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Autoblock

 :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 02:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I do. Wouldn't you like to get them too? RfA is no big deal, you know... Fvasconcellos (t·c) 02:43, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your faith in me. Having the mop will certainly be nice, but so far I have not had much need for it. The RFA process needs a bit of thought; I probably would consider applying when I have a bit more time. Thanks once again! --Rifleman 82 14:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, think about it :) Anytime, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 04:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

pl:Grafika:Linia prozniowa jednodrozna.jpg

Hi,

I haven't this picture without the captions, however I can take a camera and make better pictures of various vac-lines in my lab tommorow :-) We have both vacuum-gas lines as well as high vacuum lines.

Polimerek 22:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

That's great. Thanks! --Rifleman 82 03:21, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

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Cheers,

Polimerek 13:53, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Polimerek!

P/S It is quite obvious that you are a Chemist. If you are active on the English wikipedia, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry, where you can find fellow chemists. If you have time, perhaps you can help improve condenser (laboratory) by translating the polish article which seems much more detailed? --Rifleman 82 16:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Admin?

Hi there, would you be interested in having a few more buttons on your toolbar? Tim Vickers 01:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tim. Thanks for your faith in me. Like I told Fvasconcellos here, the RfA process feels daunting and of late, my time here has been quite limited time here. But, yes, I think having the mop will allow me to contribute more. I'll go look at the RfA documents again. If you have a moment, perhaps you can guide me through? Thanks! --Rifleman 82 03:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll deal with all the technicalities of templates and stuff, all you would have to do is accept the nomination and answer the questions. Tim Vickers 03:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tim, that was fast! I'll look at it later, during lunchtime. --Rifleman 82 03:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, glad to hear it! It's about time :) When I chose to accept the nomination, the first thing I did was look at WP:ADMIN (not that you'll need to, I presume :) and take a couple of days to read through WP:PREP and beef up on policy, as suggested by Samir—and I don't regret it. When answering the questions, just be yourself; if you get an optional question asking "what would you do in situation X", just say what you'd do :) It's also nice to have a clear idea of what exactly you'd like (or need) to do with the tools; that way, when you get them, you can get started right away ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your advise, Fvas. Much appreciated! --Rifleman 82 16:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

OK the nomination is up. Good luck, not that you'll need it. Tim Vickers 17:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Good point, the statement "Lets say you are in a edit war with a user" is a bit of a "Are you still beating your wife?" question. Tim Vickers 01:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

chembox -> chembox new

I wanted to ask this already for some time, but I have been away, and haven't spent time on this front. But now I ran into your RFA, (though Tim suggests in his addition of the RFA that he wants to delete WP:RFA ;-) ), I saw you mentioning the chembox -> chembox new task. Can you guesstimate how far you are with {{chembox}} -> {{chembox new}}? I see we have a couple of thousands of transclusions, it must be almost finished (?). --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 19:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC) (P.S. good luck with your RFA).

Yes, indeed, we're almost there! The User:Beetstra/Chemicals/Worklist is actually in your userspace! There are about 600 remaining now, not counting those which I clicked "ignore" for a variety of reasons. When I do run awb, my personal quota is 50 per day. But since today is a public holiday, maybe I can clear more. Anyway, my guestimate is 2 weeks. If I have more time, shorter. --Rifleman 82 00:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Great. That is nice. I guess it is time then to 'demolish' the old chembox, and turn it into the subst template for e.g. a medium {{chembox new}}. Do you keep a list of the pages which you have ignored? We could put them up for 'still to be done by hand' on the wikiproject (or I can try and adapt the script a bit further to do some more of that). --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think you can edit {{Chembox}} already since it is not transcluded anyway. Perhaps the simple version of {{chembox new}} is sufficient, though I would like to add the ExternalMSDS field to it. I don't have a list of those I have ignored, but I can easily generate it by taking the difference between {{chembox header}} and {{chembox header2}}. --Rifleman 82 10:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I will change {{chembox}}. It would be nice if you could generate the list of ignored articles in the end. I could have a look at them, and report the rest to the to-do list of wikiproject chemicals. Cheers! --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem. For the ignored articles, some are simply not chemicals — they only use the {{Chembox header}} for aesthetic reasons. These can be permanently ignored. For some others, they require extensive hand-coding, so they can be fixed eventually. For the last category, such as the article on Xylenes, we have to give some thought on how we want to organize the table, recognizing the limitations of {{Chembox new}}. Anyway, I'll clear all the easy ones, and I'll leave the hand-coding work and discussion-required work in the worklist.--Rifleman 82 10:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

