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Quick counts

Are the quick counts necessary to be shown here? Philippine general election, 2007 --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 09:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Only the NAMFREL ones were included at the previous elections, although I'd recommend other quick counts for the early days, when we get official results we can discard them except NAMFREL. --Howard the Duck 13:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

So let's nominate those other templates for deletion then? --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 15:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Who created those anyway? It won't be needed anyway in the long run. --Howard the Duck 16:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Other than the NAMFREL quick count tally, no, no and a big, big NO. In the articles about US elections, do you see any of those exit polls by CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and Fox TV? In the recently-concluded French elections, do you see other similar unofficial counts other than from the government? --- Tito Pao 01:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well those elections get to have their victors announced within a week; ours are within a month. --Howard the Duck 02:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Let's just remove all other quick counts other than NAMFREL, it's the official citizen's arm sanctioned by COMELEC. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 06:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm in favor but not now. Maybe after a week we can remove ABS-CBN's, PPCRV's and GMA's quick counts, but for the time being when there are no numbers released yet it'll give an idea where we're at. --Howard the Duck 06:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Rizalninoynapoleon added an announcement on the Tambayan's main page that says "Philippine Senator Richard Gordon has asked Tambayan prevent deletion of the media quick counts which must tackled immediately". Is this true? I tried looking this up at news websites but I was unable to find this. --- Tito Pao 06:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm reverting it unless he can provide a source. TheCoffee 07:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Excerpt from the email he sent to me is with Titopao which is the valuable information therefore we will end proposals to delete the media quick counts Rizalninoynapoleon 16:07, 15 May 2007

For everone's benefit, I'll reprint the quoted email here:

Mr. Lopez i have noticed the 2007 elections page of WIKIPEDIA 
of the regards to the quick counts, i am asking if you can tell 
your group known as the TAMBAYAN PHILIPPINES to tell its members 
to stop their proposals of deletion since it is against the 
Amending Modernization Act and against the right to information.
I hope so action this as soon as possible. Sincerely yours: Sen.
Richard Gordon

Personally, if you ask me, since the Wikimedia office and the Wikimedia servers are located in the US, and since we are bound by the TOS of WP and its policies and guidelines, we must first decide on a consensus. If the entire Tambayan community has a consensus to not include the quick count results, then we have to disagree with Sen. Gordon and have the quick count results deleted from the article since Wikipedia is technically covered by US laws (by the laws of the State of Florida, if you want to be very specific). (Unless Sen. Gordon makes a call to Wikimedia Foundation office and the WMF office takes office action, that is.) Or, as a compromise, we can have links to each quick count's website since this information tends to change by the minute (or at least by the hour). But if the community decides on including the quick count results, then I have no objections. --- Tito Pao 08:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

ADDENDA I took a look at the text of the Amendment to the Election Modernizations Act and I was unable to find the exact information that Sen. Gordon is referring to. Any references to the word "Website" refers to the COMELEC's website and not to other websites such as Wikipedia, and all other references refer to local publications. Or maybe I was also misreading everything? For additional resources, I also tried to look up at a list of election offenses, as summarized by a lawyer-blogger in one of his so-called "blog lectures" (this isn't allowed under WP:A, but it gives us a good summary of current election violations). I have also posted a related question for opinions by disinterested parties. Thanks. --- Tito Pao 08:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Neverthless, there should stay up to the point when they do not update their figures. If they start using NAMFREL's numbers then that's the time they should be taken down. The quick counts can be seen on other websites and the page history anyway. --Howard the Duck 10:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Tambayan i am asking you let the quick counts to stay for they are valuable information though partial and unofficial besides TEAM Unity deputy spokesperson Tonypet Albano is criticizing the media quick counts who knows if there will be electoral fraud this can be used as evidences, so think over -- Rizalninoynapoleon 15:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I for one doubt that we have to oblige with that resolution. We go by WP rules and US laws, and user consensus. I swing towards removing all counts except the official (comelec) and the namfrel unofficial quick count (the only accredited citizen's arm). But in the meantime we can use the media quick counts until Namfrel comes up with a more definitive quick count. Berserkerz Crit 11:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

We go by consensus. So regardless of what Sen. Gordon has told you (or, for that matter, I don't care if it was PGMA herself), we'll stick with the consensus: only the COMELEC and the NAMFREL count should survive. Per my suggestion, we may only link to the other quick counts. --- Tito Pao 11:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't conduct its own count anyway so if the media outlets stop issuing updates to their counts, there's nothing to report so it'll be removed in the long run. --Howard the Duck 13:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

