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:{{ping|Franlm14}} I added those certified sales because it is column used throughout the list, but my addition was based in the verified sales (over a million copies in Spain), according to the ''Anuario'' from ''El País'', which I understand is a reliable source and that they provided certifications/sales figures from AFYVE (now Promusicae), like ''El Mundo'' did in early 2000s. Perhaps an additional or clarifying note could be used if raise concerns. Not the big deal if is entirely deleted. --[[User:Apoxyomenus|Apoxyomenus]] ([[User talk:Apoxyomenus#top|talk]]) 19:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
:{{ping|Franlm14}} I added those certified sales because it is column used throughout the list, but my addition was based in the verified sales (over a million copies in Spain), according to the ''Anuario'' from ''El País'', which I understand is a reliable source and that they provided certifications/sales figures from AFYVE (now Promusicae), like ''El Mundo'' did in early 2000s. Perhaps an additional or clarifying note could be used if raise concerns. Not the big deal if is entirely deleted. --[[User:Apoxyomenus|Apoxyomenus]] ([[User talk:Apoxyomenus#top|talk]]) 19:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Oasis have reached the threshold of 75 millon record sales wordwide. == |
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Hello there. i believe Oasis have reached the 75million sales mark and that they should be added to the list of the biggest selling artists of all time. Can you have a look at this please ?. Regards [[Special:Contributions/92.251.150.169|92.251.150.169]] ([[User talk:92.251.150.169|talk]]) 10:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
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All I Want For Christmas Proposed Edit (See Discussion Page)
Hello, I have outlined the rationale for a proposed edit to the All I Want For Christmas Is You page and the List of Best Selling Singles, changing the reported figure of 16 million copies sold to 22 million copies sold to accurately reflect the total number of certifications. There is a strong indication that the 16 million figure has been inaccurate for some time and that the sources reporting it are merely repeating this figure due to a lack of substantive update. The argument that 'certifications' do not equal copies sold also does not have any qualitative basis, given that these 'certifications' are independently verified and audited by recording registries in each country. Whilst some of these sales are digital and streaming equivalent sales, the vast majority are physical sales and I would therefore propose that the 22 million figure be subject to the disclaimer that it reflects a combination of both physical and digital/streaming-equivalent sales. Cucas1234 (talk) 00:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Cucas1234: I appreciate the fact you explain your POV. But you're simply missing a pivotal step: add a reliable source to have backed that figure (WP:BURDEN) with such important move you're doing. If this "popular song" (viral every Christmas since at least a couple of years ago) really has updated worldwide sales while receiving a notable marketing/response (even from Mariah herself since September/October yearly), then, is media's turn to post it. I personally oppose to reflect the combination of both physical/digital/streaming-equivalent sales. Aren't our businesses and is unnatural and misleading provide in a prose/lead the total certified units. It sounds more a circular reporting. For good or bad, streaming generated certs have complicated things. Some de facto reliable measurement firms have provided a general picture, including Luminate/Nielsen in the USA, or OCC in the UK, and it seems sales are not even the half compared to the amount certified from both country's organizations, eg. Regards, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 03:57, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
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- Erick Thank u very much! Cheers --Apoxyomenus (talk) 18:21, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
J Balvin sales
Loco Contigo (a total of 2.5 million singles sold in 12 countries) Con Altura (3.09 million singles sold in 10 countries) Say My Name (2.3 million copies sold in 12 countries) Ritmo (3.6 million copies sold) X (4.1 million copies sold in 14 countries) Mi Gente & Mi Gente remix ( over 20 million copies sold in 16 countries) Downtown ( 6.6 million copies sold worldwide) Que Mas Pues ( 4.1 million copies sold in 18 countries) I like it ( 11 million in America and 20 million copies worldwide in total) sold). Even the simplest songs by J Balvin sell 1 million or half a million copies (with US Latin sales) on the Riaa site. He has sold over 100 million singles and albums in his entire career. Jigglyyy (talk) 03:57, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Jigglyyy Hi the problem those are heavily influenced by streaming generated equivalent-units, and aren't the same that copies sold. And most important, you need to prove it (WP:BURDEN) with a reliable source saying he has sold 100 million records, and is not the case. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 18:50, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Do you think an artist with the "best selling Latin artist" label achieved this title by selling 35 million records? See sales and listings from artists like Cardi B, David Guetta and Beyonce. They 3 songs in collaboration with J Balvin have sold over 40 million copies worldwide. If you want a source, you can check the RIAA and Universal music sites. I am someone who manages Chart account and I always check streams, sales, official listings. With just a simple calculation, I can prove that a few songs have sold 70 million in "official" sales. Go to the Wikipedia page of J Balvin songs and calculate the sales yourself. you will see this. Many of the sales are not updated on the Official Riaa sales site and Wikipedia pages, the initial sales amounts. The RIAA's recent UPDATE (also Universal music) shows that number has exceeded 100 million. Jigglyyy (talk) 11:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Jigglyyy I was the one who search for his worldwide sales before his page have one. And yes, 35+ million record is a generous figure for a Latin artist. Not inflated comparing to the 100M number you have claimed, cuz those are streaming generated certifications. Not even Shakira is attributed with that figure, or is not used here in Wikipedia. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 15:37, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- 100 million is not an inflated figure, but a number from certificates already obtained. at the same time, 35 million sales was a number that was put forward about 3 years ago by a magazine with J Balvin on the cover. In other words, this number has already reached 40-50 million. In any case, for a hit-maker and record producer like J Balvin, 35 million isn't a generous figure, considering the title he's earned. there are too many missing. J Balvin, for example, was the first Latin artist to receive a diamond certification for his digital sales. If "PURE" singles sales are 40-50 million, their digital sales are already over 100 million. Anyone with a brain can think of it. When we look at the sources we have, the number 35 published by a magazine 3 years ago seems like a joke. Jigglyyy (talk) 10:32, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- Jigglyyy I was the one who search for his worldwide sales before his page have one. And yes, 35+ million record is a generous figure for a Latin artist. Not inflated comparing to the 100M number you have claimed, cuz those are streaming generated certifications. Not even Shakira is attributed with that figure, or is not used here in Wikipedia. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 15:37, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Do you think an artist with the "best selling Latin artist" label achieved this title by selling 35 million records? See sales and listings from artists like Cardi B, David Guetta and Beyonce. They 3 songs in collaboration with J Balvin have sold over 40 million copies worldwide. If you want a source, you can check the RIAA and Universal music sites. I am someone who manages Chart account and I always check streams, sales, official listings. With just a simple calculation, I can prove that a few songs have sold 70 million in "official" sales. Go to the Wikipedia page of J Balvin songs and calculate the sales yourself. you will see this. Many of the sales are not updated on the Official Riaa sales site and Wikipedia pages, the initial sales amounts. The RIAA's recent UPDATE (also Universal music) shows that number has exceeded 100 million. Jigglyyy (talk) 11:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Jigglyyy Hi the problem those are heavily influenced by streaming generated equivalent-units, and aren't the same that copies sold. And most important, you need to prove it (WP:BURDEN) with a reliable source saying he has sold 100 million records, and is not the case. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 18:50, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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I didn't want to engage myself in a edit war that's why i am leaving you the message, i want to discuss this topic first cause you can't revert anything in WP without coming to a conclusion with the other collaborator but you have violated WP rules, my edit in the Honorific Nicknames In Popular Music was backed up by reliable sources and was nothing other than that a true and accurate information, she has that title just like every other artist in the page have their own welll-known titles, your revertion was unneccesary and a violation to WP:rules, would you please explain your reasons and motives to revert it? And i hope they're accurate and good enough and backed up with confirmed information and well researched arguments. Lightlylove (talk) 05:41, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Lightlylove when I reverted something?. The only thing I did recently there was moving a misplaced mononymous artist from B to J. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 15:43, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Oh i'm so sorry for this, i thought you were the user who reverted my contribution, i'm very sorry and i promise i will keep a better eye from now on, i hope you can excuse me for this situation. Lightlylove (talk) 00:24, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Lightlylove Not a problem. Good editing. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 15:37, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Oh i'm so sorry for this, i thought you were the user who reverted my contribution, i'm very sorry and i promise i will keep a better eye from now on, i hope you can excuse me for this situation. Lightlylove (talk) 00:24, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
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Spanish certs for Classical albums
I read in differents sites that for a Platinum album was 25,000 copies, until September 1999. Here on bottom. The album Tutto Pavarotti was certified 12x Platinum, those numbers are impossible with the standard certification. Franlm14 (talk) 18:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Franlm14: I added those certified sales because it is column used throughout the list, but my addition was based in the verified sales (over a million copies in Spain), according to the Anuario from El País, which I understand is a reliable source and that they provided certifications/sales figures from AFYVE (now Promusicae), like El Mundo did in early 2000s. Perhaps an additional or clarifying note could be used if raise concerns. Not the big deal if is entirely deleted. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 19:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Oasis have reached the threshold of 75 millon record sales wordwide.
Hello there. i believe Oasis have reached the 75million sales mark and that they should be added to the list of the biggest selling artists of all time. Can you have a look at this please ?. Regards 92.251.150.169 (talk) 10:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC)