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No Mention of the Richard Belzer Incident!?

it should be included.

Richard Belzer Incident In 1985 on his cable TV talk show Hot Properties, Belzer said wrestling was fake and insisted Hulk Hogan put a wrestling move on him. Hulk Hogan put Belzer in a front chin lock or sleeper hold, which caused Belzer to pass out. When Hogan released him, Belzer hit his head on the floor, sustaining a laceration to his scalp which required him to be hospitalized briefly. Belzer sued Hogan for $5 million, and later settled out of court. Belzer used the settlement (rumored to be $1.5 million) to purchase a cottage in France, where he and his wife Harlee live when he's not working in the U.S. On October 20, 2006 on Bubba the Love Sponge it was claimed (with Hogan live on the phone) that the settlement totalled $5 million, half from Hogan and half from Vince McMahon.

Belzer used the incident in his HBO special Another Lone Nut as part of his stand-up routine.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iP7u5Djca3o

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Hogan's second theme

Regarding Hogan's second theme... the fact about the song being Bonnie Tyler's "Ravishing" is true. Check out her official bio on her website, there's a reference to it about midway through the biography. And take a listen to a clip of the track here at Amazon.com. The WWE version is probably an instrumental version of the song. --Jtalledo (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

That bio lists the release date of "Ravishing" in 1986; The Wrestling Album was released in 1985. Seems to me some studio hack decided to reuse the beat, and Bonnie's telling stories. --HBK 19:14, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

It looks like Jim Steinman is credited with writing Hogan's theme and he probably reused the beat for the song, see this bio Anyway, Steinman should be credited in the article. --Jtalledo (talk) 00:50, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Note about Real American - the Jimmy Hart thing isn't true. Jimmy Hart's tunes have been edited out of WWE's DVDs because they don't want to pay him royalties. The Jimmy Hart rumor originated as "he wrote the song for Hogan" when in fact the song was oringally for Rotundo/Windham. This is just a form of that rumor that Jimmy Hart wrote it for them. The song has been copywrited by the WWE forever - not "just before Hogan joined WCW". They've always owned it. And I don't think Jimmy Hart had anything to do with writing it - Rick Derringer performed it (could have wrote it), WWE's inside music man could have done it, as well help by David Worlf. Hart seems unlikely. Like I said, I've not heard of him writing the song anywhere except in the context of the mistruth "wrote it for Hogan".

Isn't it possible that Jimmy Hart wrote the song? I believe I've read numerous things about Jimmy Hart writing a good chunk of the entrance/theme songs to many WWE stars of that day. You mention a "WWE inside music man", which many have said was Hart to some extent. He wrote Shawn Michael's "Sexy boy" theme, if I'm not mistaken.Khal 18:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

His trainer broke his leg deliberately?

I find this hard to believe. I can find several sources that mention he got his leg broken, but nothing to suggest that his trainer did it deliberately to instill respect. Can anyone cite a source please? 84.67.189.21 15:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Not only has Hogan stated this in interviews many many times, the story is printed in Hogan's own words in his autobiography "Hollywood Hulk Hogan" on page 25:

Before I knew it, (Hiro) Matsuda was sitting down between my legs and putting his elbow in the middle of my shin. Then he grabbed the end of my toe and twisted my foot until - crack! - my shinbone broke in half. The whole thing took about two seconds. I had barely gotten into the ring and my damn leg was broken.

If that quote doesn't make it clear, the book is searchable on Amazon.com, and the context makes it plain. --Chrysaor 02:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I have Hogan's book and I do remember reading about Hiro Matsuda breaking his leg. I doubt Matsuda would break Hogan's leg to install respect. That would be an extreme way to instill respect. If someone can find evidence on why he broke Hogan's leg, then we will never truly know why Matsuda did it.

fishhead2100 April 28, 2006 1:41AM (UTC)

I read his book and he did say that matsuda di that [how dare him]
Ksan April ? 2006 10:47 pm EST

At that time Hogan maybe was a cocky prick and thanks to Matsuda breaking Hogans leg now he the lovable Hogan we know and love today... just a thought.