With regard to this supposed email from Senator Gordon, i don't think Philippine jurisprudence covers wikipedia, since the server is not in the Philippines. It's like forcing me to pose the results of all the media quick counts in my personal website, if I posted the NAMFREL quick count results. One unofficial quick count would suffice, so as not to confuse non-Filipinos. Perhaps we can just have under the See also section a link to the media quick count websites. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 14:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Not to demean Senator Gordon but I find it laughable that he thinks Philppine law is enforceable here in Wikipedia. Although I do commend him for even knowing Wikipedia. Berserkerz Crit 15:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

There appears to be a lot of misunderstanding about law. While I have no idea about the specific law in this case nor am I an expert on law, I'm pretty sure any countries' laws can cover whatever it wants to. For example, court decisions in Australia (and I believe several European countries) have held that people can be held responsible in Australian courts for libeling an Australian via the internet even if they themselves don't live in Australia (see Slander and libel). This is an area of law with a great deal uncertainty (you might want to look at decisions regarding swastikas and the like in European countries too). Anyway, my point is it's possible that the law will apply to wikipedia. As the wikipedia servers are located in Florida and so is the foundation, enforcing them may be difficult. But for example, a court could order the servers be blocked in the Phillipines. And if any of the wikimedia foundation members were to ever visit the Phillipines perhaps they could be arrested. Any assets the foundation may have in the Phillipines could be seized. I'm not saying any of this is likely to happen (I don't think it is) or that we should obey what the Senator alleged said. I think we should just make a decision as we normally would and not let the e-mail influence us either way. I'm simply pointing out that the idea that the law doesn't apply to wikipedia because the servers are located in Florida is flawed. Someone who actually knows the law could perhaps better explain whether it's likely or not but in absence of that it's silly to say it surely doesn't because it may. BTW, is there any reason to assume this e-mail is genuiene? It seems awfully informal and sloppily written for a request from a Senator... Nil Einne 17:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Rizalninoynapoleon makes things up anyway (see Template talk:Philippine elections), and in the long run, when nobody cares anymore, the quick counts will be taken down, even by GMA and ABS-CBN. NAMFREL does keep a record of their counts though. And I think even ABS ended their media count already and instead would be relying on NAMFREL's, and eventually, COMELEC's numbers; GMA would sure to follow suit by tomorrow. --Howard the Duck 18:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Point taken, I'm currently writing an email to Sen. Gordon (the email address can be found here) to settle the matter. But honestly speaking, I was also thinking along those lines since I can't verify anything related to WP on the Election Modernization Act. And I'm still for sticking to consensus, in spite of anything. --- Tito Pao 22:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

(resetting indent) As if this wasn't enough: apparently, the COMELEC requested TV networks to stop conducting "unauthorized" quick counts. (This is just an initial report, but I'm sure a more definitive report will follow.) Nevertheless, this is what I and other editors have been saying all along: these unofficial (and "unauthorized") quick counts are unencyclopedic and do not deserve space on WP. If the COMELEC itself disputes these quick count's authority or validity, then so must we. In the meantime, I haven't received a reply from Sen. Gordon's email address, but as soon as I got a response, I'll let you know. --- Tito Pao

Slightly OT - Hmm...'unencyclopedic'. That's the perfect word that applies to these unofficial and unsanctioned counts that certain media outlets have been conducting. Sigh. If only the electorate were familiar with Wikijargon. Shrumster 05:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

There are suggestions at Talk:Philippine general election, 2007 to rip off an article containing both the GMA and ABS-CBN counts. Let your voice be heard there. --Howard the Duck 05:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Update on the alleged email from Sen. Gordon

Just want to let everyone know about this...after all the brouhaha over this email that was supposedly sent by Sen. Richard Gordon, Rizalninoynapoleon has recognized that the email is a fake. However, the response he gave me was very vague...did someone inform him? did he receive another email? did he contact Sen. Gordon? (And, as other fellow Wikipedians might have put it, did he even make up this one?)