3,3'-Diaminobenzidine

I was looking at the 3,3'-Diaminobenzidine controversy. I strongly agree with you that WP is not a MSDS, and that toxicity sections should not look like a copy-and-paste from a MSDS. But why did you delete the NFPA data from the infobox? That is part of the standard infobox and it is included in many Wikipedia chemical articles. Similarly, data such as LD50 could also be added to the infobox instead of simply deleted from the article. --Itub 09:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Itub. You're right, NFPA should not have been deleted. I'm sorry for that. As for LD_50, this field was only recently implemented in {{Chembox new}}. I've restored both. Thanks for your note. --Rifleman 82 10:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Your RFA was successful

Congratulations, I have closed your RfA as successful and you are now a sysop! If you have any questions about adminship, feel free to ask me. Please consider messaging me on IRC for access to the #wikipedia-en-admins channel. Good luck! --Deskana (talk) 17:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Way to go, Rifleman—you can kiss those autoblocks goodbye ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 17:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Haha, thanks for your help and advise! --Rifleman 82 17:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

No surprise here. Congrats. Now go delete something!  :) --Ed (Edgar181) 17:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Haha, thanks Ed! --Rifleman 82 17:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Well done! Rudget _zŋ 17:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Congrats, now get that mop out and start cleaning! Physchim62 (talk) 15:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Favor

Hi Rifleman 82, first off, well done! Hope you find the tools useful. You might have noticed that your nomination was one of several others I made over that last week, this was partly spurred by the threat of IPs being allowed to create new pages, but also has a more general objective. This other reason for this effort was that I have been a little disturbed by a growing attitude that admins are more than just editors with a few more buttons on their toolbars and are instead "senior editors" with greater authority. I decided that the best way of dealing with this idea was to greatly expand the pool of admins to include a wider diversity of the pool of editors.

Since you have now passed the selection, could you in turn select and nominate some people you trust - I'd suggest aiming for about three over the next month or so. Of those who are selected, could you ask them in turn to select and nominate three candidates. Such a chain of trust should result, over time, in a greatly enlarged pool of admins and thus provide a simple and effective way of spreading the responsibility - perhaps to the point where becoming an admin is seen as normal and expected, rather than a major achievement. I hope you'll be able to help me with this. Thank you. Tim Vickers 22:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

If I may comment, trust is very important. However, nominating someone just because you have a quota seems to me as though this could lead to a hasty decision. --CyclePat 03:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, hence the suggestion only, of "about" three people over "perhaps" a month or so - that's not a quota. I trust Rifleman 82's judgement enough to know that if he comes across more suitable candidates he might nominate more, or find fewer, nominate less. Or even think the whole idea is a poor one and ignore me entirely. It's really up to him. All the best Tim Vickers 03:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Again, just a remark. b.t.w: I kind of like the idea of not making a big hipe about being admin... it seems as though you have a spanish incosition, then the nomination, then... Anyways, my appologies if I infered some insult (pre-judgement, etc). :) Best regards. --CyclePat 04:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tim, Cyclepat

I see your point and I would be happy to participate. I agree it probably shouldn't be a quota. Perhaps you can look at it as identifying *all* editors who have gained the trust of the community to promote them as administrators. Perhaps to the extent that being an admin is in the natural progression for the serious contributor. And that once again, many hands make light work.

