Talk:Shia LaBeouf

BAFTA

Has recently won a BAFTA (BAFTA Rising Star Award 2008). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.193.3 (talk) 21:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Disturbia Critical Popularity

Rottentomatoes.com informs us that only 68% of critics liked Disturbia, which is on the one hand a clear majority, but on the other hand an indication that one out of three of critics did not agree

[Tomatoes]

Edits Regarding Shia's Love Life/Girlfriends

Wikipedia is not a tabloid, nor is it a place for you to imagine you are dating Shia LaBeouf and edit the page accordingly! We get it, he's cute and popular right now, but it's frustrating to try and maintain articles when we spend half our time removing stupid and unrealiable edits about all of these "girlfriends". Until there is a published article where Shia himself makes note of a plausable girlfriend, including a name, please refrain from adding this kind of content to the article. Thankyou and happy editing! --Rosario 14:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Tall Tales

Does anyone else get the very real feeling that at least some of his background is fabricated? It all seems very contrived. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.34.141 (talk • contribs) 10:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

It's cited in several relatively reliable sources. Dreamyshade 04:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly his point ^^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.46.213.4 (talk • contribs) 15:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. I get the feeling that something is up with his background info. Like it's a nice press release of something. Generalhoneypot 22:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Great Article

Much of this article is clearly not directly lifted from IMDB (and not referenced). The man seems to have tons of fans, so maybe someone can put some applause into this artical... Jake b 00:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

GA pass

Wowsa, LaBeouf is really ready for his close-up with this excellent article. Alientraveller 12:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Just some advice: always remember that when continuing to improve the article, add fair use rationales to images, and please swap the free images. In fact, I'll do that. Alientraveller 12:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Wait, is Shia's favorite pastime really 'pooping' as mentioned in the article? I'd like to see a reference on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.102.138.220 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Isn't it everyone's favorite pastime? I mean, really. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.47.15.38 (talk) 22:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation of name

I think it may help if someone adds the correct pronunciation of his name to the page. On Saturday Night Live, it was pronounced "SHY-uh luh-BUFF" --Pixelface 17:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

And last but not least his wonderful girlfriend, Alicia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.121.53 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this pronunciation, but "LaBeouf" isn't French for anything. "Le boeuf" (or, more accurately, "le bœuf") is French for "the beef" or "the ox". The subject's last name differs in gender and in spelling. Mbracy 15:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this. I added the detail, but it was undid with a note stating: "unsourced content". This is insulting. Go check a dictionnary. Saying that "LaBeouf" is french for "The beef" is misinformation and because Shia said it that way isn't the facts. I think the way I explained this doesn't remove Shia's statement, and better informs the readers. Facts are the basic of Wikipedia. It is a fact that Shia stated about is surname. But the correction is also a fact.--Smumdax 03:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

You would need a reliable source that makes this statement directly involving Shia LaBeouf in order to add it to the LaBeouf article. Please see WP:V - "Articles should only contain material that has been published by reliable sources" - "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth", and WP:NOR - "the only way to demonstrate that you are not presenting original research is to cite reliable sources that provide information directly related to the topic of the article, and to adhere to what those sources say". So, a source would be needed that presents what you are adding in relation directly to the topic of the article (Shia LaBeouf himself), not to the word "LaBeouf" or its variations. Tell-Tale Ghost 04:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