I remember watching a couple of biography shows in which Hogan was the subject and he stated that Hiro Matsuda did snap his leg. He stated that he came in there kind of cocky and a little full of himself. I don't find it all that unlikely that it really happened, despite the fact that Hogan has always been a shameless self-promoter even during the most candid of interviews. Hiro Matsuda comes from a whole different generation of wreslters. He's from the same vain as Harley Race and Killer Kowalski, legitimate tough guys that wouldn't hesitate to put a cocky young punk in his place with a couple of extremely stiff shots. Odin's Beard

It wasnt unusal decades ago for trainers to injure people. This was for 2 reasons: 1) to show that wrestling was 'real' 2) to see if you were tough enough to return. Thats just teh way it was abck then. darkie

I heard that on Hogan's 1st training session his trainer broke his shin and told him if you return then you'll make it to a pro if not then you wont SKRIBUL 20:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• • • Matsuda was known to be hard on all of his students. --Khal 19:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Chronological Order

I'm no expert on Hogan, so I dont' dare make such a drastic edit to this article for fear of putting stuff in the wrong order, but... why in the world is the article sorted by company affiliation? It makes little sense to skip from Hogan leaving WWF to returning, and then LATER mention his span in WCW, for instance. This is confusing to say the least. JPG-GR 06:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hogan vs. Flair

This isnt really something that needs to be put on the page, but I just want to get other people views on it. The WWE keep pushing Flair & Hogan as the single most greatest legend of all time, but which one is the greatest if there is one?

That would depend what you would base "greatness" on the most. Like them or not, they're both great on the mic and working a crowd. I'd call it down the middle on that. Flair is obviously more skilled in technical terms. Most wrestlers can "out wrestle" Hogan after a month or so of in ring training. However, Hogan is certainly a much bigger draw than Ric Flair ever has been at any point in his career. While Hogan's in ring skills were limited to mostly a punch, a body slam, a boot, a clothesline, and a leg drop, the Hulk Hogan character itself crossed over into mainstream entertainment like no other wrestler did before him. The Hulk Hogan character was kind of like the ultimate good guy. An old fashioned comic book superhero brought to life that always did the right thing, said the right thing, was extremely patriotic, demonstrated or hinted at supporting Christian values, loved kids, etc. Basically, everything that the Regan Era conservative would eat up. Personally, I find it rather gag-worthy, but it sure worked. In a lot of ways, the Flair character was the exact opposite of the Hogan character. Both made immeasurable contributions to pro wrestling. But, like any other business, at the end of the day, it comes down to money. Hulk Hogan is wrestling's biggest draw. Just on the strength of him being at an event, even if he's not wrestling a match, thousands will buy tickets and millions will tune in from home. Odin's Beard 03:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

What many people don't realize is in Japan Hulk Hogan was a more technical styled wrestler. Where as Japan is mroe about athletism then in American where it's mostly about mic work.

I'm aware of it, but it's not the style he preferred as evident throughout almost his entire career. Working a more technical style for a few months while working in Japan can't counter the nearly three decades since of subpar "wrestling" skills while working matches. Hogan preferred a more limited style based mostly on power in combo with his ability to get over with a crowd. Nothing wrong with that at all. However, his "greatness" certainly never came from technical wrestling skills, but more from his charisma, drawing power, and having the right gimmick at the right point in America. Odin's Beard 01:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Odin - I don't think it's necessarily right to speak on a style Hogan "preferred". He wrestled one style in Japan and another in the US. During his time in the WWF, that style of wrestling (what some consider more subpar) was what was done, as opposed to the southern NWA matches, which showed a lot more technical wrestling for years on. The WWF was all about the "larger than life" battles, while other promotions relied on skill. The fact that Hogan went with that and ran it into the stratosphere doesn't mean that that's the style he PREFERRED, or he would have just stuck with that while wrestling in Japan. At least, that's how I see it. --Khal 19:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Wrestling Observer Newsletter Awards

Why does Hogan's page only list his positive accomplishments? He was voted most overrated seven times. If we're not including the negative, the positive should be removed as well. This isn't a fan site, it's an encyclopaedia.Kirby17 16:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree entirely. Those need to go in as wellIsaac Benaron 07:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Divisive Figure

Not sure how we'd do this, but I think we need to mention the fact that Hogan is rather a divisive figure among wrestling fans- I can think of no other man who is both so totally adored by old-school wrestlign fans and so thoroughly detested by Smarks (myself included) and the IWC. This is a notable fact.Isaac Benaron 07:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Dude not all smark dislike Hogan. I wouldn't even say half of them do. watch some of his newer appearances all you can here is chearing.