That said, I have a few ideas of who to nominate, but I will wait until I settle into and understand the role of an admin fully before I do so. Once again, Tim, thanks for your nom, support, advise! --Rifleman 82 04:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:V

-CyclePat 03:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi CyclePat

I already do understand WP:V, and I have seen this here before. I assume you are referring to the discussion at Talk:Mass spectrometry. While citations are required to back up assertions, we should not need to pick nits about what are straightforward initialisms. Are you going to demand a citation for ¹H NMR and ¹³C NMR spectrometryspectroscopy next? --Rifleman 82 04:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Rifleman 82,

I wish I knew what that was... a citation from a book would be good. Yes. I'm guessing that's a chemical component? Are you trying to make H2O2 CH something something... chemistry class. I'dd expect you to have a reference for that... so I can get the book and make my own objective comment... and add maybe then add more information to the article. --CyclePat 05:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

NMR - Nuclear Magnetic Resonance spectroscopy. See also proton NMR spectroscopy (¹H), carbon-13 NMR spectroscopy (¹³C). --Rifleman 82 06:48, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

This user is in an unfortunate crusade for "finding sources" for every MS abbreviation, and has been inflicting it on the MS disambiguation page. See Talk:MS for more details. --Itub 05:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

What is unfortunate? The crusade? Finding sources? Or the fact that MS disambiguation is using articles which don't even mention the term MS? --CyclePat 05:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

IRC

I'll be there in a while, an hour or so maybe. I have some news for you all! Physchim62 (talk) 15:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Disruptive single-purpose account

If you don't mind, please look into this user. Chensiyuan 13:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to look into "my account". I accept that I have done some wrong, but having been warned (perhaps a little inappropriately) I am now reformed and only intend to contribute constructively. Dramanote 13:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'll hold you to that. --Rifleman 82 13:19, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The Stone Gods

I've removed your 'nn' tag from this article as it meets the WP:BAND notability criteria "Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable" - in this case three members of The Darkness. Exxolon (talk) 04:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I've added some references - most are not great but there is an article from Classic Rock Magazine's official website that mentions they are supporting Thin Lizzy - I think this site meets WP:RS, the others may not. Exxolon (talk) 04:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

User:JustinRoth

I originally userfied a page created by this user, which you have since deleted citing A1 - no context. I'm a little confused by your deletion, since it was a userpage, not an article, and thus the article criteria don't apply. Natalie (talk) 19:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem, that's kind of what I suspected. I checked the deletion log in the first place because I thought I might have accidently deleted it! Natalie (talk) 19:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Journal of Physics: Condensed Matter

I had blanked the page by accident while editing it. I have updated the information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Journals88 (talk • contribs) 15:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

George Cross

I notice you reinstated a bizarre notability tag on James Patrick Scully. This is the second time you've tagged it thus. Winners of the second highest award for gallantry in the British Commonwealth are clearly notable. Take it to AfD if you think otherwise. If you still think wikipedia's notability guidelines regarding people who've won important awards should be ignored feel free to take all the people on this list [1] to AfD too. You were wrong to tag it for lacking a reference as well, seeing it was referenced to the official Government paper of record in Great Britain. I notice you've just been made an administrator, which makes your actions here all the stranger. Nick mallory (talk) 04:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I looked at the article and felt that it was likely to be notable. That is why I didn't tag it for AfD. However, the article's references were not properly formatted. That, I have fixed.

The article does not assert the person's notability, in that there is only one (not multiple) references in which the subject is given significant coverage. Two, if you count the external link which appears to be a database of George Cross recipients. In comparison with other articles in the list you mentioned, Albert Guérisse, Wallace Oakes, and James William Nightall have so much more context with regard to the claim of notability.

Lastly, your edit summary here doesn't seem very civil. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 06:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

It was simply accurate. You tagged a referenced article for having no references then twice tagged a clearly notable subject as not being notable. You wasted my time in doing this. You haven't apologised for your mistake and continue to argue about it, although on ever shifting grounds. Nick mallory (talk) 02:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Attempting to WP:OWN the articles you started? --Rifleman 82 (talk) 02:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