This is really bull! What is a reliable source for you? Is an online dictionnary like Webster a reliable source? This is very bureaucratic dumbness. If Shia LaBeouf said in an interview that pink elephants are roaming his backyard, then you would accept pink elephants as facts and veto everyone who said that pink elephants do not exist? For inclusion in WP, we need verifiablity, not truth?????? WTH is this crass? The translation for "the beef" in french is spelled "le boeuf" and is VERY verifiable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smumdax (talk • contribs) 02:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I know you're probably getting frustrated about all this, but please remember to sign your posts and please do not be rude to your fellow editors. Being uncivil will not solve anything. And please do not post in any language other than English, so that your fellow editors can understand what you're saying. -- SilentAria ^talk 02:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Let me get this straight: if Shia LaBeouf himself came forward and said that his surname is a variation of the real french spelling of "the beef", then it would be ok to put that in the article? Traduisez ça: je trouve votre intervention comme étant un parfait blocage d'entêté et WP n'a nullement besoin d'un radet comme vous pour offrir du contenu à la hauteur. Vous nuisez littéralement à l'intérêt de la communauté en vous cachant derrière des jargons d'admin et des conneries de gestionnaire.--Smumdax 02:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Please see WP:V - "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth". A dictionary wouldn't be a source you could use here unless it explicitly mentioned Shia LaBeouf; the sources used have to mention the topic of the article. Tell-Tale Ghost 04:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You must be kidding me right? To SilentAria: I can't help but grow frustrated, because first, I'm being told that Wikipedia isn't about facts, which I find very untrue. And second, I just don't understand why at this time of writing, the passage about his surname had been deleted and no one even noticed it. So what I am to understand here, is that added details to make the article more precise are NOT welcome, but erasing that original info IS... You think I'm being rude? Maybe. But at least I'm making some sense around here, and I'm surely not the only one being frustrated about this. The only difference is that I'm vocal about it because I'm trying to take WP seriously and contribute.

On a quick side note, the first part of my last comment wasn't signed because of a : missing. Big deal. And another side note, try harder and go babelfishing. And now that I've steamed off a bit... reference lovers might wanna check the article again and tell me I'm wrong this time. BTW, I don't know how to do the ref thing, so anyone please be my guest.--Smumdax 05:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the reference. Tell-Tale Ghost 05:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Origin of the name: please refer to geneanet French onomastics section source http://www.geneanet.org/onomastique/index.php3?nom=leboeuf&lang=fr&x=0&y=0

'Leboeuf: Surnom probable pour celui qui est fort ou corpulent comme un boeuf, le nom est fréquent dans de nombreuses régions, mais c'est en Vendée qu'il est le plus répandu' which I translate:

Nickname probably given to one who is strong or massive as an ox; the name is frequent in many [French] regions, but it is in Vendée in which it is the most common. Disdero 13:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

stop removing the information

LaBeouf again appeared on The Tonight Show With Jay Leno on June 13, 2007. He enjoyed a flask of whiskey with former NFL quarterback Terry Bradshaw in celebration of LeBeouf's 21st birthday. However, LaBeouf claimed his birthday was "today" (June 13). This has caused editing conflicts throughout various websites and databases. Ok...stop...it's useful information k — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.182.106.197 (talk • contribs) 09:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Didn't he say that he went out celebrating the day before because it was his birthday that day? That would make his birthday the 11th, making the Wikipedia article correct. Mad Jack 05:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

: Yea, his birthday is June 11th. So that information is... uhh, wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.177.97 (talk • contribs) 14:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Was the Jay Leno episode broadcast live, or was it filmed on the 11th? JayKeaton 10:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Citation for use

• Rebecca Winters Keegan (2007-07-03). "The Kid Gets the Picture". Time. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Alientraveller 17:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Indiana Jones IV

The Indiana Jones 4 article makes no mention of LeBeouf's role in the film, much less any mention of him as Indy's son. I'm removing this info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.60.251 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Hard to read

The childhood section is impossible to read. Besides the massive number of clauses in each sentence, every other word is separated by a footnote. Someone needs to rewrite that section. Sheep81 08:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I think clauses are usually supposed to be more or less at the end of a sentence (after the dot), making it easier to read. I'll try and fix that up now. Tell-Tale Ghost 08:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Why is there so much wrong information.

Someone put in that he is engaged to a beautiful girl named Paige and they are gonna have lots of children. Does anyone know how to take that crap off.

Yeah.. It's frustrating! Everytime I visit this page there is either something about a new girlfriend or some kind of vandal! Everytime I look at the history tab there is user after user trying to revert the article from someone's vandal or personal life edit... How many so-called girlfriends can one guy have!? Anyway, I added my thoughts to this discussion page and placed it up top because I figured it's the issue mostly addressed. It amazes me how everyday people are adding their name to his personal life section claiming to be his "girlfriend" - of course it's going to be deleted! What a waste of time. --Rosario 15:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

POV?

