Talk:MapleStory

Anyone editing the main article should read the WikiProject Computer and Video Games page so that the article remains conformed to the project's guidelines.

Anyone who wants to work on character or game guides should go to the Wikibooks section on MapleStory which is located here. The link can also be found at the bottom of the article in the external links section.

Only notable fansites and guides should be added to the external links section in the main article. Small or new forums and guild websites do not belong there. Wikipedia is not a place to advertise, and adding too many links will clutter the article.

The game issues page located at MapleStory Game Issues should only include factual information about existing scams, without including how to avoid the scams. Also, do not link to scam and/or hack websites.

Information on pricing items does not belong here as it is too volatile and is not encyclopedic. If you want to price items, refer instead to Sleepywood, Hidden-Street and BasilMarket.

The game is called MapleStory, with no space (not Maple Story) so please keep everything under that name.

-- Prod-Me 03:15, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps Adding This Fan Site

Hey guys,

I noticed you guys have a brief list of major fan sites on wikipedia. I am suggesting about adding Maple Radio (www.maple-radio.com) to the wiki external links because Maple Radio is a site that is unique from others with respect that it is a radio station dedicated to GlobalMS and this summer.. MapleSEA. Maple Radio has already attracted the attention of Game Masters (screenshots are able to be provided if needed) and would be an awesome addition to the external links page of the Maple Story article.

Thanks

First, please sign your name by typing ~~~~. Second, this site is not notable at all. Third, wikipedia is not a directory and fan sites shouldn't be placed unless it's well-known to the community. It should never be used as an advertising site. So my decision is oppose. OhanaUnited 04:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I can see it is garnering progressive popularity on Global MS, as I have heard about talks of it regularly within the game. I say neutral, only because I am unsure if it's gotten enough attention to be included. Zanibas 04:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

My decision is oppose, reasons similar to OhanaUnited's opinion. pirkid 16:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Maple Controversy

I believe that the link concerning "Maple Controversey" within the introduction is not anywhere close to developed to be linked to the main Maple article. It's mainly biased and one-sided. However, with improvement and the introduction of ACTUAL controversies, it could be worthy of readdition. Zanibas 04:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

There are no "actual" controversies. That's just dreamed up by the creator of that article. I think it should be immediately and summarily deleted. If MapleStory Worlds didn't deserve its own page, neither does that by far. --IsaacGS 14:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

MapleStory Worlds Page existed few monthes ago, but an administrator deleted it and it has been moved to StrategyWiki. - Wkkim9292 02:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Flaming will not be tolerated. -- Prod-You 02:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

A warning

Recently, I have been hit by a person that continuoulsy mass vandalizes my wiki (maplewiki). I read his website, some anti-maplestory website and apparently, he wants MapleStory to be destroyed and is aiming wikipedia to make sure maplestory is not promoted. He may attempt to add things, I see he added "controversey", so please be on the look out. amosh Mapletip 14:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning, as you can see he's already been here and I've set strategywiki on alert as well. Haven't seen anymore trouble from him since, but I'm not sure that means he's gone. --IsaacGS 19:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning, but these guys must love MapleStory enough to be defined by what they appear to dislike :P -- Prod-You 00:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

That guy is called Anti-Maplestory. Keep an eye on him. The so-called controversy page has been speedily deleted (I think). OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 05:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I would just like to make a few comments. First, Prod-You, I have no idea what you mean by "these guys must love MapleStory enough to be defined by what they appear to dislike :P". Also, I have ended my break and now I am back on Anti-Maplestory track. You guys MUST NOT understand how bad Maplestory is. You just don't get it. Anti-Maplestory 22:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

You are defining your actions based on the game. If you do not like the game, simply do not play. Your other option is to make something better. -- Prod-You 23:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

No one is pointing a gun to your head forcing you to play. Please respect Wikipedia:Civility. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 12:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

What is your reason on vandalizing a page? Just so you can demote a game you do not enjoy, I really don't see the point. Also it goes against the code of conduct, this is suppose to inform not to be a biased on the game. Soon people will think, hey people can vandalize Maple Story so I am going to Vandalize RuneScape because its Java and has bad graphics -WoW too much hype -The Airbender what a stupid show is this I am going to mess with all the information, Aang age 41. This show is interesting show but you will lose interest very fast so DO NOT WATCH IT! -Then the anime haters are going to come out, and put on the main information of Anime, "word used describe what 25 year old fat lard who sits in his moms basemnent watching cartoon all day.(yes I am aware I spelled basement wrong) all your doing is causing a chain reaction. Thank you -Sincerely Angel of Theft 67.81.148.142 05:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I think User:Anti-Maplestory didn't know what Wikipedia is for. Someone should show him WP:WWIN. --JackLau 09:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Fansites

While going through cleanup on fansites, some individuals are in conflict of interst position and reverted my edits. I can tell you that I remove many links based NOT on popularity in the community, but its ranking on Alexa because wikipedia targets general audience and not on the gaming community itself.

