) Explain your edits using the WP:EDITSUMMARY field, and (2) Gain WP:CONSENSUS for your changes, which you have been edit-warring over for a day and a half now. Per WP:BRD, please do not make any further changes until you gain consensus on this talkpage. Softlavender (talk) 00:45, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

She opposes mandatory vaccination

She described them as "Orwellian". An editor has whitewashed this from the article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:39, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Another editor deleted her remarks in full and added some campaign speak on the issue to replace the RS reporting - which is not how we do things. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 13:09, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I have started a discussion on the BLP noticeboard.[1] I cannot discuss this here with myself while it's being reverted by editors who not only remove the text without cause but are brazen enough to insist that I "discuss on article talkpage" while they themselves are no-shows.[2] Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:30, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Relatedly, I also think its interesting that any references to the term 'new age' seem to have been removed from the body.

A Course in Miracles

I have come back to the editing team after a 21 year period of a severe disability. I apologize if my remarks are not done correctly. I have been involved with "A Course in Miracles" (ACIM) from close to the beginning. I have studied the Text, done the Workbook, read the Manual for Teachers many times over many hours and years. I was involved in the version wars and so much more. I understand it and was able to to realize the end result over a period of 3 days on a silent meditation retreat.

Now that Marianne is a presidential candidate, it should be added to her profile her close association with ACIM. Many if not most of the ideas in her books come from ACIM. She has co-authored at least one early book. She teaches ACIM.

I read a transcript of the second debate. It was clear to me then that she still has not fully understood some of the key concepts of ACIM. She obviously judges the current President. Judgement is one of the key psychological mechanisms that started and maintains the great separation. In addition, she cannot manipulate Love in some kind of political battlefield. Love has no favorites.

I still have the severe disability. I do not think that I can re-learn Wikipedia's editing skills and catch up with the new ones or write a section properly. If you look at my profile, I have a star for some of my work on ACIM. At this point I need someone to step up and carry the torch. I would be happy to try to help. For a start go the Goggle and look up Marianne Williamson together with A Course in Miracles.

—Who123 12:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

basic income

her website says she supports universal basic income like andrew yang. is this notable for the article? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Michael Ten (talk) 16:58, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Strange Accent

It would be interesting to know how she got such a strange accent. Has she spent a lot of time abroad or with people not born in the US? Where does this odd accent come from? 125.25.17.107 (talk) 07:08, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

"Has she spent a lot of time...with people not born in the US?" Her parents perhaps? HiLo48 (talk) 03:41, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Sure, but where did they get it? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:28, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

"Her father, and maternal grandparents, were Russian Jewish immigrants..." HiLo48 (talk) 07:30, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

And then she grew up in Texas. Technically part of America, but a strange part, including accent-wise. And then Houston is "a bit different" from the stereotypical cowgirl twang, more just your average gigantic urban "Western world" melting pot. Anyway, I like the cut of her jib, however it happened. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:17, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I found Houston to have a high Spanish speaking population, especially among service staff. Maybe Marianne had a Spanish speaking nanny. HiLo48 (talk) 02:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

She also had a "wasted decade" touring 1970s California. Plenty of everything down that road, I hear. Can't blame her parents or nanny for what she picked up there, it was probably Jane Fonda's fault somehow. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article under Mid-Atlantic accent includes her in the list under "Elite use". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6000:AA00:FBB2:222:69FF:FE4C:408B (talk) 17:56, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Political positions

This is a strange article. I did not know of this person before stumbling on this article. I find the "Political positions" section much too long for someone who never seems to have held political office and who is not a key figure in politics at any level. Why does the article outline her political opinion in such detail? From what I can tell she is primarily notable for her books on spirituality. I propose we shorten this section to just the opinions that are her key opinions and those that have achieve national attention in some way. Ashmoo (talk) 07:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

“Spiritual Leader”?

Is this an appropriate description of Ms. Williamson? A cursory search of the rest of wikipedia shows that this is a relatively rare descriptor, that seems to be used mostly for people who are actually actively members of clergy or religious organizations. 2601:19B:B00:2CD:1141:BC4B:FBDD:6B0C (talk) 01:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

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Page for 2024 Presidential campaign

The subheading on 2020 presidential campaign has one. Should 2024? Apinchofspence (talk) 22:54, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

It should But for sooome reason it was rejected. Even RFK Jr. got a wiki article faster than her. Sgt12221 (talk) 02:44, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Russia, Ukraine

Nowhere is there any reference to her positions on Russia, Ukraine and NATO. Difficult to justify ... Lestrad (talk) 06:49, 24 April 2023 (UTC)