"Disturbia was the most important film to LaBeouf of his three 2007 films, because it was a "character-driven" role.[15]" This could be argued against. Transformers made a load of money, and he was in a starring roll in it... I don't know, this just seems to be too arguable.J'onn J'onzz 00:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not POV because it's referencing something Shia said. Read the cited article. " 'Disturbia' is the most important one for me personally, selfishly," LaBeouf says. "Because this is really a performance movie. People are going to see 'Transformers' regardless of my involvement; people want to see Optimus Prime. 'Surf's Up' is driven by a whole different type of animal, literally. 'Disturbia' is character-driven, very different." As written in the article, it simply rephrases that slightly, saying it was the most important to him. Toroca (talk) 02:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

He was in the starring role of Disturbia too, and the director of Transformers said he did not choose Shia until he saw him in Disturbia a couple of months after its release on dvd JayKeaton 03:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

MISC

• Why has he adopted the obvious mispelled name LaBeouf ? In French it is LeBoeuf (ox, think of beef). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.164.34.52 (talk • contribs) 12:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
• Stop undoing my change.. It is incorrect to state tha LaBeouf is French for the beef.. there is no such word as "beouf" in french: It's "boeuf" and is a masculine word, so the correct wording would be "LeBoeuf", hence my change to "is derived from" FireWire 22:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Please read WP:NOR and WP:V. This article can only state what reliable sources have said on Shia LaBeouf himself. Tying this in to "LeBeouf" without a source is original research. Tell-Tale Ghost 23:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• Threatning on him? What the f--k does that mean? 06:43, 28 May 2006 69.3.160.97
• Should his surname be LeBoeuf? (French for "the ox".) Anthony Appleyard 05:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
• How on earth can those MySpace pages be verified? I highly doubt their authenticity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelCarl (talk • contribs) 10:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• I have a friend, who is friends with Shia. This is indeed his myspace. [1], and my friend's from Stockton, and is neighbors with Shia. That's not really proof, but you could probably ask Shia yourself. --andrew 20:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• LeBoeuf does not mean "the ox" in French. It means "the beef."Pointeprincess 20:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
• Actually, the word has both meanings in French. Check your French-English dictionary, ask any French speaker. It is true that Shia likes to joke that his whole name means "Thank God for the Beef" - but it can also be translated (perhaps more accurately) as "A Gift from the Lord: The Ox." Erudil 15:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
• I suppose being that his dad's a cajun.. well 'cajun' comes from 'accadian', so you can imagine what they'd do with words like boeuf with a combined-o-e-and-then-u vowel cluster. No offense to the creole folk, they just tend to mess up words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk • contribs) 06:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Rihanna & Shia

There is more than two sources confirming thier relationship, removing vaild and sourced information goes agaist Wikipeda, you can not say 'I don't like it', and remove it.--Sugarcubez 14:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not a matter of whether I like the sources or not; I'm merely abiding by Wikipedia guidelines. The two sources are not reliable enough, as per WP:RS, WP:VERIFY, and WP:BLP. The number of sources doesn't matter, what matters is the reliability of these sources and the verifiability of this information. Gossip sites/blogs and other such sources that do not have official statements from the people involved do not count as reliable sources. These sources do not even specify who it was that said that the couple was "official" (apart from Perez Hilton, who is known as a gossip blogger), so there is no way to verify this statement. --SilentAria ^talk 14:49, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh my you need to read it, and removing valid sourced info. Look at the sources again, there is even of pic of them together. You can't delete just because you don't like it--Sugarcubez 20:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Again, I am not arguing from a personal standpoint of not liking what you're saying; I'm merely abiding by the guidelines I linked to. Did you even read the links I posted? Additionally, If you take a look at the picture in the link you posted, it's two separate pictures of them that have been edited to make it look like they're in one photo. Please be mindful of the reliability of your sources. --SilentAria ^talk 00:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Silentaria. If your best source is from blogs, fan boards, or gossip column then it is not valid and the information should be removed. Personally, I am against putting information regarding a person's personal life. LaBeouf is famous for his movies, and who he dates or not should not be reported on. Fighting for Justice 03:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Image

There is a now a free image available on commons: Image:Shia LaBeouf.jpg, but it needs a crop to be useful as perhaps the top image on the page. Deadstar 16:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

His arrest --> Possible 'controversy' section?