Rankings from Alexa

• Hidden Street 1863
• Maple Tip 14,406
• Basil Market 2950
• Happy Mapling 175,891

Just a question, as of recent, PerionCorner.com has been listed on "aboutus.org" as the replacement for Orbis Outlet which I do believe was on the maple story fan site link part. Here's the url as to how i found out: http://www.aboutus.org/OrbisOutlet.com

When you search Orbis Outlet, it takes you to a site called PerionCorner.com and.. their official forums are held within sleepywood. Possible chance of listing PerionCorner.com on the front maple story article? (refers to the re-direct from aboutus.org) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.221.92.4 (talk) 20:53, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Unless there's a really good reason, or Alexa ranking changed dramatically, Hidden Street and Basil Market will be on the english fansite list. Please don't add more to the list just to advertise your site. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 08:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I don't know about Maple Tip, but I think Happy Mapling should be removed. It is old, unreliable with information, and I am not even sure if it updated anymore. HawkXZ 18:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Ranking is irrelevant, it's all about informational content. -- Prod-You 16:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually it does, and occurs in Talk:RuneScape/Archive 21#Removing Zybez. To be 100% true, Wikipedia is not a collection of links. Since a lot of data in MapleTip and Happy Mapling are already covered by Hidden Street so ranking takes president here. And to User:Mapletip, Wikipedia is not an advertising service. However, I can give you a recommendation. If you want to increase traffic for your site, you may go to strategywiki if their rules allow you to do so. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 18:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

We keep hidden street not because it's more popular, but because it has more information. As you stated, it contains the info that MapleTip and Happy Mapling contain (though I'm not sure if they contain some info that HS doesn't). I started reading that Runescape discussion, and ranking is only mentioned once, seemingly having nothing to do with the rest of the discussion. That is also not official policy (unless you can show me otherwise). The policy I remember reading (it has been a while :/) has more to do with starting new pages, rather than linking.

In summary, we are going purely by informational content/reliability. If a new website that has more info shows up, we will link to them regardless of their ranking. However, if they are rarely updated/site is mostly down, we will remove the link. -- Prod-You 19:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Happy Mapling can be taken out because on their website, their "latest" news posted on the homepage is November 4. Should we remove the links not in english? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 17:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

If you want to add a site that gives info, keep Mapletip/MapleWiki up there. They both give info, as well as guides. ~Don't Wanna Sign~

We're not adding sites, we're removing the ones that arent updating or having low Alexa ranking. Next time please login. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 17:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Window Vista

Does anyone know if this game supports Window Vista? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 18:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Only in compatibility mode for GlobalMS. I believe it differs by region, I know that MapleSEA spent a significant amount of effort trying to update.--IsaacGS 04:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

It can, but it might blue screen you from time to time. And it'll screw up your validation if you priated Vista. 24.136.88.151 23:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Criticism

I recall some kind of criticism a while ago, and I think it needs to be fitted back on to the article, Grinding and Cheating are very common, but MapleStory has some huge, gaping flaws that to this day have not been addressed. I'm not going to sputter on and on, but Warrior accuracy is perpetually broken for example, it has been since I participated in the Beta, and it has never been addressed. I think the game should have a criticism section for many of the(three years plus) flaws in the game.Revrant 01:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the warrior's accuracy is broken, it's meant to be like that. Theifs need DEX to wear equips, mages need LUK, warriors need DEX to get accuracy. However, there are some flaws in the game that I thing should be addressed, Maple does have excessive grinding and hacking has been a major problem and is only just being dealt with in gMS. Minpolik 03:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Already mentioned in critical reception section. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 13:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

How about addressing me Ohana? Obviously this person is oblivious to that, and yes it is, Warriors are not meant to be so useless and unable to do quests, you mean to say that other classes being fully capable of hitting certain monsters up to thirty levels before us is meant to be? I think not, it's an obvious flaw you can prove by comparison, and I think it deserves a place in the article.

As for the hacking and grinding, Lord, try reading the article, they're both included. Revrant 02:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Towns table

I was just wonder ing. Remember the chart that had a list of maple areas and towns [eg] Riprey and such. with the checks for the types of maplestorys that have it. How come that was taken down? Could someone put it back up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.188.79 (talk) 18:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

This has been moved to StrategyWiki:MapleStory/Patches. -- Prod-You 00:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

We still have one, Template:MapleStory Versions content, but it's not linked by any mainspace page and not as good looking as the one in StrategyWiki. It's kept there just as a reference. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 05:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

And I think it's time to delete it. -- Prod-You 16:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Source for statement?

