Talk:NOFX

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Template:FAOL 24.247.255.138 23:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC) They're not ska. Period.

"Franco Un-American" - I think NOFX probably did make the video independently, because the only place you could see it was on the War on Errorism CD. However, Scuzz, the British rock channel managed to get hold of the video and they started playing it. I doubt NOFX would make videos to release to mainstream channels. As far as I know, they've only made videos to Bob, stickin in my eye and franco-unamerican. I only saw the first two on p-rock tv when it was still around.

• There is definitely also a video for "Leave It Alone". MTV Europe / UK used to play it quite a lot, and I was under the impression that this was one of the motivations for the band to quit making music videos.

Gram 16:34, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

• There's also videos for S/M Airlines and Shut Up Already on the DVD 10 Years of Fucking Up, but not sure if it's also played online or on TV.

• Im pretty sure that '180 Degrees' has a video as well. Im sure i saw it on RAGE in Australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.104.1.23 (talk) 07:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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7" of the month club --Zegoma beach 13:32, 29 July 2005 (UTC) The 7" of the month club albums sould be added to the albums section. 7" of the month club

"Their version of the name has been attributed to the phrase "No Fucking Straight Edge" but the band insists that there is no actual meaning. Contents " This is not NPOV language, makes it out that the band is covering up an actual meaning...Wamatt 11:10, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• -It probably wasn't the original meaning, but NOFX might've claimed "No Fucking Straight (X) Edge" as the meaning of the band name, and then took it back. You know, they're a bunch of funny self distanced dudes.
  Speaking of "straight edge", read the article on Negative FX.///soja

I saw a video for "Franco Unamerican" from "The War On Errorism"...maybe that was independently made? Or is NOFX making music videos (contrary to the article)? --cprompt 04:20, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I suppose technically the "Franco Un-American" video (which appears on the enhanced CD The War On Errorism) counts as a NOFX video. It is completely animated and most likely independently produced, but would have been approved by the band. --Brian Rogers 9/18/2004

I made links to "year in music" instead of just linking the year, and then later linking "see year in music". It seems more concise to me, and it makes sense to link to the "in music" article, after all, that's what we're talking about. --cprompt 03:15, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I added "vox" after Eric Melvin's name, too, as he also contributes vocals in many songs (eg. I Gotta Pee, Hardcore 84). --Quirk 22:43, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

White Trash, Two Heebs and a Bean was originally to be called White Trash, Two Kikes and a Spic, but Fat Mike's mother disapproved.

In 2004 the members of NOFX started giving interviews to express their displeasure with George W. Bush and to urge people not to vote for him. Elaine M. Brady Oct. 21, 2004

Hmm

Instead of downloading the mp3s and stealing..buy a cd. You'll find out that Franco Unamerican was on their cd as a video they put together.

you may wish to read the official Q&A section on their website. Fat Mike explicitly says he doesnt care if people download his songs, or anyone elses, although he cautions against doing it for local bands just because they have such small distrubution channels they wouldnt be able to make money. AKMask 10:12, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Introduction

The introduction doesn't really read properly :

'NOFX is a California, United States punk band.'

Sure it should say something like:

'NOFX is a Californian punk band'

Do people really need to be told California is in the States? Yes there are other Californias but most are also in the States. Jack 16:40, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

"Their emergence on the political scene has not faded after the election." Should this line be there without any evidence one way or the other?

"Their emergence on the political scene has not faded after the election." This line should be removed as they were always political critics. -slippin

Message-boarding

Wikipedia is not a series of message boards. The text

NOFX enjoys causing controversy in order to popularise their band: inspired by the lack of support MTV shows them, they openly criticised the station (screaming "Fuck MTV!") after the 1996 Bizarre Festival in Cologne, Germany.

Punk?

I noticed that the article says that the band is a punk band, however I think it would be more correctly labeled as pop-punk as it misses the edge that punk is known for. I will change the article to say pop punk, but if anyone disagrees please state why on the discussion page :) alf 01:04, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't care how this turns out, but for those editors who are changing the article to say they are a punk band, please DO NOT link to the article punk, this is a disambiguation page. Please link to punk rock. --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 18:17, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. There is a certain lack of edge in the music, but it is way to political and shock oriented to be pop-punk. Pop-punk generally doesn't approach politics at all, and if they do, it's usually in the booger picking immature "im such a rebel" style of Green Day (who I am a fan of btw, so I wasn't insulting GD, just stating a fact).