(ec) Nick, I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of notability here. The subject in question doesn't seem notable in his own right, to be honest, and that's what counts here - Alison ^❤ 06:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? He won the second highest award for gallantry in Britain. How can that not be notable in its own right? Nick mallory (talk) 02:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Alison, see WikiProject Miltary history/Style guide#Notability, the GC is equal to the VC and confers inherent notability, at least so far as that project is concerned. They are usually the subject of significant media coverage at the time of the award, adn frequently receive an obit purely by virtue of the GC award, but such things aren't that easy to find for wartime awards. David Underdown (talk) 11:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Nick, there's absolutely no need to be rude about this. We're all working for the better of the encyclopedia here. David - can you provide more information as to precedent for the inherent notability of GC recipients? - Alison ^❤ 02:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well I think the MilHist take is a specific example of applying WP:BIO#Additional criteria "The person has received significant recognized awards or honors." There is no more significant honour within the British and Commonwealth Honours system than a GC (or VC) (Some Commonwealth countries have now initiated their own equivalent awards). There have been under 160 GCs awarded to individuals (there have been two collective awards, for the island of Malta, and the RUC) since the award was initiated in 1940 (counting awards is slightly complicated because the award was set up in such a way that the recipients of a number of previous awards were required to exchange the honour they had originally been awarded for the GC), so it's certainly not something that's dished out lightly. In some cases I suppose it could be argued that a recipient may fall under "If reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography may be unwarranted", but I assume that was taken into account when the Mil Hist guideline was drawn up - I wasn't party to the discussions, so if you have issues with it, it's probably better to take it up on the project talkpage. David Underdown (talk) 09:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Winning an award is not enough by itself. We need to have sources to write an article that is longer than two lines. At the time Rifleman added the tag under dispute, the article was two lines long and was supported only by a link that didn't seem to provide much additional information. Under those circumstances, it is perfectly reasonable to ask for more references or for deleting/merging the article into the article about the award. Now that the article has been expanded to more than two lines and that it has more than one source, it seems notable enough in my opinion. However, I'm not so keen on the pasting of the whole Gazette text. --Itub (talk) 10:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with creating stubs. For a GC winner there will always be a Gazette entry - the search function can be a little difficult to navigate so it can be a bit tricky to find. There will almost certainly exist press covereage, but unless you happen to have access to 1940s newspapers, or a subscription to some of the growing numbers eg online archives it maybe beyond the ability of the original article creator to find, but if someone comes across the article and does have such access, it will hopefully prompt them to expand the article. It seems fairly common to post the whole citation for these sorts of awards (look at winners of the Medal of Honor as well), Scully's is particularly long admittedly, I thinkn the position of the infobox makes it appear longer as it is centred on what remains of the screen. The Gazette strictly speaking remains copyright for 50 years, so strictly speaking we probably shouldn't include the full citation for awards newer than this (I think some articles have though), paraphrasing it would be an alternative. David Underdown (talk) 10:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Advice concerning the article americium

I see – together with, at least, User:Vsmith and User:JWB – you are one of the active contributors on the topic. I left a message for JBW at his talk page. With all expert knowledge and yours, it will be easy to decide this wee problem. I'm not expert on the topic.  -- Gluck 123 (talk) 20:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I must decline. I am a chemist, not a nuclear physicist. My interest in this article was to bring referencing, etc. up to standard to upload to Veropedia. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 01:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. The talk with JWC cleared the question. As a chemist, please have look up to there, if you didn't before.  -- Gluck 123 (talk) 12:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Chem-awb

Put back the hazard data on ammonium perchlorate. -lysdexia 04:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out to me. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 04:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

ChemSketch

Hey Martin

Spoke to PC62 and he said you could tell me about the ChemSketch collaboration. I was dragging my feet about sending my agreement to the license terms. It's been a while and I thought it had fizzled out, but apparently it's still working. I'm still keen on participating. Let me know more? Thanks! --Rifleman 82 (talk) 15:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I was testing this out over the summer. The PNG generation works just fine, hopefully that is in Version 11, but no SVG as yet. I wanted to include an embedded InChI as well (in fact in some ways that's more important to me) but that feature doesn't seem to work. Then I got 69 students in organic chemistry and life got really busy...! I should have much more time to work on this within less than a month; the semester is ending and I think my load next semester will be lighter.

