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Schools in List of tourist attractions in the Philippines

List of tourist attractions in the Philippines contains a section "Schools, colleges and universities". I don't know which are tourist attractions there; many are labeled as "Historical Sites" but this doesn't automatically mean these are tourist attractions or visited by tourists. Should we delete that entire section? Sanglahi86 (talk) 09:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree that it is not appropriate to be included there. Most of them are not even freely accessible by the public making no sense why it is considered as a tourist attraction even though some are considered as a “Historical site”. JETH888 (message) 18:45, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Unless they are verified as tourist spots, I think they should be removed. --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I removed the section. Sanglahi86 (talk) 07:51, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, historical sites aren't automatically tourist sites. I doubt that Camp Crame for example allows tourists with no official business with the PNP in. Not sure if they have a museum, which is accessible to the public, inside the premise though. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 08:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Need help for Mario Dumaual

Hello! I just created an article for the recently-deceased Mario Dumaual (the ABS-CBN showbiz writer). I'm still working on it, but please feel free to add more information that I may have missed. Thanks! --- Tito Pao (talk) 12:17, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Update List of power plants in the Philippines

This list has been incomplete and outdated for some time. I found a source online that has the data, but is really tedious to do. It would be much appreciated if anyone can help out. Thanks! JETH888 (message) 14:54, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

@Jeth888: I'd be willing to help out. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 00:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

When to use Filipino or Tagalog, again

Maybe this is a perennial question, but when should we use Filipino or Tagalog? Just stumbled upon Filipino at a place like storey, where I'm inclined toward linking to Tagalog instead if we consider Filipino and Tagalog the same thing setting aside political designations. Maybe this should be formalized in MOS:PHIL. TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 08:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand more than a few words in any Philippine language but I think that in articles not focused on the Philippines )i.e., the one exampled) this should be considered from a perspective outside of the Philippines -- a more neutral POV. The "we" whose POV is being catered to should not be just Filipinos, but should be WP's target users. The section at issue in the exampled article focuses on the Philippines. IMO, in such situations, the name of the designated national language should be used unless there is some overriding factors such as timeline considerations or the impact of disputes which need clarification. When such overriding factors are present -- specifically in the case of the Philippines -- this should not be presented considering only two alternative languages or language designations if more than two alternative languages see significant usage in the country (i.e., the designated regional languages or the very numerous other languages spoken in the Philippines). That's how it seems to me, anyhow. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC).

I look at it like this:

• If it has an air of "officiality" to it (so the name of a piece of infrastructure, for example), use "Filipino".
• If we talk about the language people speak, this was how I treated this subject in Languages spoken by presidents of the Philippines: the term "Filipino" appears only for Corazon Aquino and beyond, since that's when Filipino became a thing. For all presidents before her, I used "Tagalog".
• There may be cases where "Tagalog/Filipino" might be appropriate. The Philippines section in the storey article seems like one of those cases but it may be a bit clunky.

Unfortunately, there's no hard-and-fast rule for where "Tagalog" ends and where "Filipino" begins, but if we need at least one boundary we could at least use "Filipino" for anything involving government and anything that has an air of officiality as I said earlier. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 12:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Barangay notability redux

Head's up! There's an ongoing discussion on WP:GEOLAND to remove or restrict the presumed notability of legally-recognized populated places/settlements. This could potentially solve our perennial problem that barangays are presumed notable leading to almost permanent stub articles on barangays. Discussion: Wikipedia talk:Notability (geographic features)#Deriving a wording proposal. —seav (talk) 09:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

The recent When does a place become legal and allowed an article? discussion on that same talk page appears also relevant. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:49, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Barangays aren't "administrative units" but are full fledged political units (probably legally recognized, and perhaps even more so than that) with elected executives and assemblies. Now, if such places in the Philippines automatically do have Wikipedia articles is a very complicated question indeed. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

List of proposed cities in the Philippines

This concern was first addressed on JWilz12345's talk page earlier this day.

Since his IP address has been blocked, I decided to raise his concern here (I hope he doesn't mind). Quoting JWilz12345's now deleted message: [I]s the list article List of proposed cities in the Philippines merit inclusion on Wikipedia? It is the very first list article on "proposed cities" on English Wikipedia, and almost all of sources used are primary sources (House Bills' pdf from House of Representatives of the Philippines). Per WP:PRIMARY, reliable secondary sources should be used in most cases. HueMan1 (talk) 12:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I was thinking of somehow replacing this with a list of all local plebiscites instead (maybe an expanded version of Hariboneagle927's Draft:List of cityhood plebiscites in the Philippines that includes all types of local plebiscites, such as renaming and HUC conversion plebiscites). HueMan1 (talk) 12:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

That list misses out the biggest plebiscite of all, the Novaliches cityhood plebiscite. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:57, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

How to call commissioners of constitutional commissions

So I was creating Category:Chairpersons of the Commission on Audit (Philippines), then there's this Category:Commissioners of constitutional commissions of the Philippines, and I figured, why not a category of commissioners for each commission?

Until I realize that "Commissioner of the Commission on Elections" sounds awkward. However, category names are pluralized, so "Commissioners of the Commission on Elections" doesn't sound that awkward. Of course common parlance refers to these people as "COMELEC commissioners" (COA and CSC are much less mainstream than the COMELEC, so the terms "COA commissioner" and "CSC commissioner" may not be as popular); how should these commissioner categories be named? Ultimately, if we're saying "COMELEC commissioner", we might as well WP:RM Commission on Elections (Philippines) to COMELEC. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Hmm...probably "Commissioner of the Commission of ___"? To keep it consistent with the naming for the categories of the chairpersons. I'm partial towards the complete name instead of the acronym because I'm assuming that outside the Philippines, other readers won't know what COMELEC, CSC or COA stands for. (The necessary disclaimer: my grandfather is a former Commissioner of a constitutional commission.) --- Tito Pao (talk) 06:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Hmmm... off the top of my head, "Commissioner of Elections." I haven't looked into pros vs. cons of this at all, though. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:04, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm looking at Supreme Court cases and the common way the commissioners themselves are addressed are "Commissioner of (position)", as evidenced in court cases involving the COA, the COMELEC, the CSC, the BI, the BOC and the BIR. That said, for the purpose of creating Wikipedia categories I would be fine with using "Commissioners of the (name of commission)" as the standard naming convention. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 21:05, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

As a former National Government Agency employee, I have to say "[a/the ]Commissioner of the (name of commission)" is not actually that uncommon. "(Name of commission) commissioner" is common largely because of media coverage, where there's a premium on space. (Although of course the most common usage is "Commissioner NAME of the (name of commission)." - Batongmalake (talk) 04:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Request section

On the main project page, the tab for requests for Philippine-related articles, media, or templates currently displays "Requested articles." This label might suggest that the tab is exclusively for article requests, while in reality, it covers all the previously mentioned types of requests. Is there a specific reasoning for that or can we change it to be more suited for its page?

Regarding the media request section, it could be beneficial to find a way to incorporate other requests for the same Philippine-related articles, such as those that are in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in the Philippines or Category:Wikipedia requested maps in the Philippines, to ensure they are also appropriately addressed. JETH888 (message) 19:36, 18 July 2023 (UTC)