Regardless of whatever anyone wants to say about this, this latest development leaves some questions lingering in my mind:

1. First, by recanting something that others view as his fabrication, what is he trying to prove? That he could come up with something to prove his point and flout consensus?
2. Second, since he himself acknowledged that the email is a fake, was he aware of the possible legal consequences of his actions, especially that this involved the name of a public official, let alone a nationally-elected public official? Or was he even thinking carefully before he acted?
3. Third, did he even take steps to verify his sources? Right from the start, there were doubts about the email, in both form (i.e. the sloppily-written language) and substance (the email made Sen. Gordon look like he didn't know what he was talking about, or that he didn't even bother to consult his legal researchers). Having now said that he "found out" that the email was a fake, he should at least given Sen. Gordon's office a call---hell, even a Grade One student can Google the phone number and email address of senators and congressmen. At least, as far as I can remember, Ate P took steps to contact Cong. (soon-to-be) Sen. Chiz Escudero's staff, who provided additional published references.

Rizalninoynapoleon want me to "end" this issue "as soon as possible." Sorry, I can not just let this pass just like that. Sorry na lang ba? Because, after all, everyone is entitled to the truth. What you sow, you reap...now go and face the music --- Tito Pao 01:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

ADDITIONAL UPDATE. Senator Gordon's office has spoken. Please see this: http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o238/titopao/gordon.jpg (I've obscured some details to protect the privacy of my contact; however, Chris S., Ate P and Bolanon can confirm that I do have a GMail email address. Thanks --- Tito Pao 01:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Se I told you that guy makes up things. --Howard the Duck 01:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, we all know that...except that, this time, Sen. Gordon's staff now knows about this, too. (I hope his media handlers didn't.) That is a problem. And look what this guy did to us >=( --- Tito Pao 03:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Such behavior should not be tolerated. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 04:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I second that one. And his edits must be closely monitored for veracity. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 12:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi all, what action will Wikipedia take against that fake e-mail? Just curious since I know Louis Pawid and Dick G. personally. Thanks! Ivanhenares 15:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

None that I can think of for now, since there's nothing similar to a Penal Code here on WP (in the very literal sense). However, since this is just another incident of catching Rizalninoy's hand in the cookie jar (and it almost becomes a pattern), the consensus so far is that anything that he says or edits should be scrutinized and monitored closely (even if it's true), especially some of his edits compromise the more important policies on Wikipedia. --- Tito Pao 00:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Pinoy Wiki Roll-Call

Who: Wikipedia Contributors, Administrator(s), Readers
What: First Informal Meeting
Where: Kenny Rogers, SM Megamall Building A, Mandaluyong City, Metro Manila
When: May 20, 2007 1:00 PM
How (to participate):

1) Post responses on this forum

2) Yahoo Group: PhilWiki

--Exec8 09:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Coming

• Present! --seav 11:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
• Now (Present)! Berserkerz Crit 20:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
• Not withstanding any unforeseen circumstances, I will be present =) --- Tito Pao 01:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
• Not sure. If I get there after church and not be lost in the process. Kelangan me libreng bucket meal muffin ha! (joke) --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
• Present Ü --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 01:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
• Per his comment below, Kgargar will be coming. Please feel free to delete this line if this is not the case. Thanks! Please see below =) --- Tito Pao 03:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Count me in! --Kgargar 07:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
• Per his comment way, way up, Jojit_fb will make it. Please post all your confirmations on this section instead of elsewhere. Thanks. --- Tito Pao 08:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I didn't see this. Anyway, I will be there. --Jojit fb 12:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
• Present--Jondel 12:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
• Damn, buti na lang nakita ko 'to before Sunday. :P I'll try to make it. Shrumster 05:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Hopefully you can make it...it would be our first reunion in...dang, I can't remember! It must be almost eleven years? =P (For those who don't know...Shrumster was my classmate in grade school :) --- Tito Pao 05:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
• No Internet at the house (as in yes, I'm in Manila now) but yes, I'll go. Keep me in touch with my cell (available on my user page). Can someone print the Articles of Incorporation from Meta (and all the other stuff I need)? --Sky Harbor 07:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Not coming

• I will not be coming but I will help in whatever way I can. For those who believe in prayer, I'll pray for you :) --Bentong Isles 11:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
• But I will be there in spirit. ^_^ TheCoffee 03:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
• Sira kasi yung bangka ko, eh. ;-) --Chris S. 01:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
• Unable to attend - venue too far away from Bacolod City. =) To your success! -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 01:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
• May I know kung ano-ano ang mga agenda sa pagti-tipong ito? I won't be able to join you pero mas maganda siguro kung naka-post din ang ditalye para magkaroon din ng ideya ang ibang hindi makakadalo (pwede rin kaming makatulong, kahit pinansyal, joke). _{Fddfred talk} 09:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Most of it were already mentioned above. In particular, the meat of the conversation will be about the proposal to incorporate the Philippine chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation. --- Tito Pao 11:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
• Unable to attend currently on vacation in New York, but I really wish I could come... too bad... anyways maybe I could go if there's another one. -chris^_^ 13:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
• Sana ay maging matagumpay ang pagtitipon ninyo. (Mula sa Tagalog Wikipedia) --Mananaliksik 04:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
• Wish I could, but I'm currently hibernating. Buena suerte con vosotros! (oops this is a late post hahaha. Better late then never!) --Weekeejames 15:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Response from exec8