Scary Movie 5

On the tv/movie roles it says that he will be on Scary Movie 5. Is that true and if it is, what page is it referenced on? Wweisreal 16:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

No reference was made, and it has been removed. (Sawyer 08:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC))

This is what's listed as the reference for it on the Scary Movie 5 page: http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2007_/articles/1187236621.php if you google "Scary Movie 5 Hulk Hogan" there are plenty of websites reporting it, but it's always possible that they just heard the rumour elsewhere and ran with it. Th 2005 08:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Ridiculous Length

Not to knock Hogan at all, but most Nobel prize winners don't have articles anywhere near this long.Landroo 12:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

MTV reality show? "Hogan knows best" is on VH1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.2.84 (talk) 14:29, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

VH1 is owned by MTV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.219.194 (talk) 22:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Such is the way of the world I suppose. I'm willing to wager there are more people that care about "Hollywood" Hulk Hogan than the latest Nobel prize winner. Th 2005 15:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Last Name

Do I assume correctly that the article is calling him "Hogan" throughout the piece, even before he changed his name, simply because everyone identifies him as "Hogan"? FlaviaR 19:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Biography / Family / Ethnicity

Since this page is locked, can someone add the following information about the Hulk. Many people didn't even know Hogan's surname is really Bollea (evident in the news about his son's recent accident). It would be helpful if someone can add that he was "the third child born to Italian-American Pete Bollea, and Ruth Bollea, a Panamanian-American of Italian and French heritage." This is courtesy of tricolore.net, BiographyChannel, imdb.com, vh1, and other prestigious media web pages. This will also help to link him to the page of List_of_Italian_Americans. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.73.44 (talk) 00:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Move Set

Someone should add his clothesline follow-up. He would irish whip almost every opponent to the corner and follow them in with a clothesline on his comebacks.

And what about his eye rake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.87.40.172 (talk) 03:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Claims about childhood.

The claim about Hogan being abused as a child should not be restored without a credible source. Wikipedia's living person biography policy states: "We must get the article right.[1] Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles,[2] talk pages, user pages, and project space. An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. Biographies of living persons (BLP) must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy." -- Kevin Browning 21:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Length issues

A think a good way to trim down the article is to really clean out the WCW portion of the article. We can hit the highlights of his career there, but transfer must of the details to New World Order (professional wrestling). We can add the {{main|New World Order (professional wrestling)}} tag right under the header so people know where to go to read about that time in his career. Anyone agree or disagree? Nikki311 00:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Agree - needs to be in summary style. Davnel03 12:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Agree - like the rest of all the articles that were part of a stable. Zenlax ^{Talk Contributions Signatures} 19:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Overuse of the word "Hogan."

In the opening paragraphs, prior to his wrestling career, the article constantly refers to him as "Hogan." In accordance with writing in an out-of-universe style, should those occurences not be changed to "Bollea?" He should be called "Hogan" during the coverage of his wrestling career, since those sections are more or less about the character he played rather than the person himself. I'm just bringing this up. As an example for what those paragraphs could potentially look like, see Edge's article. Gavyn Sykes 17:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Anything prior to him being known as Hogan should be Bollea instead. Nikki311 17:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Nikki. --Crash Underride 19:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Back Rake?

This is the only move in this article that I could not link properly. It redirects to Professional wrestling attacks but I can find no move listed on that page to be a "back rake." Can anyone help? Gavyn Sykes 20:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The back rake is exactly what it sounds like, Hogan would just take his nails and scratch them down his opponents back. I really don't think enough other wrestlers did it to warrant inclusion on the attacks page though.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 20:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok then, I'll just remove the link. That's for the explanation. Gavyn Sykes 20:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Classy Freddie Blassie

The reference to Hogan no longer having Blassie around is odd - the article itself doesn't refer to a period when Blassie was his manager. WillE 19:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

From the source: "With "heel" manager Classie Freddie Blassie at his side, Hogan played the muscular, egotistical blond villain." Nikki311 20:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Clearwater, NO

Mr. Hogan does not and has not lived in Clearwater. Bellair, yes. Miami, certainly. Clearwater, no. Please do not re-add Mr Hogan to Clearwater article. Thanks. Cheers, :) MikeReichold 20:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Getting divorced

???????????????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.41.24 (talk) 03:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Please sign your posts. (Sawyer (talk) 03:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC))

Yes, he did get divorced. It might be worth putting in the article, but I'm not sure. User:Darkdemon90 20:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Birthplace Needs Changing.

FYI, Hogan was born in Augusta, GA.......not Atlanta, GA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy112382 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Reference? (Sawyer (talk) 04:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC))

The Church of Hulkamania

Hulk Hogan now has a religious group dedicated to him on facebook. The members are trying to gain enough support to make Hulkamania an official religion. http://facebook.com/group.php?gid=13712650366

- - - - 4th December 2007 - - - - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Janeyobvxx (talk • contribs) 02:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

That's interesting, but not relevant to the article. (Sawyer (talk) 22:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC))

Height

Hogan is not 6'8! He is around 6'3 or 6'4 nowadays tops. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.228.245.45 (talk) 00:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

• Thats why it says "Billed hight" (translation: not his real hight, but how tall they claim he is). Nenog (talk) 00:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Hulk Hogan's billed height and weight in his prime was 6'8" and 303 pounds. This is what should be stated. When he went to WCW in 1994 his billed stats were 6'7" and 275 pounds. I am one of the biggest Hogan fans and even appeared on his show on VH1, I think it is rediculous that I cannot edit this false information that some of you clowns put. His billed height was never and will never be 6'4". It was 6'8" most of his career and is currently 6'7", just look at his WWE Hall Of Fame Bio on WWE.COM. In more recent WWE matches he is billed at 285 pounds. You are a bunch of clowns. By the way, now Hogan is AT LEAST 6'5", I met him and have pics with him. Because of hip replacements, knee replacements, the way he stands (his knees are always bent) he does not appear 6'7". Someone edit this.

