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May 14

Scoreboard of the Camp Nou stadium

Hello. This photo shows Solskjaer's final 2-1 goal in the incredible 1999 Champions League final, won by Manchester United over Bayern Munich. You can see above, the scoreboard showing the old result (1:1) but without the name of the scorer of the goal of the momentary English equaliser, signed by Teddy Sheringham. Is it possible that the names of United's goalscorers appeared on the scoreboard after the final whistle? The match was settled after the 90th minute, with the English turning the tables in two minutes (91st and 93rd) and winning the game. Thank you very much. https://www.google.it/search?q=manchester+bayern+1999+scoreboard+stadium&sxsrf=APwXEdfAYtl2LWmHWBhEeSMP3xT-Be0B9g:1684087932714&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj2w_-3tPX-AhU6Q_EDHfO1CPsQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1964&bih=985&dpr=0.9#imgrc=7sKFR4FGI53IXM&imgdii=vP4X30lhLoTNxM 93.41.96.86 (talk) 18:27, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Scoreboard technology was relatively primitive back then, especially on one shaped like that in the linked picture. However, there are pictures of a large rectangular scoreboard elsewhere in the stadium (see here for example) that would seemingly have been able to display scorers names. --Xuxl (talk) 14:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't that primitive. After all, it looks like it is displaying the Bayern Munich scorer under their side of the scoreboard. Photo-quality scoreboards were available in the 1990s. They were expensive, but a stadium for the calibre of Camp Nou could afford such a scoreboard. Jumbotron technology was almost 2 decades old by 1999. --Jayron 32 16:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes exactly, I was referring to the big screens. https://www.gettyimages.it/detail/fotografie-di-cronaca/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-scores-his-second-sides-fotografie-di-cronaca/1090909712

Father Ted: Craggy Island, Speed 3 & The Mainland locations

What were the exact Father Ted filming locations for Craggy Island and the episodes Speed 3 and The Mainland? 86.130.77.121 (talk) 21:16, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For filming locations for Craggy Island, see the article that you linked to above.

This blog says some of Speed 3 was filmed at Kilfenora in County Clare.

Our Father Ted#Location article says: The 'Very Dark Caves' featured in 'The Mainland' were the Aillwee caves in the Burren, County Clare.

Alansplodge (talk) 16:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Was the town where Ted was driving behind it Kilfenora? See the 0:08-0:10 scene on YouTube. And what town was used for The Mainland - where Ted drop off Mrs Doyle, where Jack left the opticians and walking into the street before going into the AA meeting building and where he entered a pub at night? 86.130.77.121 (talk) 21:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I know no more than the linked sources say. Alansplodge (talk) 10:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May 15

National identity

Do white ethnic fans in general, and English national team footballers, tend to describe themselves as more English or British? Thanks. 93.41.96.86 (talk) 20:35, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The question is too unspecified to answer meaningfully. Which "white ethnic fans" – English, Scottish, Greek, Romanian, Manx? In what context – while cheering on a team, while discussing European politics? While filling out a census form?

I, for example, am by most definitions "white" (though I tend not to think in such terms – ultimately, we're all of African descent) and might describe myself as English, British or European depending on context. Also, colour does not necessarily correlate with culture, which is more immediately relevant to most (unbigotted) people.

An England team player could potentially have been qualified to play for up to five different national teams, by virtue of his/her four grandparents' nationalities and his/her own long-term country of residence. (It's not uncommon for a footballer to have played for one country's team at youth level and another at senior level.) They might define themselves as English while playing for England but, for example, British or British-Cypriot or Cypriot in their family home or at their local pub. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 13:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As with everything connected with British society, it's very complicated. This article, Is it the English question – or the British question? The three strands of Britishness, tries to unpick the conundrum. Alansplodge (talk) 16:30, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most people contain multitudes, which is to say that how one interacts with the various cultures of the world, and ancestries, and the like, is not easily summed up in a single word, nor fixed in time, etc. People can be multiple things in any number of different contexts. --Jayron 32 18:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. As affirmed in the LSE article, there are also significant scope of regional identities within England. On all-English level these identities are less prominent than 'English' and 'British' identities, but I'd think that those numbers aren't evenly distributed. Here a seminar on Northern identities in politics. --Soman (talk) 18:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Although not many people would give their nationality as "Yorkshire". A possible exception is Cornwall, where there is modest but vociferous support for Cornish nationalism and as a result, one can officially define oneself as "Cornish" in the UK Census. Alansplodge (talk) 22:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a side comment, it's very far from unusual for an athlete who lives in the United States, and may have spent all of most of his or her youth in the U.S., to play in international contests (e.g. the Olympics, the World Cup, the Grand Slam, international golfing) for a country of birth or of descent if she or he can claim nationality (e.g. grandchildren of Italian or Irish citizens can inherit Italian or Irish nationality).

