Talk:Randy Orton

Update the page

Either update the page or get rid of it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 23:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

What the hell? No future events! Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

There Royal Rumble there No Way Out their WM24 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 01:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Royal Rumble and No Way Out are non-notable feuds, and WrestleMania is a future event. Thus, there is nothing to be added. --Cheers, LAX 01:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

So their still apart of his wrestling life mean for Godsake what the big deal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 01:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

We go by WP:PW consensus, not by what you want. --Cheers, LAX 01:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, and have good faith. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 03:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

If the bios of wrestlers listed every feud they'd ever had, article's lengths would become unmanageable. Thus, only notable feuds are added. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 04:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. Let's say that Orton loses the title at WM, then yeah it would be added. Am I right so far? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 04:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No because WM wouldn't be a notable feuds consider it got the same build up as the jeff hardy and Cena match Supermike(talk) 7:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd would see Orton lose the WWE title. Something that has been added to other articles. Zenlax ^{T C S} 14:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect, how's that relevant to Mike's statement above? WP ain't a wrestling news site you know. The Game - Hhh210 (talk) 16:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

If you weren't to note that he lost the title, it would read as if he never lost it. –Cheers, LAX 00:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Randy orton did injure himself from being suplexed/dropped on his upper neck/head. Since you (whoever edited it) didn't bother to say something in this talk page, then it must be allowed. This page allowed the mentioning of john cena returning from his injury. majinsnake

7 may 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Majinsnake (talk • contribs) 19:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Is there a source provided? Zenlax ^{T C S} 19:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

It was like watching when StoneCold Steve Austin got a bad piledriver and him trying to stand barely. Heres the link http://www.pwheadlines.com/wrestling-news/randy_orton_injured_on_raw_new_wwe_talent_lots_more.shtml. majinsnake —Preceding comment was added at 09:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but that is not a reliable source. –LAX 09:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

than try this site, http://www.randy-orton.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1208231060&archive=&start_from=&ucat=4& http://www.wrestling-edge.com/wwenews.php?subaction=showfull&id=1208266974&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1 You will probably say that these aren't good sites either. It speaks of him holding his neck after the match and the fact that he gave his signature move to William Regal out of nowhere. It was out of nowhere since he was hurt and they were ending the match quickly. Orton was probably already set to win the match, but had to cut it short. Stating he seemed in character, more then likely whoever wrote that wasnt paying much attention. You really had to watch closely on tv to know. Scroll down to orton vs regal match on 2nd site. [[majinsnake|majinsnake] 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It seems that maybe he got tired out during the match. But nowhere does it state he's legitimately injured. Zenlax ^{T C S} 20:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Picture

Don't you think the champion picture should be up their instead of the current one? He is currently champion. NimiTize 00:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope, we already had a discussion about this. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

This is not good

Whats wrong with you people? if I wanted more infomation about Randy Orton in 2007/8 i would go to a middle aged whale! Its wrong. ITS WROOOOONG! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.241.62.188 (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

read the above section called "Update the page". ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 01:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

2008

Is the 2008 section worthy of being there yet? There is one sentence after it had been fixed, and with no sources added, it doesn't really add much to the article. --Blazzeee (talk) 01:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

No, I think so. Looking back up the page the consensus seems to be that his victory over Hardy isn't notable anyway, so I'm going to remove it. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 02:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Let's say that if he loses the title at WrestleMania, we can add something with Orton having successful title defenses against Chris Jericho and Jeff Hardy. Again, I'm just assuming. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 03:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Pre-GA review

I'm a bit behind on these reviews, but I'm trying to get through them anyway. I'll do a section or two at a time, as I'm fairly busy these days. Overall, the article seems good and is well-referenced. A few things that stand out:

1. Reference 111 doesn't work.

   Removed since no url was provided. –LAX 10:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

2. In the "Wrestling training" section, references for his trainers would help. Currently, only one has a reference (Danny Davis, although it is not clear which of many Danny Davises this is), and the reference is from blogger.com, which doesn't seem like a reliable source.

