Talk:List of Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign primary endorsements

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I have left a message at @Christhegeek517's talk page, but I'll leave it here as well. There are a number of names here that fail verification due to a citation error. It's a big mess, and one that does not align with Wikipedia's policies on information about living people. If it's not resolved shortly, I'm going to remove the unverified content. Thanks. Wracking ^💬 02:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

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Simon Ekpa

Some editors, pro or con this man I don't know, have been adding him to this list, recent addition removed by me [1]. My objection is that he is WP:UNDUE. There is no decent WP:RS that says his org, Biafra Republic Government In-Exile, has any significance, or him saying he's Prime Minister of it has any weight. For the interested, here's their website:[2].

Opinions, editors? Ping to @Leke23 and @Bbb23 if you wish to comment. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Dear Gråbergs, Ekpa’s organisation is definitely very significant which is the reason whoever that created this Wikipedia added him in the list. You can’t over someone who is as controversial as Ekpa with over 4million supporters in the United State. This is the reason he was probably added in the list. You may wish to research on Biafra population in the US. They are the Jews of Africa. I see you also edited his profile on Wikipedia. Is there any reason you are removing him from the list of those who endorsed Trump? The Ekpa guy is one of the first notable individual to boldly endorse Trump. I think it is not neutral to remove him from the list of those that endorsed Trump when he does endorse him and it was reported by some of their dailies. Leke23 (talk) 15:09, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

“You can’t overlook….” Leke23 (talk) 15:10, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Good, then we know your opinion. We'll see if there are others. That someone is controversial is in itself no reason to include, I told you my reason for removing above. How you concluded "one of the first notable individual to boldly endorse Trump" I don't know. Out of curiosity, what's your source for "4million supporters in the United State"? It better not be something he said. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

And now we're WP:EDITWARing on an article about American politics. Great. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:24, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

My point is that you don’t have the right to change the meaning and significance of a Government In Exile by citing that they are not a sovereign state yet. You should not remove him from the list of Prime Ministers for that single reason. Leke23 (talk) 19:34, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

His part of an org that calls itself the Biafra Republic Government in Exile, and they call him PM. That doesn't make him a PM, other countries calling him a PM does. And there are other Igbo nationalism orgs. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:58, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

He is recognised by over 70million of Biafra people are sitting at home when he ordered them to do. Thats is enough prove. You must not agree with that. His people recognise him as Prime Minister, i think it is time you@Gråbergs Gråa Sånggive up on this and be neutral. You need to understand government in exile. I have been researching on this guy including following his tweets. Stop witch hunting and allow him on this list. I remember you did the same thing on his Wikipedia page Simon Ekpa until I provided enough sources which made you put somethings in there perspectives. He has been refers to as self-style Prime minister, political activists, Prime Minister by Nigeria news media which are government controlled. The truth is that, he is the Prime Minister of the Biafra Republic Government In Exile. He shared the Ambassador of Peace Award on Twitter and he addressed as HE (His Excellency)https://twitter.com/realcnsuccess/status/1661818963443974145?s=46&t=LGUepKMy2zVmY0tBE7m3XQ

Note: Though twitter is not a source but i have digout the Ambassador for peace certificate where he is addressed by the UPF as HE. Do you address activist as HE? You may need to check UPF. Members are past leaders from Presidents to Prime Minister etc. you allow him stay on the list. He is Prime Minister of Government in exile Government in exile and you must respect that. He didn’t invent Exile government by himself, it has been in existence as part of struggle for freedom. Leke23 (talk) 04:56, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

And again, what's your source for "recognised by over 70million" besides his Twitter? The Unification Church wrote HE on the award they gave him, good for them. And it's signed by Sun Myung Moon (1920–2012), that's an interesting detail on a 2023 award (may be how the church signs their awards).

Per your WP-link, a G in E is a "political group that claims to be a country or semi-sovereign state's legitimate government," and that seems to fit well enough, but it doesn't matter much, does it? Anyone can claim anything on their website[3]. When then the UN or AU agrees, that means something. The question for this WP-article is if he is WP:DUE to include here. IMO, no, there's no WP:RS indication he's of any interest in American politics, so we'll have to hope for other editors to help form a WP:CONSENSUS.

For other editors, the debated versions is this one under Activists and public figures

• Simon Ekpa, lawyer, political activist and self-declared Prime Minister of the Biafra Republic Government In Exile

and this one under "International politicians"

• Simon Ekpa, Prime Minister Of The Biafra Republic Government In Exile.(2023-present) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

He should remain under international politicians.

If you want to understand the influence of this Ekpa do more research on him including on virtual reports. You don’t need to recognise the Prime Ministership to validate a Prime Minister of an Exile Government like Biafra Republic government In Exile. He is also a very active politician in Finland since 2012. It is becoming very suspicious of you constant attack on him by deleting him from International politicians and adding him to activists, claiming his was described on one of the articles as an activist, but the same article and many more described him as Prime Minister of Biafra Republic government In exile. Your action is questionable and your neutrality is questionable. Leke23 (talk) 07:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

And you are a WP:SPA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:46, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

A neutral contributor like you@Gråbergs Gråa Sång supposedly are Leke23 (talk) 07:50, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:50, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

? Leave him on that list, he is recognised by his people as a Prime Minister of Exile Government. Do you have personal problem with that? Leke23 (talk) 07:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Per my comments above, I have a problem with that. We'll see if other editors have opinions. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:01, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

If you have problems with Prime of Exile government, you shouldn’t be an editor on Wikipedia. You are biased. Your above comment has vindicated me, which is the reason i will continue add him. You are biased and have admitted you have problem with exile government. Leke23 (talk) 08:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I said I have a problem with him being on this list. Which you can see in my comments above. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