Should his arrest (as already outlined in the main article body) be placed under it's own heading, placed instead under a 'controversy' section as to promote good article structure should any other events occur, or should the information be placed in personal life? One minor arrest surely doesn't warrant an entire section? — --Rosario 07:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Shia and Eliska Amor

It's already been and gone that he said he "fancies" her.

However, some websites claim they are physically dating too, some connecting her to that Walgreens incident with a police officer documenting her arriving to 'pick him up and drive him back to his hotel room', however the dating is only alleged at this time. I didn't actually think Eliska Amor was from Chicago (figured her hometown New York would be her stomping grounds?) although a second gossip story claims both actors were in Chicago professionally, working on script rehearsals for Eagle Eye. If they are dating it's a prominent piece of information - Should the speculation be added to Wikipedia? Or should users wait until it has been confirmed by them personally instead of relying on websites? --MissLollywood 07:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Definitely wait until a highly reliable source publishes the story with pictures and confirmation from either party. Adding speculative information will just make a mockery of the otherwise reliable information in the article, not to mention on the site as a whole. Plus, speculative information should never be added as it's easily related to gossip... Wikipedia is not a tabloid. Interesting though, regarding the Walgreen's thing. I guess we should just watch for a story, until then, leave it alone. – --Rosario 07:17, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

shia is no longer a smoker after seeing keona reeves smokings. he says it looks nonhuman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.4.78.20 (talk) 18:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I definitely don't feel like signing in with my name issues but I thought I'd drop by to say that Shia is a huge can of Cage and it's not mentioned in the article. Seeing as how he's doing or trying to do a movie about the guy I think it deserves a mention. I think there's an article in the latest issue of Spin. I'll have to check and MAYBE get back to you. I was able to find this older article to use as a reference http://www.complex.com/CELEBRITIES/Complex-Men/The_Method_Man_Shia_Labeouf 74.224.169.240 (talk) 23:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

GA Sweeps (on hold)

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.

1. The lead needs to conform to WP:LEAD. It must adequately summarize all the major points/headings made in the body of the article (currently there's little if anything on the follow sections: "Early life and family," "Education," "Comedian" and "Personal life") and it must not introduce information not contained in the body of the article (I don't see the fact that "Several media publications have speculated that LaBeouf, whose screen persona was described by Time magazine as that of the "scrappy kid next door", might become a major film star throughout 2008." mentioned in the body of the article).
2. I'm a bit confused why Image:ShiaLeBeoufByPhilKonstantin.jpg has a public domain tag, but the caption has a "Detroit News" credit on it. In any case, the caption needs to be cut down, as the photo has been cropped and doesn't describe the picture accurately (Michael Bay is not in the photo, for example)

   Now there's no caption at all, which is no good

3. Image:20070406 051844 040807 shia.jpg has no acceptable fair use rationale whatsoever.
4. All direct quotes must be directly cited, even if it's the same citation used at the end of the sentence/paragraph.
5. "His parents eventually divorced, and he had what he has described as a "good childhood", growing up poor with his mother (who worked selling fabrics and brooches) in Echo Park, Los Angeles, California." (Early life) Requires a citation for both the direct quote and the whole statement itself.

If these concerns are addressed, I will return to check the references.

I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. Cheers, CP 19:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Since new concerns have been discovered and old ones were addressed, I will allow for a little more time to address the issues. Cheers, CP 23:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Over-referenced

Do we really need four and sometimes five references for mundane details? Is someone trying to show off? Booharv (talk) 05:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Err, when it comes to bigraphies of living persons (or, to be blatently honest, any article), you really cannot over-reference... _TalkIslander 10:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)