I hope this would push through this time. I am expecting 5 in attendance but if would go higher, the better. There are things to talk about and doing this at 1:00pm is good since some would go from Prayer Meetings and Masses while others have work to do the following day. I pose a challenge to you. The first one who shook my hand libre, my treat. --Exec8 09:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...okay, call ako jan. If you ask me to be there at 1pm, I can make it there earlier than anyone else (i.e. not later than 30 mins. before the time). Problem is, how do we know it's you? ;-) --- Tito Pao 11:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I think we should append to our "present" signatures what we will wear or look like or distinct recognizable feature. Berserkerz Crit 15:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll bring a paper with a wikipedia logo on it. --Exec8 21:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll wear a yellow shirt, blue jeans, a pair of sneakers and---take note of this---I have long hair =) If any one of you can't recognize me by that, then I don't know what ;-) --- Tito Pao 22:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey someone bring a camera and upload a pic or two for the rest of us. :P TheCoffee 23:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

We still have no response from Sky Harbor, his presence is important. --Exec8 05:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm going already (as long as nothing goes wrong and my dad lets me because I have to pack for Singapore the next day). --Sky Harbor 07:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment by Kgargar

Sana maging matagumpay itong First Informal Meeting ng Filipino wikipedians. See you people! Kgargar 00:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Just so that we'll have an accurate head count, could you please sign your name on the list above? Thanks! :) --- Tito Pao 01:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Some questions

• What will be our agenda there?

• How long would the meeting last?

• Should we contribute for a group meal or eat individually or eat before the meeting (I talked my family into coming due to the job fair and as a family outing so baka mauna na kami kumain)?

• Who will bring the camera (I don't have one)?

• Asan na muffin ko?

P.S.

for those who have no jobs yet (like me), there is a job fair at the megatrade hall 1. So bring your resume, para may kasama ako hehe.--Lenticel ^(talk) 07:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

AFAIK:

1. Matters pertaining to the establishment of the Wikimedia Foundation, Philippine Chapter (prolly the priority topic)
2. Copyright matters (re fair use)
3. Article Standards
4. Wikiproject Philippines (on the Tagalog Wikipedia and elsewhere)

Other topics can also be discussed when we're there, but for now these are the three items that always come up. --- Tito Pao 08:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Pinoy Wikimeetup - roundup

Since we have more than five Wikipedians who have indicated their interest in showing up tomorrow, I'd decided to make a round-up of the details for this meeting:

DETAILS

• WHO: Wikipedia Contributors, Administrator(s), Readers
• WHAT: First Informal Meeting
• WHERE: Kenny Rogers, Ground Floor, SM Megamall Building A, Mandaluyong City,Metro Manila. However, per, Exec8, if Kenny's is fully packed, we'll just meet up there and then look for another place, as this is an informal meeting.

Not a lot of people should be having coffee at that time, starbucks and seattle's best are just nearby. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 10:30, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

• WHEN: May 20, 2007 1:00 PM

COMING

1. Berserkerz Crit
2. Exec8
3. Kgargar
4. Jojit_fb
5. Jondel
6. Lenticel
7. Scorpion prinz (Would be coming around 1.30pm)
8. seav
9. Shrumster
10. Sky Harbor (Might be late, but hopefully not too late)
11. And yours truly, Tito Pao ;-)

NOT COMING

1. Bentong Isles
2. Chris S. - is abroad and, per his comments, his boat is broken :)
3. Fddfred
4. Kurt Guirnela - is in Bacolod
5. Mananaliksik
6. Pikdig / chris^_^ - in New York
7. TheCoffee ("but I will be there in spirit ^_^")

AGENDA

• Matters pertaining to the establishment of the Wikimedia Foundation, Philippine Chapter (prolly the priority topic)
• Copyright matters (re fair use)
• Article Standards
• Wikiproject Philippines (on the Tagalog Wikipedia and elsewhere)
• Other matters

I'll try to bring a print-out of the related posts/discussions related to these agenda. Please feel free to bring your own notes, as well as anything that you think can help us with our discussion.