   --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

3. In the second paragraph of the "2004-2005" section, is a reference available for Orton gaining heat?

   Nope, the info. has been removed. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

4. In the third paragraph of that section, a reference is needed for Graham's quotation.

   --GaryColemanFan (talk) 23:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

5. Later in that paragraph, "whimper" could be seen as point of view.

   --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

6. Later in that paragraph, it isn't clear who "his father" refers to. Saying "Bob Orton, Jr." might help.

   --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

7. In the next paragraph, "ceremonious" seems like an odd choice of words.

   --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

8. Later in that paragraph, "his father" is used again in a sentence that discusses both Orton and The Undertaker.

   Do you want it to say "Cowboy Bob Orton"? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

9. Later in that paragraph, "classic" seems like point of view, but it might mean something that I'm missing. "Annual", perhaps?

   --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

10. Later in that paragraph, "sole survivor" might be unclear for some readers.

    I think I got it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

11. Later in that paragraph, there is a bizarre sentence: "The event also marked the return of the Undertaker, whom had been absent because of a storyline where Orton had killed him on an episode of SmackDown!." It acknowledges that this is a storyline, but non-wrestling fans might be very confused. Did the storyline also see The Undertaker come back to life, or was he not really dead, or did he just return while dead?

    Again, I think I got it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

12. In the second paragraph of the "2006-2007" section, the reference for Orton spending four weeks in anger management classes does not mention anger management classes.

    --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

13. In the third paragraph of that section, "Following the sabotage of Edge's title opportunities by the newly-reformed D-Generation X" seems like a strange sentence. This is the first mention of Edge, so we know nothing about what this "sabotage" is. "Sabotage" could also be considered point of view, although it might work if there was an explanation of what happened.

    I think I covered it. –LAX 10:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

14. Later in that paragraph, "the dominant tag team" is unclear and point of view.

    –LAX 10:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

15. Later in that paragraph, why was Orton reluctant to team with Edge?

    Simply removed "reluctant." –LAX 10:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

16. In the following paragraph, were Michaels' injuries at Judgment Day legitimate?

    I think I got it. –LAX 00:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

17. In the fifth paragraph of the "2006-2007" section, it says, "enacted his rematch clause". What rematch clause?

    –LAX 00:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

18. Are sources available for the first few sentences in the "2008" subsection?

    –LAX 00:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

19. The first sentence of the "Controversy" section is long and should probably be split up.
20. Also in the "Controversy" section, is a source available for Jindrak defending Orton?

    Couldn't find one. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

21. In the personal life section, "his upper back finishing his shoulders" sounds awkward. I'm not really sure what is being said.

    I think I got it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

22. Also in that section, "the brig" sounds colloquial. Could it be replaced with "military prison" or something (I'm not sure what the proper term is)?

    --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

23. There appears to be a formatting problem with reference 82. Nikki311 23:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

That's all that I can find. One thing that I would recommend is waiting a little while longer before nominating it because of the post-WrestleMania additions that people are making. I hope this helps, GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I see my suggestion has not only been ignored, but the article was nominated before these issues were addressed. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The article hasn't been nominated. It's on the waiting list, but hasn't been nominated. Nikki311 00:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

It was nominated, but it has been removed. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:26, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Sigh. Hopefully nobody will renominate until GCF's comments are addressed. Nikki311 00:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that the week was up and I saw the pre-GA review and I removed the nomination. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Everything seems to be resolved now. The IP edits don't seem to be as big a problem as I thought they would be. I think the article is ready to be nominated. GaryColemanFan (talk) 23:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Can I nominate it now? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Every comment was addressed and GCF seems to agree. I say go ahead. Nikki311 23:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright, cause I don't want to give Nikki a heart attack, from what happened with the Triple H situation. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

please update end 2008

in the aretical, there is no history between him and chris jericho. can someone can aad that? 41.243.0.77 (talk) 13:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