I'm trying to track down a verifiable source for a statement in Yotsuba Koiwai, that in MapleStory "Yotsuba's hairstyle can be obtained in a salon located in a town called Zipangu." Can anyone assist with a pointer? Thanks. —Quasirandom 19:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I believe it might be referring to this style, though I'm not sure because I haven't heard of that character.--IsaacGS 19:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I added the link to hidden street about this hairstyle in Maple to the Yotsuba article. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 22:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Maple Story on Mac?

Does anyone know if Maple story works on Mac? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.12.248 (talk) 20:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

This thing resembles a game guide

I shall be deleting and moving a mass of information from this article shortly. I shall be editing with respect to WP:NOT#INFO, WP:NOT#GUIDE, and WP:CVG/GL#Scope_of_information. There's too much info here that doesn't belong. Here's some specifics on what I'll be doing.

• Character progression - that chart doesn't belong there. Neither does the mention of levels; what does belong is stating the four general classes you can progress to, and a rough description of each.
• Dying - this section simply doesn't belong.
• Abilities - picture is not necessary. Likewise, Skills and Guilds could do with some shortening.
• Monsters - shorten it by around 33%, then consolidate it under Gameplay.
• Quests - again, shorten this section and consolidate it under Gameplay.
• World - shorten this section a bit, but it's fine as a section of its own.
• Items - shorten this section by maybe 50% and consolidate it under Gameplay. But really this section has no place in this Wiki; there's quite a bit explaining how the features work, what times they're available, etc.

That should cover all of it I think. Ong elvin 02:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I should add that if you don't like the sound of what I'm going to do, I'd suggest moving the relevant parts into the relevant gaming wiki. Ong elvin 02:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

We have gone through this discussion before and many sections were removed. I suggest we should leave it as it is. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 12:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I will be deleting that information. Information may be true, but that doesn't mean it's encyclopaedic. If you read the scope guidelines that I linked above, you'll notice that if information is only relevant to those playing the game, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Those estimates of the changes I'll be making are a conservative estimate of what doesn't belong in this article.

When a character's hit points reach zero, the character dies. This is depicted by a tombstone falling from the top of the screen, and the character transmuting into a floating, ghost-like body. The character is incapable of moving, but they retain the ability to speak and use facial expressions.

Text like that, for example. The first sentence is obvious, and has no place in any gaming article. The second is unnecessary because it's the minutiae of death, which has no relevance on gameplay. It's a purely aesthetic thing. The third sentence is irrelevant as well, partly because of the fact you don't want to stay dead, but also because it too has no relevance on gameplay. The mention of the safety charm later in that subsection is guide material, including the sentences that follow until the end of that subsection. The only text that really belongs in a Death subsection:

Death will normally cost a character a percentage of EXP, depending on how much luck they have, but the EXP percentage cannot fall below zero percent. The beginner class players cannot lose EXP. After dying, the character revives at the nearest town.

So yeah, that's like 60% bloat in that subsection. Ong elvin 15:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Right, I'm gonna start on those edits I've pointed out now. ^_^ Ong elvin 00:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, first up, Gameplay. Greatly shortened Character Progression and removed the table. Level limits didn't belong. Dying as I originally said simply doesn't belong to the game either, especially since MapleStory's treatment of death is nothing out of the ordinary with respect to the genre. Abilities section I killed; again, nothing out of the ordinary in the MMORPG genre. The only thing really relevant in the Skills subsection was that some skills require unlocking, and that's by class change and levelling, so again, not overly relevant. Guilds, explaining its purpose is cool, but explaining the heirarchy and how to create one, and the benefits of being in one (ie, guild quest) are within the scope of a gaming wiki. Ong elvin 00:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Next up... World! Removed all the minutiae regarding travel. That's about it really. Ong elvin 00:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Monsters now. Removed the image as it does not contribute to understanding of the game. If you're playing an RPG, monsters are a given. Why do you need a picture to understand what a monster is? (Alternatively, one can look up Monster in the dictionary.) Information regarding experience and items is standard fare for MMORPGs. Nothing special to warrant mentioning it specifically. Boss mentions are pretty obvious too, since they're not unique to MapleStory either. In the end, I killed this section altogether. But hey, you have all this information on the gaming wiki already, right? Ong elvin 01:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