I think that this is completely honest on both sides most of the time, but the athlete benefits from a less-competitive field, while the assumed or ancestral country can boast of being represented by a world-class athlete with a reasonable chance of winning it an international trophy. —— Shakescene (talk) 15:58, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May 17

"Provocative" question :-)

Request for opinions --Jayron 32 12:59, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Forgive the provocative question; could one hypothetically include Jean Dujardin in the list of 50/100 or more, best actors ever that I know, along with even the likes of Toshiro Mifune, Anthony Hopkins or Gary Oldman? Then there would be other legends as well, (De Niro, Hoffman, Nicholson, Pacino, DDL etc.) but I cannot mention them all. Please let me know, I would really value your opinion on this. Thank you very much. 93.41.96.86 (talk) 12:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See top of this page: "We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate." Philvoids (talk) 12:59, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are, of course, free to make your own "N best actors of all times" list. Then you can include anybody you fancy. --Lambiam 06:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rhode Island vote

It is well known my fondness for punch cards, I am doing assiduous research but have not been able to find much. I know that in the past several New England States, adopted similar systems, along with paper ballots and lever machines, the systems were mixed. Of the six New England States, is it possible that some Rhode Island towns adopted Votomatics in the past? Thank you. 93.41.96.86 (talk) 15:38, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have found several sources that show that Rhode Island was using optical scanner systems statewide as far back as 2000; I can't find any information from earlier than that. Most states dumped the remaining punch card systems shortly after 2000, but Rhode Island wasn't one of those using such a system at that point.[1], [2], [3]. However, this document shows there was an 1897 court case in Rhode Island on the legitimacy of punch card ballots,[4] showing that they were in use, in that state, at that time, specifically John McTammany's system. That's still some 48 years before the first Votomatic punch card systems came online, however. Can't find much else than that, however. --Jayron 32 16:16, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah forgive me, I was imprecise and vague, my fault. I was referring mostly to the 1980s, because later I assume the 1990s until the 2000s no State in New England used punch cards anymore; maybe some Massachusetts precicnt but that was a variant (the Datavote). From what little I know, besides the aforementioned State also Maine, Vermont and I think until 1986 New Hampshire, (you can always correct me if I am wrong not even being American) adopted this system in those years, mixed with others. That left Connceticut, which if I am not mistaken has always used mechanical levers, and Rhode Island; on the latter state I could not find much of what I was looking for. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.41.96.86 (talk) 16:36, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have a question about public libraries and public pools/rec centers?

I'm not sure but is it correct to at least assume that most or at least many countries don't have public libraries and public pools or rec center? I'm curious about this fact. 2001:569:5026:8A00:91BB:ADB8:6CAD:184F (talk) 18:26, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be surprised if more than an isolated few countries do not have both. Looking at the bottom three countries in our list of countries by GDP (nominal), each has one or more public libraries. --Lambiam 19:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In our inter-library loan program, there are 203 countries listed. Googling, I see that there are currently 195 countries in the world. I assume that the program has countries that no longer exist or have disputed status, which increases the number shown. The point is that it appears that I can request a loan from every country, which implies that every country has a library. I feel that I should note that I cannot actually complete a loan request. For example, if I make a request to North Korea, it will be rejected immediately. I don't know if the rejection is on our end or theirs. 97.82.165.112 (talk) 13:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An example of a state not included in the count of 195 is the Republic of China, more commonly known as "Taiwan", after the island. It is recognized by by 12 UN member states and participates in the Olympic Games. A list of de-facto states can be found in our List of sovereign states, which in total currently lists 206 countries. --Lambiam 18:16, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's good to point out that there are no actual official sanctioning bodies that decide when a country can be a country; there are just varying degrees of countryness, from "One nutter claimed this plot of land and called it a country" to "Everyone in the world agrees its a country". Given that, determining exactly how many countries there are in the world is a bit fuzzy around the borders, and "200ish" is about as close as anyone can get without declaring themselves political enemies of at least a few of the other 200ish countries. CGP Grey did an excellent video explaining some of the problems with counting how many countries there are in This Video. --Jayron 32 18:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May 18

Unknown gift card/debit card on my Amazon account

I just noticed that in my Amazon account I have a gift card that I don't recognize. I must have gotten it as some point but I don't remember it. Based on the Amazon Wallet Cards & Accounts webpage, here's all the information I know:

Debit Card
Name on card is "Gift Card Recipient"
Visa
Last 4 digits of the account number (which I won't list here for security reasons)
Expiration date

Is there anyway to track down what card this is based on the above information?

I already tried my credit report but this account is not listed (probably because the account holder is "Gift Card Recipient"). Since it's a gift card, it may have a positive balance but I'm afraid to use it because I don't know how much is on the card. If I accidentally spend too much and the balance went negative, I have no idea how to pay it. So anyway, this is my question: Is there anyway to track down what card this is based on the above information? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 18:37, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you try contacting Amazon? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:46, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I tried to contact them, but their website is designed to avoid giving you a number to call. But I Googled it, found a number and called them. I got the information I needed. Thanks for your help. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 21:24, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Was the gift card legit? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May 19

A subpage under my user page is under speedy deletion.

One of my user subpages is being marked for deletion, and it took a lot of work to write it. There is personally no rule violation on there as well. Sorry, I read on Wikipedia very frequently, but seldomly edit. I created a page a few months ago with sources (and that was my only yet) and that got removed due to reliable source of publicity rules. Need help here.

User talk:Trakaplex - Wikipedia Trakaplex (talk) 03:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Trakaplex: The CSD notice will give you instructions on how to contest the deletion. RudolfRed (talk) 04:46, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Trakaplex:: It looks like it's already been deleted. But you should be able save the content by contacting the deleting admin who appears to be User talk:JBW. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 11:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The now-deleted page is a long, rambling narrative written in the first person (I, we, etc.) with absolutely no useful text that could possible be beneficial to the mission of Wikipedia. It certainly doesn't qualify for WP:REFUND or anything like that. JBW will not likely undelete it, and really no one should. --Jayron 32 12:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I saw it before it was deleted. Seems like it could have been kept as a subpage, like an essay. Though it seemed more appropriate to be kept on the OP's private computer. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:33, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well I kept a separate version on Google Docs, I guess that is fine. I explained my reason at User talk:Trakaplex/Project_Kelton why I had it on Wikipedia as a fixing of "trial and error". I presumed that editors would aid the improvement of the factual details. Trakaplex (talk) 13:51, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some might have been willing to if it had the potential to become a Wikipedia article (or essay), but from the descriptions above and the posts on your Talk page it doesn't sound as if that was the case. We're all volunteers and can choose what we do and don't want to do on Wikipedia, but we are broadly focussed on "building an encyclopaedia." You could use the Reference desks to ask specific factual questions that may relate to your piece, but for general collaboration on a non-encyclopaedic project (with which I wish you luck) you need to look elsewhere.

Have you been referred to WP:What Wikipedia is not? If you haven't, it might be useful to you to read it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 13:10, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May 20

Why don't the southeastern slivers of Alaska fall under Pacific Time?

I don't know if it's just the way the map is laid out, but the westernmost parts of British Columbia―which are represented by the Pacific Time Zone―seem to be offset farther west than a good portion of the Alaskan panhandle in this photo. I'm surprised cities like Juneau are considered to belong in UTC−09:00 instead of UTC−08:00. Hmm1994 (talk) 14:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the state of Alaska wanted to be in just one time zone. These things are decided by politicians. Note also that the International Date Line bends around the Aleutians, keeping Alaska in the same day; and also bends around the eastern end of Russia, with the same result. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would have thought it self-evident that time zones would follow state or province boundaries, but I see that North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas all have two time zones, [5] which must be very inconvenient. Alansplodge (talk) 22:38, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Each Australian state and territory sets its own time zone, which applies to the entire state. The only exception I know of is Broken Hill, which uses Central Australian Time rather than Eastern, because it's physically closer to the South Australian state capital, Adelaide, than to its own state capital, Sydney. Also, because this arrangement was put in place back when there was a direct rail link to Adelaide but not to Sydney. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 01:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alaska used to be in four time zones, from −8 (Pacific Time) in the southeast (i.e. the Panhandle) to −11 in the west. Some people wanted to have fewer time zones in the state and in 1983 they won out, with the −8 part moving one hour earlier to −9 (then called Yukon Time, now Alaska Time) and the −10 and −11 parts moving one hour later. Or maybe it was more complicated than that.

As for time-zone boundaries following state lines, it is more practical if they are in areas of low population density. In some cases state lines are in areas of high population density. --142.112.220.184 (talk) 04:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May 21

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 ::I would have thought it self-evident that time zones would follow state or province boundaries, but I see that North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas all have two time zones, [https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/US-timezone_map.htm] which must be very inconvenient. [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 22:38, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 ::: Each Australian state and territory sets its own time zone, which applies to the entire state. The only exception I know of is [[Broken Hill#Time zone|Broken Hill]], which uses Central Australian Time rather than Eastern, because it's physically closer to the South Australian state capital, Adelaide, than to its own state capital, Sydney. Also, because this arrangement was put in place back when there was a direct rail link to Adelaide but not to Sydney. --  [[User:JackofOz|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Jack of Oz</span>]] [[User talk:JackofOz#top|<span style="font-size:85%; font-family: Verdana;"><sup>[pleasantries]</sup></span>]] 01:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
+Alaska used to be in ''four'' time zones, from −8 (Pacific Time) in the southeast (i.e. the Panhandle) to −11 in the west.  Some people wanted to have fewer time zones in the state and in 1983 they won out, with the −8 part moving one hour earlier to −9 (then called Yukon Time, now Alaska Time) and the −10 and −11 parts moving one hour later.  Or maybe it was more complicated than that.
+As for time-zone boundaries following state lines, it is more practical if they are in areas of low population density.  In some cases state lines are in areas of high population density. --[[Special:Contributions/142.112.220.184|142.112.220.184]] ([[User talk:142.112.220.184|talk]]) 04:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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