That feud didn't add anything to his career, so its not in the article. Not every feud that he has can be noted, or the article would be way too long and just unmanageable. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 16:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I think his feud with Jericho should be added because it added more "flair" to his "Legend Killer" gimmick. (Gregsalazar818 (talk) 07:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC))

But the feud was cut short. Zenlax ^{T C S} 19:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but Chris Jericho isn't really a legend. I mean, come on. The guy might have defeated Stone Cold and Duane Johnson in the same night, and it is a great feat. The fact that WWE lacks in the talent pool is proof of the fact that they have to bring back a washed up guy like Jericho back. He never really did much and being the first Undisputed Champion is his only claim to fame. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Jericho, but he needs more credibility. But, then again, WWE has inducted some other questionable honors into the Hall of Fame (this is my opinion). All in all, Orton's feud with Jericho isn't really notable. It was for a few weeks and he beat the guy and he shut his trap afterwards. The Orton/Cena feud has more credibility of being noted, as Orton has Cena's belt (I call it that not because Cena was stripped of the belt (even though it was about damn time someone else held the title), but because the belt is stupid. I mean, come on, a "spinner" belt? That's a bunch of bunk! They should've changed the belt design by now...sorry, I'm getting into my personal opinion.) Well, there's my thoughts on that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.179.34 (talk) 06:43, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed this, I haven't signed my posts. I can't remember my old user ID, nor my password, so I'll have to create a new one. Just to address that issue for those of you who get butt hurt because one doesn't sign their post.  ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.179.34 (talk) 06:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes i can see your viewpoint. Yet Even mentioning It should be important because at the time, Orotn had nobody to beat, as Orton proclaimed. So it should get some mention Gregsalazar818 (talk) 04:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, its noted that he won the championship at No Mercy, only to lose it, but win it one more time. The other feuds are only known as "title defenses", therefore not adding notability to the article, as the feuds were very short. But, his loss last night, adds the fact that he's no longer champion. Zenlax ^{T C S} 19:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

WrestleMania XXIV victory

I discussed this on the WrestleMania page, but should it be noted that, other than Triple H, Orton is the only other heel to walk out of the title match at WrestleMania with the WWE Championship? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.179.34 (talk) 18:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

That information is mostly considered Trivia and its not allowed on articles; see WP:Trivia. Zenlax ^{T C S} 18:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

It's a grey area because besides Orton and HHH wouldn't you also have to consider Yokozuna? Yokozuna defeated Bret Hart at Wrestlemania IX to win the WWE championship, Even though Hulk Hogan closed the show as champ it would still be a heel Championship win at Wrestlemania. Also, you may need to include Stonecold Steve Austin. Steve Austin was a heel when he won the WWE championship at Wrestlemania 17 to close the show, as his heel turn actually occurred during the match. So it's really not anything historical or notable.

I see your point. But, as you said, Yoko did NOT walk out with the title (guess I should've said the event instead of match) in his hand, and, Stone Cold, at that point, was gaining momentum as a face. The Submission Match featuring Stone Cold and Bret Hart was, actually, the turning point for Stone Cold's face turn, not the match with Shawn Michaels. I do see your point, though, for not looking at it as notable, but if you look at it, Triple H and Randy Orton are the only two to walk out of WrestleMania with World gold.

I would like to add that his tattoo information would also qualify as trivia. There are a whole bunch of random bits of information on wikipedia that are trivia, but aren't, but this is my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.179.34 (talk) 06:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I would still count Steve Austin defeating The Rock at wrestlemania 17 as a heel ending the show as champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.145.220.220 (talk) 19:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but when you consider the fans cheering Stone Cold on as he beat The Rock to a pulp with a steel chair, he was more along the lines of a tweener if anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.179.34 (talk) 20:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm curious as to how this conversation is helping or discussing the article at hand, i.e. Randy Orton. Besides it was earlier noted by Zenlax, that even if Orton was the first heel to retain a world championship at WrestleMania, it wouldn't be noted because it's trivia. Also, wikipedia is not a forum, if you wish to continue this conversation, perhaps take it to a real forum? Thanks, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 22:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I have to ask why trivia isn't allowed on this article. I find no reason there can not be a trivia section. who makes that call? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.145.220.220 (talk) 17:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Please read WP:Trivia. Zenlax ^{T C S} 18:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok then, I'm going to go remove the info on his tattoos. How does it add to the page? Thats trivia, so therfore, not allowed. Killswitch Engage (talk) 03:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