Jo-Jo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yellowstang2004 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

If you cite the information when you put it in the article, there's no problem at all. But personal attacks are not a good idea. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The 6'4" height is also uncited, so why should it get priority? I can understand Jo-Jo's frustration since the 6'7"-6'8" 300 lb figure is common knowledge to any fan of WWF wrestling in the 80s and early 90s, so this is a really obvious error. If you want a citation, how about the commercially available tapes of Wrestlemania III, IV, V, VI, SummerSlam 89, 90, just for starters? Not all valid sources need to be online. JoeFink (talk) 17:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

This height and weight stuff is ridiculous - it's BILLED height and weight. It's been 303 for most the 80's and early 90s and 6 foot 8. Now it's 6 foot seven and 285 pounds. It's BILLED, not actual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadhart (talk • contribs) 23:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course, it'd be ideal if the 6'4" stat had a source to it. I don't think it's going to happen though unless somebody manages to get a peek at his drivers license or at his medical records from his last physical. On one episide of Hogan Knows Best, while he's interviewing potential bodyguards for Brooke, he does say that he's about 6'5" and weighs 285 lbs. The 6'4" stat, more than anything else I think, comes from just comparing his height with other people both as wrestlers and on the Hogan Knows Best reality show. The WWE and WCW stats shouldn't be used because they're just plain not accurate. WCW listed Hogan at 6'7" but Dennis Rodman is 6'8". Anybody that's ever seen the two together can clearly see that Rodman has more than a 1 inch height advantage over Hogan. That automatically knocks the 6'8" stat out because he's just not as tall as Dennis Rodman is. It's just an exaggeration to make him seem even more physically formidable. Same thing's been done to Kane, The Undertaker, and Andre the Giant. At WM III, Gorilla Monsoon said Andre was 7'5" and that's one giant pant load of an exaggeration. Hogan's recent appearance on the Raw 15th Anniversary show is another good indicator of his true height, at least judging by comparisson with another person. The Great Khali is legitimately about 7'3" and the bottom of his chin was about even with the top of Hulk Hogan's head, which would put Hogan about 6'4". Odin's Beard (talk) 02:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Inconsistency in the Article

Under the Section "Birth of Hulkamania (1983-1985)" The article states "On January 3, 1984, Hogan appeared at a television taping, saving Bob Backlund from a three way assault. Hogan's turn was explained simply by Backlund: 'He's changed his ways. He's a great man. He's told me he's not gonna have Blassie around'." This indicates that Hogan was a heel in the WWF and needed to turn. Nowhere in the article is it indicated that Hogan was a heel in the WWF before this though. Further it references Balssie without explaining who Blassie is. --CooliLowe (talk) 20:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Place of birth

Hulk Hogan was born in Augusta, Georgia, not atlanta. This is clearly stated in his book. Lee 1:27, 08 January 2008 (UTC)

HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN won the IWGP World title in 1983

In the title history page HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is listed as having one the IWGP tournamet on 6/2/83, which is true. But by doing so he was also awarded declaired the first IWGP World champion. When watching the match you can clearly see the officials strap the IWGP World title belt around his waist. The same belt that was used through at least 1993. He hald the title for a little over a year before dropping it to Antonio Inoki on 6/14/84.

Inoki got the shot at HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN after winning the 1984 tournament. He still had to defeat HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN to win the title.

So HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN did hold the IWGP World title from 6/2/83 to 6/14/84 and should be recognized for it.

The Boss 1-17-08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBoss1022 (talk • contribs) 22:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The IWGP World Heavyweight Championship wasn't created until 1987. The IWGP tournament in and of itself was just that, a tournament. The winner of the 1987 tournament, Antonio Inoki, was declared IWGP World Champion. This is backed up here: http://www.wrestling-titles.com/japan/newjapan/iwgp-h.html and in the book "Wrestling Title Histories" Revised 4th Edition written by Royal Duncan and Gary Will. Both the site and the book are extremely reliable and have been used as referenced in numerous Wikipedia articles. Hogan won the first IWGP tournament, but he didn't win the IWGP World Championship.Odin's Beard (talk) 00:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)