NOFX is a joke. They're a parody of punk. Skrelk (talk) 04:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

They are punk and this is my opinion why: main reason why people are fighting over this pop/punk thing is bacause once punk meant something true and passionate and raw. Punk was small and only those that really cared for it stayed with punk - those who wanted to be popular or cool went somewhere else because punk wasnt neither cool or popular But then when record companies needed a new ideas they just took a few shallow traits of punk and made it into pop punk. Some may say it was death for punk but some bands saw that finally thay can do what they love and have loved all these years and make money with it because there were many people who started to open their minds to this type of music. Conclusion: NOFX was and is one of those bands that still care for punk true meanings and calling them pop-punk would be comparing them to bands like Blink 182 or other bands that just sing about irrelevant bullshit and get called somewhat punk because their music is basically somewhat near to some of the great punk bands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naurispunk (talk • contribs) 18:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I dissagree NoFx are like Uber Punk and Amazing Luke12345abcd (talk) 20:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

they are punk

did you ever think why something is called pop, pop stands for popular, this means they have to be on mtv or video hits, becuase they are conciderd a popular band. NOFX arnt popular, they arnt on mtv, thus making them not a pop-punk band,

just becuase they might not be popular doesnt mean there not good, i love that band and refuse to belive they are remotly close to being a pop band.

SO LEAVE IT AS PUNK BAND!!!!

Pop is used as much to describe a style of music as it is to denote whether it is popular or not. Same goes for Pop-Punk or Punk rock or whatever. I still don't think that they are a Punk band, but I have stoppd caring. dr.alf 15:17, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Listen, NOFX is a PUNK band, not pop punk or any of that other rediculous garbage people label music as these days, so get it straight. Don't ever for a second think you can put NOFX under the same categories as Fallout Boy, Yellowcard, The Starting Line and all of that other garbage that people have the nerve to associate with Punk and Punk rock. Those bands may have been influenced by PUNK ROCK bands, but they most certainly are not. So for all of us who actually know NOFX's history and have been supporting them from day one and buying their records and seeing them every time they come to town, don't insult us, the true fans, along with NOFX themselve's by labelling them as a pop punk band. You have some nerve. From A.J.S. the biggest NOFX fan this world has ever seen.

Also they are a fairly popular punk band, and play music that is much more accessable than most punk bands.

Most everyone in the punk scene considers them pop-punk, like Bad Religion. They're much more like the Ramones and Rezillos than Sex Pistols or Crass. Ignoring the facts they were played rather heavily on MTV in the 90s, they have a larger fanbase than most bands anyone would consider punk, and they sung stupid pointless joke songs, they still sound more like an early Blink or Green Day than like a "non-pop" punk band. Genre is defined by music, not popularity (though they'd be pop-punk if it were by popularity anyway).

Plus, isn't "skate punk" these days just pop-hardcore? It's far removed from the skate punk of the 80s.

NOfx is not 'pop punk'

No they're not...they have pop elements, but they are not pop punk.

Made one or two pop-punk songs, are going softy, but I'm backing you up; too much skatepunk history to be pop-punk. Metallica isn't hard rock for making a few hard rock songs. --Mudel 17:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

This group have nothing to do with punk rock music, read the article on punk rock and you'll find that its a movement from the 1970s... mostly happening in New York and London. This band are a Californian pop rock band influenced by Hardcore... they have nothing at all to do with punk rock.

You are so worng I'm not gonna waste my keyboard on you. BTW Wikipedia music articles have so much mistakes you shouldn't trust them too much. --Mudel 17:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, Pop is a form of music, not just a status. - Deathrocker 14:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Duh, they are a pop-punk group. Sorry but its true, I've been in the scene since 1994 and they were one of the main pop-punk bands, also you could call the "punk revival." Also please check up on the pop punk article, it might help you to understand. Xsxex 06:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The article says "Skate Punk/Ska". I'm happy with that, but NOFX are not "Pop Punk". "Pop Punk" should be given to a band whose entire discography matches that discription. Personally, NOFX are Punk Rock/Skate Punk. --Simsimius 15:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Pop punk is definitely one of the styles they play. If hardcore and ska punk are going to be listed as styles they play, then pop punk should be for sure. I admit I'm not a huge fan of the band, but I can't think of any NOFX songs that are in the ska punk style. Punk plus horns doesn't equal ska. Most of the media consider NOFX part of the pop punk genre, as do most punk fans. Any so-called real punk rockers I've known consider NOFX a goofy pop punk band for kids. Music genres are defined by majority opinion, and Wikipedia is not a place for reinventing those definitions. User:Mudel has taken it upon himself to redefine the meaning of pop punk, but that's not what Wikipedia is for.Spylab 22:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)Spylab