If deleting that sort of information, why not remove the fact that John Cena is a Boston Red Sox fan. The topic was the notability of Orton being the second heel to walk out of WrestleMania as champion, therefore not noted and not reliable. Zenlax ^{T C S} 19:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry for trying to improve this page an take out trivia, which according to that policy, is not permitted. Won't happen again, I'll just leave vandalism next time I see it.Killswitch Engage (talk) 20:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

House show pic?

What's the point of that pic? It does nothing for the article. The pictures of him with titles are relevant as are him preforming the RKO and posing. Would anyone object moving the house show pic to the infobox and deleting the current infobox pic? The current infobox pic is quite dark. The house show pic has better lighting. I really see no reason to have it in the article otherwise and the infobox pic is sort of bad IMO. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 19:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree; the house show pic should be in the infobox. –LAX 19:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Not to sound "gay" in any sort of way, but the current image does show Orton the best, as oppose to the house show image. Again, I don't want my comments to be taken out of context. Zenlax ^{T C S} 20:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd say Orton looks more muscular in the house show pic... Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

He does look different in the house show image. Zenlax ^{T C S} 20:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Again with this? Just leave the image alone. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The song is actually called "They Talk To Me" and was written and performed by the WWE's own Jim Johnston. It's in-house, so you won't find much info about it anywhere. The GothKat Gothkat (talk) 16:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

New Theme?

Haven't seen the whole show, but watching the Cena/Orton match on WWE.com, after he got the pin, the song that played wasn't Burn in my Light, if anyone knows it, should it be added, or given a chance to see if it is used again? ---Вlazzeee 06:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

it should be added even if played for one night its Killswitch Engage - Fixation on the Darkness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.62.217 (talk) 10:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

No, it's The Ripper by Chinchilla. --Gtadood (talk) 13:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed the same debate is taking place across other websites, such as Yahoo Answers, where I attempted to find what it was, however, it seems as though there hasn't been a general consensus yet. However, I agree that I don't think it was Fixation on the Darkness, it's already being used by CM Punk, and it didn't sound like it; I don't think it should be added until it is certain. ---Вlazzeee 15:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Apologies for the previous comment, it wasn't being used for Punk as I've just realised, the latter can be discarded. It has also been added as Fixation on the Darkness now, I should have looked at the page first. ---Вlazzeee 15:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Its Neither You Idiots Its A New Song No One Knows Yet I Have Heard Both And They Are Not His New Song--RKOFAN4LIFE

No personal attacks please. However, I do agree that an agreement needs to be made, and this is why at the start I said that it should wait until it is certain. ---Вlazzeee 17:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

We should definately remove the fixation on the darkness note until we know what the theme music, because it certainly is not that song. I can see why people thought it was The Ripper, but its not. I think its possible the song is completely new, so we should remove the note until we are given a good, citable source.--76.104.252.229 (talk) 17:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Forgot to log in.--ProtoWolf (talk) 17:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

We shouldn't add anything until we recieve confirmation of the title. And CM Punk isn't using Fixation, he's using This Fire (This Fire Burns) by Killswitch Engage.Killswitch Engage (talk) 18:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

If that was directed at me, about Punk I realised my mistake shortly after and corrected it :). Glad that there is an agreement though, I brought it up as I anticipated wrong information being added, or a possible edit war for no reason. -Вlazzeee 18:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh ya, no prob, just thought I would point it out. I havn't heard the song yet, I'm hoping when I get a chance, I may be able to identify it. Killswitch Engage (talk) 18:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I vote we don't add it until we get the name of the song and the band who did it. Steveweiser (talk) 18:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)