While editing Quests, I realised that information regarding levelling (the paragraph that mentions the level 200 limit) doesn't showcase anything unique to MapleStory. Anyway, the Quests edits. We know what a Quest is, you don't have to be a gamer to realise what it is. Ever heard of the Middle Ages? Yeah, I removed the explanation of what a Quest is. Party Quests are just a Quest with a limitation on player count, but otherwise nothing special about them. Jump Quests doesn't need it's own subsection, I shortened and put it under Quests as a separate paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ong elvin (talk • contribs) 01:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Blech, I have a habit of forgetting to sign off. :/ Well, I'm done with the edits for now. I'll make the rest of the edits I outlined at a later time. Ong elvin 01:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I think your edits are unilateral, even though it may be constructive. When you post a notice telling us that you will remove contents, barely a day has passed before you act upon it. You really should wait for response instead of acting hastely on your edits. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 01:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

About 36 hours, actually. :P And yeah, I'd say sorta unilateral since I haven't actually finished. For articles with obvious game guide information I normally edit first then explain on the talk page. I only forewarn for larger articles likely to have several people watching, and then if the material in question is clearly beyond scope, I give it around 24 hours. If the information itself had been fine but just longer and more detailed than necessary, then I'd've given it around 72 hours. Anyway... I do have a few more edits coming soonish. Look for changes to Items and Unique Features in the near future, although probably not too many to the latter. Ong elvin 02:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I would also appreciate a more specific explanation of what you meant by "unilateral." Ong elvin 02:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll tell you. If you were really enforcing "The True Wiki Way®" then you'd wait for consensus to develop, instead of making all the changes yourself. But of course you're not, you're wielding wiki guidlines like a true deletionist to have the satisfaction of getting your own way over the objections of the many. Well I have some news for you mister (and other deletionists), the many are what MAKE those rules you throw around. Meh. I don't care as long as curseeye.PNG survives!!! :( :( --froth^t 03:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:BOLD So if I make a change here or there before informing, and people agree that it is acceptable, that could also be considered consensus. Furthermore, "deletionist?" I go for the throat of anything that doesn't look like it belongs in Wikipedia. That's part of the goal of Wikipedia - to not include things that don't belong. Reverts are easy to make. Also, there is one problem with your proposed process, and it often plagues gaming articles of this quality and style. Namely, that everyone will disagree with the correct decision. What I do is to make the change first, with a bit of forewarning for larger ones. This lets people see what I mean, and lets them see that the change is good or at least acceptable. The regular editors, often having allowed the article to become so big to begin with, are clearly stumped as to how to be concise. Oh, did I mention that Wikipedia is not a Democracy? I may be "violating" WP:NOT#BUREAUCRACY by some counts, but I keep to the spirit of whatever policies and guidelines I incite in my rationale. Most often not to go into minutiae, most notably as perceived by WP:NOT#INFO. Ong elvin 04:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... I agree, a thumbnail of the normal screen is horrible, but that thumbnail of the monsters hardly contributes to understanding how the game is played. But at least it's in a nice spot. :P Ong elvin 04:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Part 2

Okay... looking through Items and Unique gameplay features now. Before looking at it, I'm just going to say that I'll probably kill off information about items which is generic across the genre while leaving just enough to explain their purpose (ie, buff the character). And Unique gameplay features is suitable as a section of its own, but I think the name of the section needs to change; I'm thinking to Unique Features or Game Features or MapleStory Features. At the very least, capitalize the section titles. Ong elvin 09:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, killed the information regarding the item classes and what they each do. Removed a regional bias. (That would be the mention that USA Target stores sell them.) Removed information on buying items from the cash shop, since that information is not relevant to non-players; plus it's pretty generic info anyway. (CC and PayPal are common terms nowadays.) Trading mesos for cash items info removed under the same rationale. Neither Wikipedia nor any other encyclopaedia, exists to explain ToC to anyone. Pets have no effect on gameplay; I'd remove that sentence, but figured I'd leave it in. Free Market details I demoted to a paragraph rather than a subsection; most of the information is intact, although I would remove some of it once this article gets some more encyclopaedic information. Finally, I renamed this section Economy, and I'll move it to a subsection of Gameplay in a moment. Ong elvin 10:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

First off, I decided to go with renaming it MapleStory Features. Feel free to disagree with me on this point. :P Removed a bit of info about fame; I left a bit of information of how it works, since I figure it is a unique feature, after all. Removed information regarding the Chinese marriages since the month mentioned says that mode phases out about now for the Amoria system. I also shortened it to one paragraph. Now Events, those are hardly unique to MapleStory. I figure I'll let it slide. I did remove the examples, since the paragraph directly after it gives a non-specific example already. Ong elvin 10:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, before I forget, I removed the Rank subsection links since you should be able to find them from the region's homepage; and the region homepages are linked at the bottom. Ong elvin 10:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

dragon knight

Dragon knght is a thing who like to kill thing that is unproprait and love dragon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.74.50 (talk) 09:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Not only was that not understandable, but how is it relevant to improving the article?--Imaginationac (talk) (edits) (email) 00:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)