As far as their label is relevant to this article (which it is for links and what not) , Nofx is pop punk in the sense that Screeching Weasel or Bad Religion are. The term was originally conceived in the 1980s, defined in opposition to hardcore. However, in the late 1990s and early 2000s, the term took on a completely different meaning, implying punk rock that was intended to be popular in a mainstream sense (eg Yellowcard. Formerly, the term was merely stylistic. Now, though, it is loaded with controversy for fans of "true" punk vs. "cookie cutter" punk, etc. Nofx can hardly be described as "lacking edge" or comparable to bands like Fall Out Boy, if only because their music often more closely resembles metal in its speed and instrumental complexity. Furthermore their lyrics are often profane and loaded with explicit political overtones. Thus, they share more in common with original punks like the Clash than they do with bands currently classified as pop punk, no matter what anyone personally thinks of their music. If anything, I would suggest that hardcore be removed as a description of their potential genres (even though Liberal Animation comes pretty close to that). Skate punk is most accurate. Tractorkingsfan 16:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, I've never heard of anyone describe NOFX as hardcore. When I hear the word hardcore, I think of bands like Sick Of It All, Youth of Today, Slapshot, Agnostic Front, Bad Brains, Blood For Blood, early Hatebreed and stuff like that. NOFX is too silly and humourous to be associated with tough-guy bands like that. Attitude-wise, they seem to be more in line with jokey pop punk bands that don't take themselves too seriously, even though they sometimes delve into serious political topics. Spylab 18:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Two things: First, Don't ever call NOFX metal, Fatty will smite you. Second, saying they sometimes delve into serious political topics is not only incorrect, it's an insult to everything they've done and tried to do politically over the years, from statements on society and religion on the Maximum RocknRoll songs to Liberal Animation, to today, with the War on Errorism and Wolves in Wolves' Clothing, especially with the establishment of punkvoter.com, NOFX is much more politically involved than most bands. GeddyIsGodYYZ 13:40 16 November 2006

sorry guys, but this is also for the offspring. people have been arguing that they're not pop punk either, but finally, sources have been brought that shows that they are. to make the offspring feel better, i remembered how the source that quotes the offspring as pop punk also quotes NOFX as pop punk. so i posted it there. please do not change, since it's sourced.Itachi1452 03:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

• It's sourced, I'll give you that. I don't really think that NOFX followed Green Day's example and was trying to achieve commercial success. In other words I disagree with what is stated on that link. Personally I don't want to participate in the genre war here. I do not understand why people are so determined to associate NOFX with pop. The way I see it is that "punk" would be the genre and "pop" would be the style and that would be clearly open to interpretation. Instead of changing the genre of the band every 15 minutes, why can't people try contribute something to the article that will actually say put. --Idjit 15:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

• the reason you cant decide wheather NOFX is punk or pop punk is because they are in a genre of their own the NOFX genre and i am sure they would agree.

How about "Melodic HC"? 12:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.158.85.250 (talk)

god, this is exactly the same point raised in the blink debate. pop-punk is punk mixed with pop music. it isn't necessarily or independently punk thats popular. the sex pistols are popular. the ramones are popular. in many circles, minor threat and the misfits are popular. but that doesn't make them pop-punk, they're just popular punk rock bands. the mr t experience are a pop-punk band but they're not very popular. that doesnt mean they're not pop-punk. why don't people understand? pop-punk is punk rock mixed with pop, and a band that may or may not be pop-punk might be popular with people but it doesnt matter. so dont say that bands aren't pop-punk because they're not very popular because thats completely irrelevant. if 50 cent is popular with people does that make him "pop rap"? if kylie minogue is popular does that make her "pop pop"? i think that its main genre should be punk rock, and then the infobox should have punk rock, skate punk and hardcore punk. --Gpmuscillo (talk) 21:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree. --Jpkmaster (talk) 22:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

read the whole thing...its kinda novel in a way NOFX Does Have Pop Punk elements but i'd rather put in a Descendent,Ramones&Buzzcocks Kind OF RELATION rather then Blink 182,Green Day sorts...and i think thats the root of the problem ppl just dont want to associate NOFX with the pop punk thats just that (popular punk (blink 182,green day)because there not like those bands there there own so wut im trying to say is :this is my first time doing this,so someone else should create a shitty consumer whore punk genre list,like u get it right kuz this whole things about association?so we all know consumer whore(the name of the genre) exist,we must let it exsit so the punk rock artical could have NOFX,And the shitty consumer whore artical can have green day......only problem i see is the offspring.......were do they go?.....idk i just wrote a whole bunch of bs.....but the point,just little(but major as in were it counts) pop punk influence ,were not calling them blink 182,kuz they aint even close to no blink 182 ... i read the rules after i made this article or respones(im not computer saviy at all)sry about origanal thought thing.......so who the fuck want to make a punk rock wiki with me...were we can curse and like have origanl wutever@!!!!!it would be like hella cool....whos with!--420bonghits (talk) 22:47, 1feb2008 (UTC)

I agree totally punk Luke12345abcd (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Stub?