The person in charge changed over the summer, and also ChemSketch started working on InChI Keys instead of InChIs, so I thought I would ask them to work on enbedding InChI keys. Hopefully next month. Must go now, Walkerma (talk) 15:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I've heard of Antony Williams doing something else, which was why I thought it was no longer active. Anyway, thanks for the update. I shan't bug you - when you have time, let me know if I am eligible to get the beta version. Thanks! --Rifleman 82 (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

5.56x45mm NATO round

Hi, the M193 is also a NATO round. The 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge includes both the 62 grain SS109/M855 and the 55 grain M193. Cheers Koalorka (talk) 03:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

IRC cloak request

I am Rifleman_82 on freenode and I would like the cloak wikimedia/rifleman_82. Thanks. --Rifleman 82 16:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Catalysis is the new chemistry collaboration

Hi Rifleman, ages ago you supported making catalysis the chem collaboration; the article is improved since then but could still use more work. If you can help it'd be great. I hope I will be able to pitch in as well after exams are over - I'd like to revitalise the Chemistry Collaboration. Thanks, Walkerma 05:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I'll help. Thanks! --Rifleman 82 08:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Deleting my Thumbnails

Hi Rifleman, you are deleting my images which are being used on actual pages. These images are actually used on pages contrary to your comment saying they are not. They redirect to a full width panorama which does not scale well for thumbnails. I have spent a considerable amount of personal time photographing these sceneries and making them available on Wikipedia. Can you please stop deleting my images? Thanks. JA 08:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I checked yesterday, and I checked again now, and these images are not linked from any article. [2] Can you elaborate please? --Rifleman 82 09:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Rifleman, yes, I can elaborate. You can find two of the images are being used here Berkeley Pier and Marina Bay, Richmond, California. I'm surprised they don't show as being linked because the bottom of these thumbnails here and here clearly show the linking article. I think we may have found a bug in Wikipedia because you need to go to the actual image sometimes to see what articles link to it. BTW, just to reiterate, I use this image redirect because Wikipedia does not support cropped thumbnails. Extra wide images like scenic panoramas do not look good at all when they are shrunk down because they look like a thin bar. Its slightly unorthodox but it helps immensely with thumbnails of wide panoramas. I've thought about requesting it as a new Wiki image tag feature but don't know where to begin with that at present. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benefactor123 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I see. I hope you understand why I deleted your image, though you might find other admins doing the same because we noticed these unused images. I'll let them know, and if you need any help you can drop me a note. Though I won't really be able to help you with the images, and I'm surprised that image "redirects" even work. --Rifleman 82 09:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Yes, I can now verify that the Special:Whatlinkshere tool indicates that none of my current thumbnail photos are being used but that is now clearly a false result and I can see why you may proceed to delete it speedily. It appears the tool was not implemented to consider redirected image pages. I would very much appreciate if you notified the other admins as to this problem to prevent them from deleting my photos. I will be uploading more scenic photos from my local bay area to articles that sorely need photos. You may want to alert the admins to not delete images with "thumb" in them uploaded via my username. Thanks again. JA 09:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Gracias on the mecobalamin

I've made enough enemies here (mostly by raising holy hell when I see an admin mistreat a normal editor) that I'm sure a RfA of mine would never pass, despite 8,000 or so pretty good edits (good being defined as they're still there after a couple of years). And I'm depressed enough about the state of Wikipedia (see for example the TALK page of WP:sock, the indefinite blocking (essentially by now a defacto ban) of user:Ryoung122 and the argument over the deletions of BIOS on Stephen Coles, James Birren and the GRG) that I don't really want to see the outcome. I'm happy enough just making a better encyclopedia. One of these days one of these administrators on one of their powertrips will block me indefinitely, and that will be my (very natural) signal that it's time for me personally to quit. It seems to me that Wikipedia has degraded some just in the time I've been here, but perhaps that's just because I know the ropes better and have a better sense of the backstabbing that goes on behind the scenes. Did you know that one of my first run-ins with with some doofus who called himself "Essjay"? I said he was a bad egg. I KNEW he was, from the way he treated other people. Were it not for a passing editor who rescued me that time, I wouldn't be here now. But you can't expect that luck to last. ;) SBHarris 23:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Rifleman