(And per Lenticel, please feel free to bring your own resumes in case you want to come to the Inquirer Jobfair ;-)

If there's anything that I missed, or if you'd like to add your name to the list of people who will or will not attend, or if you want to add another possible agendum for the meet-up, please let me know...I'd like to include it in my notes.

Thanks and see you very, very soon! (",) --- Tito Pao 05:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok i'll bring a camera. Do we need to discuss 501 Pesos + VSOP?, if you know what I mean. --Exec8 11:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

*The* meet-up

'guys hindi ko kayo nakita. Naiinis na kasi yung nanay ko so kelangan kong maagang umalis. I stayed in Kenny Rogers until about 1:30 but I did not see any Wikipedian :(. Anyways, the jobfair was OK. I hope you had a great time. —Lenticel ^(talk) 07:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

That's okay, since we're still keen on convoking a second meet-up, after about a few months. We decided that the rest of the discussion should be continued online first so that everyone else who have expressed their interest to help establish Wikimedia Philippines. --- Tito Pao 08:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I would like to thank seav, Berserkerz Crit, Jojit_fb, Jondel, Tito Pao from attending the kenny rogers meeting and to Scorpion prinz and Sky Harbor from catching up in the starbucks meeting. The meeting was lengthy but its meaty. We are actually seated near the entrance of kenny rogers in Ground Floor, Mega Building A from 1 to 3pm and inside starbucks at around 3pm onwards. As expected we wore our designated shirt colors. There was a wikipedia logo in our dining table. --Exec8 12:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks also for the lunch, Exec8. By the way, here are some of the pictures in the meet-up. It’s nice meeting you all guys. I hope that we will be able to established Wikimedia Philippines. --Jojit fb 14:05, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Can someone reserve the org name for me? A person has to be at least 18 to register a name. You can register at the SEC website; just remember that we are classified as a foundation. --Sky Harbor 16:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

So sorry about missing the meeting. I uh...kinda woke up at 3pm. :P Shrumster 18:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the lunch, too! :-) --- Tito Pao 08:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Can someone add a caption on the image description page so I can tell who's who? Thanks. :D TheCoffee 03:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I did :) --- Tito Pao 08:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Isang matagumpay na pagbati sa lahat ng dumalo sa isang Makasaysayang Katuparan kahapon! Isa ito sa una at marami pang hakbang tungo sa inyong mabuti at malinis na adhikain para sa mga Pilipino sa buong mundo. Mabuhay Kayo! _{Fddfred talk} 04:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, masakit yung tyan ko, kaso, libreng Ribs, ice cream, etc! Miraculously I was healed! (at nagutom- foodtrip :D !! ) Thanks Exec8!--Jondel 11:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

More pictures. Thanks Exec8 for the lunch! :) --seav 00:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Please accept my apology for not making it there. I look forward to hearing the minutes. Kgargar 03:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Di ako photogenic. Hehehe. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 05:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone who attended. It was nice meeting you. More power to us and to the fruition of a Philippine chapter of Wikimedia. Berserkerz Crit 15:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Nice pics. Kakainggit! haha! Sige di bale, next time... Jondel, ikaw pala yun? Di ba taga Japan ka? :D --Weekeejames 15:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

'os ko! ang babata n'yo pa pala mga iho! one reason why i didn't join the meeting kase noong kapanahunan ko wala pang istarbaks at sumisikat pa lang noon si kenny rogers. Mabuhay kayong lahat! Fddfred 05:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Argh... just saw this... why did this have to happen at the height of my project crisis? :-P Took a look a the pics... did anyone else notice that there is no chick female person among us (or am I just not visiting WP:PINOY often enough)? This might make our articles prone to a macho systemic bias... hehe --Nino Gonzales 08:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on Alan Peter Cayetano

I noticed that the Inquirer ran a brief news report about this on their website. Just so that you may know, I have made a protection request for this article. Thanks! --- Tito Pao 06:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

That was fast...it's now protected (until 5/23)! =) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Titopao (talk • contribs) 06:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC).