That is your personal problem. Do not bring personal opinion or personal problem as basis to edit or contribute to articles on Wikipedia, it makes your neutrality questionable. If you have problem with Exile government, it is your personal problem, it doesn’t dispute the fact that he is a Prime Minister of an Exile government. Leke23 (talk) 08:27, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

While you are waiting for other editors opinion, leave him in the list of International Politicians and Prime Minister of Biafra Republic government In Exile, thats whom he is. Leke23 (talk) 08:09, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

The source of 70million is from the population of Biafrans in the South East and South South of Nigeria who obeys his ordered. Also population Biafrans globally who obeys and respect him as their Prime Minister. In the United State alone, it is said that Biafrans are over 4million people. https://www.ess.fi/paikalliset/5793601 the link here also reported that over 20million Biafrans boycotted the general election in South East and South South of Nigeria out of 24million registered voters on the order of Ekpa Leke23 (talk) 08:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Sadly the ess.fi is WP:PAYWALLED to me, so I can't see if it confirms anything you say. I can see the headline and that it says he's a Nigerian Biafra rebel living in Lahti. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:11, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Can you do research on your own about this Ekpa, which you have problem being on the list than just ignorantly removing him from the list because you have problem with him being on the list? Leke23 (talk) 08:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Kennet.mattfolk, perhaps you can read it? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Here is another article and stop being biased https://en.nettitrendi.fi/news/miljoonat-nigerialaiset-pysyvat-kotona-joka-maanantai-kun-simon-ekpa-lahdesta-kaskee-enugussa-pelko-kouriintuntuvaa Leke23 (talk) 08:34, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

That links to [4], which seems to be a WP:RS. It says, in part (quotes by google translate)

• "Simon Ekpa says that he leads the IPOB organization that is pushing for the independence of the Biafra region."
• "Ekpa says most of the more than 20 million people in southeastern Nigeria obey his orders."
• "Simon Ekpa is right about his influence: downtown Enugu, with a population of 800,000, is almost deserted. Shops, banks, markets, roadside shops, stalls and schools are closed, only individual cars and people pass on the street. Enugu people obey when Simon Ekpa tells them to stay at home."
• "If you criticize Simon Ekpa and his orders, you are in danger, said the men sitting under the almond tree on the side of the street as if with one voice."

So it seems clear he has some influence. That is not the same as "Also population Biafrans globally who obeys and respect him as their Prime Minister." However, based on this, it seems reasonable to include him on the list. IMO the "Activists and public figures" is a better place for it than "International politicians". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I can, I think I may myself have used it as a source or it has been used. In a nutshell, Yle (Finlands BBC, SVT, DW etc.) went to Nigeria and interviewed people. They looked at the effects on towns due to Ekpa's sit at home command. In the article Ekpa isn't described as an lawyer as in English media, but an businessman. The article also gets comments from Ekpa himself. Where Ekpa says he is the leader of IPOB and he claims most people in Biafra heeds his commands, not because people are forced to, but because people in Biafra wants to out of their free will.

However, when Yle sends a reporter to the city of Enugu, they “find another truth”. They interview people. First is the local guide of the Yle team, who tells the team as he/she is guiding them that he cannot be seen guiding them, due to Ekpa’s command, due to fear for reprisal. They then find a few shopkeepers/market sellers that are defying the curfiew. They tell Yle that in the previous december, a shop keeper, Joy Ikwe was killed by masked gunmen, when defying a curfew.

There is then a few videos of Ekpa and presumably IPOB, where the sit-at-home order is issued and in one it is accompanied with a threat of death if defied.

Yle subsequently the relatives of Joy Ikwe, they say tell that people have to eat and cannot leave one workday undone without risking going without food. This was why Joy Ikwe defied the order the previous december and at the time, there where also other’s in Enugu defying the curfew. The killers of Joy Ikwe have not been put in-front of a court. Yle states that this is common, that Police, the army, armed groups and criminal groups all commit human right crimes. Now fear gets people to stay home and heed the curfew when Ekpa commands them. According to Yle 287 people have been killed in the region. Many in Enugu where afraid to give interviews, afraid of reprisals by Ekpa.

They then interview Tony Okeke, who was 13 when the Biafran war erupted and that he participated in the war. Okeke is now a business owner in Enugu. In short, he describes a climate of fear, where you cannot always even trust your friends with critical opinions of Ekpa. He criticizes the economic impact of these curfews and that Ekpa is damaging his own goals of an independent Biafra. He decries Ekpas disrespect for Biafras war veterans who fought for independence.

While Nnamdi Kanun, jailed IPOB leader, disowns Ekpa, saying he has nothing to do with IPOB. Yle spoke thourgh middlemen, such as Emma Powerful who is the speaker of Ipob.

The article then goes on to discuss the effect Ekpa is having on the Nigerian elections in February 2023. Where many said they would defy any boycott to vote.

Finally, it rehashes in short, an older story where Nigeria had contacted Finland and demanded Finland take action to stop Ekpa from disrupting the upcoming elections.

I didn’t translate everything, but this is the gist of the Yle article.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20018619?origin=rss Kennet.mattfolk (talk) 09:30, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Redlinks

I see a lot of redlinked people. Should this listicle stick to people with WP-articles? It's fairly common. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:10, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Per the current lead, it is a list of "notable" endorsing people/bodies, so ideally yes. The ideal however means that all the notable endorsers have articles, the red links appear to be for state politicians so they may be notable. CMD (talk) 13:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

The only redlinks are for state elected officeholders, those are inherently notable positions and we should have articles on them, so I'm good with those. --Golbez (talk) 13:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Primary refs

I see a bunch of primary refs, like tweets (which nowadays of course are unconfirmed). Should the listicle be limited to secondary sourced endorsements? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:28, 14 June 2023 (UTC)