As you have asked us to contact you with any thoughts on your drawing I would like to ask you to please do a slight alteration on the picture you produced for transesterification, namely to put brackets around the CO groups of the triester. It would also look nicer (I think) starting with the fatty acid bits and keeping it uniformly free of the line drawing bits (I know the vertical lines cannot be avoided) Regards LouisBB (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm at work now, but I'll go see what I can do later. Thanks for the note. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 03:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello again, and thanks for the quck reply. As I've been thinking a bit more about the article and of the note of request somebody put in asking for improvements I considered that this is really a very nice article already, not much missing from it. I see the following things that we could do to improve it to make it a very good article:

1. We have a lot of duplication describing the process. So, because in the second half the process is nicely detailed I'd reduce the first half to minimum (in a single paragraph?) and call it: Brief description of the process.
2. I would remove from the first sections whatever is already described later in detail. I would transfer and and amalgamate the rest with the second half and call the lot Detailed description of the process, with roughly the same sub-titles as the present one.

It would look better organised if a new section (or a sub-sub section of the Detailed description) could be created for Improved operational efficiency bunching with it continuous operation as well, but I don't see it yet how this could be presented logically.

1. In the second half I would separate the notes on special attention and safety aspects and put it perhaps with a different print (following directly the description of each sub-section rather than grouping it separately, because I think it is more handy there) and
2. Do a few little corrections in the script of the detailed description, and
3. Ask the writer(s) of the detailed description for his/their references to be included.
4. It might be interesting, but not important to compare the transesterification reaction, which is also called alcoholysis (not yet mentioned in the article) with hydrolysis, on examples, which could be included with the brief description with your existing picture, but then perhaps we would have to substitute in the drawing Et with r, or R_s for example, telling the reader that this refers to a short paraffin chain with max 3 C atoms.

What do you think? LouisBB (talk) 08:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Long answer will have to wait, but the quick answer is that I got fed up with the biodiesel/related articles a long time ago, and stopped watching them. My main grouses would be that the articles are getting to POV and hobbyist. Briefly, POV = biodiesel is the best thing which has happened since sliced bread, without noting the environmental problems/neutral or nearly neutral energy input versus output. Hobbyist in that the main editors seem to be talking about cookbook style chemistry, which I don't do. These are my hazy recollections more than a year old. They may or may not be true (or true anymore).

Taking a quick look at biodiesel production, it seems to attempt to define transesterification all by itself, without making use of transesterification as an article.

I'll be happy to help out in this article again. Like I said, quick answer now, I'll look at the article and your comments in detail later. Hope I don't sound like a wet blanket. While biodiesel was one of the first articles I contributed to, I didn't get a very good feeling of the outcome. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 09:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I understand completely your disappointment. However, the detailed parts seem to be quite well written, though need copy editing. I can have a bash at that. The scrubbing of the duplication in the first half, and writing a frappant brief summary could come from you if you fancy the work. As far as the intro equation, perhaps it ought only be a block diagram, eg : Glycerol triester plus short chain alcohol (and catalyst) = biodiesel + glycerol

Regrds, LouisBB (talk) 23:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

link

Good morning Rifleman 82! What I would suggest is to report such site ASAP yourself to either WT:WPSPAM and/or the talkpage of the blacklist (MediaWiki Talk:Spam-blacklist) using the {{spamlink}} template (which makes research easy and quick, and bots pick it up). Also try to give some diffs of different IPs which add the links. I believe gaiaonline.com is already being watched, there have been issues in the past. Hope this helps. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Rifleman! Thank you for helping me with the formatting of that page. =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joieko (talk • contribs) 06:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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Actually, I'm a biologist. But I took an organic chemistry module last semester and the articles on wiki has helped me quite a bit on my lab reports. I realised that there aren't many information on more advanced science on wiki so I thought I'll just chip in.

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uploading Images

hi dear, just wanted to ask how to align the images to left side of a page, please visit raoult's law and suggest me how to do that George moorey (talk) 13:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)