Data on Philippine legislative districts

Anyone has a copy of the dataset used to produce the articles on Philippine legislative districts? --Bentong Isles 11:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Eddie Panlilio

COMELEC has just proclaimed that Fr. Eddie Panlilio (YEHEY! To end jueteng in Pampanga) as the new Governor of Pampanga. Howard, Scorpion and Others today is a day to end corruption and poverty and i ask that Among Ed should have a page he deserves it. Don't you second the motion rizalninoy 23:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a web discussion forum. --Howard the Duck 05:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Non sequitur. Whatever your misgivings about Rizalninoynapoleon, it does not invalidate his suggestion that Panlilio should have a Wikipedia article. (Remove all the opinionated cruft and you get a simple request.) I, for one, thinks that the priest is now notable enough to deserve a Wikipedia article. --seav 21:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Policy say we should avoid talk pages from becoming discussion forums (read the first sentence). As for a page, governors are notable, even big city mayors are. --Howard the Duck 08:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

If you believe Father Panlilio should have an article, then write it. Be bold! --Sky Harbor 08:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

You can get info from his website http://amonged.org/ Ivanhenares 15:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Made the article's skeleton. Would appreciate it if some important fields in the infobox are filled up. --Lenticel ^(talk) 03:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I've added some stuff, mostly paraphrased from the official(?) website. Please feel free to add more :) --- Tito Pao 04:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

"New" proposal for the Tagalog Wikinews

The Tagalog Wikinews proposal has been refiled since the old proposal was closed in a "supposed" reform of the system. You may support the new proposal here. By the way, I need more contributors! --Sky Harbor 01:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

(maaari po bang ihayag din ninyo ito sa Tagalog Wikipedia? salamat po). Can you please announce this also in Tagalog Wikipedia? Thank you.--Mananaliksik 13:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I will announce the new proposal, pero sana naman hindi sinarado yung orihinal. --Sky Harbor 14:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

WMPH by-laws

The initial by-laws of Wikimedia Philippines are now available! You can view them here. Be sure to add on stuff and comment! --Sky Harbor 02:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

New Philippines

Sorry, I couldn't help it. Texas was supposed to be the New Philippines. I know there are more appropriate places to mention this.--Jondel 06:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I think this would make a good article, provided we can get more sources and references for this. =) --- Tito Pao 08:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

A Palau traveler's guide, referred to the islands as Nueva Filipinas (includes Caroline Islands) too. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 11:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Very intersting. There are still other priorities as of now like translation of Bomburza. Then I 'll see if I can work on an article.--Jondel 06:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikimedia: Where do we go from here?

Now that we agreed to setup the organization, Where do we go from here? Let's discuss. You can also visit the Pinoy Wikimedia Talk. --Exec8 10:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I need help to for my new page List of political clans in Philippines

I just bought a new book called Rulemakers made by the PCIJ it contains a list of political clans who were legislators from 1898 - 2007. I need help in making my article by making tables. Please help Rizalninoynapoleon 04:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC) Rizalninoynapoleon

It's not new, I have mine for 2 years now. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 17:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not in favor of the article since it the list will never end. What about just a section about political dynasties in the Politics of the Philippines. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 07:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Parokya ni Edgar

The Parokya article needs cleaning. Also, the sub-articles have a lack of information. I realize this is not a top priority, but it would be appreciated if someone knowledgeable about the band would contribute in some way. I unfortunately don't know enough to help myself. -KingpinE7 21:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

He's done it again.

Just take a look at this article. I couldn't find the original, though, but it does read like it was another copy-paste operation like what he did to the Tessie Aquino-Oreta and the Prospero Pichay articles. If someone can help me pinpoint the original article, I"d really appreciate it. Thanks! --- Tito Pao 07:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I scoured the net finding the verbatim for that one but I couldn't find it. --Howard the Duck 02:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Sigh... Kinausap ko na siya sa talk page nya. Matigas talaga ulo--Lenticel ^(talk) 07:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Completion of by-laws (and other WMPH stuff)

In order to get Wikimedia Philippines moving forward, we need to get two things done:

1. Inspect the (now-completed) Bylaws and comment
2. Inspect the Articles of Incorporation for anything inconsistent, and if ready, vote to approve or not. If approved, I will forward it to the Chapters committee.

Please do participate in the processes! To vote on whether to support or oppose the Articles of Incorporation, go here. --Sky Harbor 02:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

To add on: a new participants' list is available here. Those who signed on my old list have been moved to the new one (well, sort of). Feel free to sign up! --Sky Harbor 06:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Ogie Alcasid

At a glance, the article looks like it was lifted from the official website. patingin naman oh. I know the we have some copyright problems with GMA stars lately.--Lenticel ^(talk) 07:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

President of the Philippines

The title of the President of the Philippines should be left blank as most Filipinos do no recognize the present presidency to be the legitimate one.