Umm...how does this still qualify as a stub? It seems to be pretty well filled out to me. Spartacusprime 07:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

um, they certainly derived NOFX from Negative FX

read the q&a at nofx.org, if you look at any of their early album covers you will see that they wrote NOFX as No FX or No-FX. this supports the fact they took the name from negative fx. if they HAD intended it to mean 'no fucking sXe' then it would not have been written as it was. in any case, mike has commented on this so it should be a moot point. i'm going to go ahead and change the article to reflect this. please do your homework, and don't change it back.

here's the quote, copied from the link above:

#2 Most asked Question  	January 5 , 2000

What does NOFX stand for?

NOFX doesn't stand for shit. We just kinda ripped off the name from an old Boston band Negative FX. OK. . .Fat Mike.

Someone changed the information about how NOFX got the name, and that it stands for "No Fucking Straight "sXe" Edgers". Which it doesn't. Changing that unless it's proven correct, officially.

re: music videos

ok in response to the music video talk near the top of this discussion, let me say this. nofx has been asked many times by MTV to let them air their videos. fat mike has repeatedly refused. they even went so far as to threaten mike and say "if you don't give us a video, we won't air No Use for a Name anymore." fat mike still refused. (NUFAN are on mike's label)

people from south america have told me that they occasionally see nofx videos on MTV south america, but they don't have NOFX's permission, they just do it anyways.

videos nofx has produced include:

• Leave It Alone
• S&M Airlines the guy who directed 'THE RING' directed this video.
• Bob
• Franco Un-american (cartoon)
• Stickin' In My Eye
• I Wanna Be an Alcoholic self produced video shot on hi-8 video, 30 second song

i'm not sure if that list is exhaustive.

i've heard of nofx being played on Much Music as well, though I've never actually seen it myself. (don't watch much music)

Yah, I've seen Stickin' In My Eye and Franco Un-American on The Punk Show. Woooh, there's a lot of capitols in that sentence. So yes, they do play some videos on Much Music, but not on the main shows like Much On Demand (or so I know)

There's also a video for Hobophobic (Scared of Bums) but I'm not sure if it's official or not. It should be pretty easy to find on Limewire, etc.

april 21st 2007

i live in canada and our music station (MuchMusic) has aired NOFX videos. they even made a big deal when they first aired "franco un-american". Fat mike has no beef with muchmusic as he even hosted a 30 minute punk show with eric melvin once. it was sometime last year. they picked 30 minutes of videos and talked about each one. JohnEcakes

Soundtrack for The Chase (1994 movie)

• #12 "Please Play This Song on the Radio", #13 "Warm". -- Sy / ^(talk) 07:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

names in the infobox

we should use either all of their real names, or all of their common nicknames in the info box for consistency. the average nofx fan won't know that Aaron Abeyta is El Hefe, but the average fan may not even know their names to begin with so I think it shouldn't matter. Right now the article for El Hefe is titled Aaron Abeyta, but the article for Fat Mike is Fat Mike, and not Michael Burkett as it probably should be.

I'd like to propose that we use the following names in the infobox and for the band member's individual pages:

• Michael Burkett
• Aaron Abeyta
• Eric Melvin
• Erik Sandin

I think we should have redirects from the following names for each band member as well, that point to their respective articles:

• Fat Mike
• El Hefe
• Melvin
• Smelly

one of the reason's I think we should use their real names is because they all have multiple nicknames. thoughts?

--Nofxjunkee 06:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I think we need to use a combination. Not many people know the real name of Fat Mike or Hefe, but everyone knows Eric Melvin and Erik Sandin. I think it's more a matter of what's most recognizable, not uniformity. Dylan 19:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Album chronolgy

I took The Decline out of the album chronolgy (cos it's not an album), but then found that some EPs are included in the chronology (e.g. Longest Line), and others are not (e.g. Liza & Louise).

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums guideline says:

The chronology section should link to the previous album on the left and the next album on the right. (Only studio albums, usually excluding lives, compilations, singles and EPs.)

• For first albums the left box (the "Last album=" field) should be left blank.
• For latest albums, the right box (the "Next album=" field) should be left blank, or with a " . . . ".
• For final albums, the right box (the "Next album=" field) should be left blank.

There are plenty of EP, live album & comp album articles on Wikipedia that don't follow this, so I guess we need a consensus. Do we include EPs in the album chronology, do we give them their own chronology (as I started doing with The Decline) or do we follow the guideline above? If we include them in a single line chronology, they all need to be in there (even those without articles). Gram 17:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd say we separate them. nofx has a lot of records. --Nofxjunkee 19:34, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and created a separate line of chronology for the EPs. Dylan 19:19, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Press description

Whether "...in rock and roll." or "...in punk rock.", this needs a definite source:

sometimes referred to in the underground music press as "the funniest band in punk rock."

mat_x 18:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

As does this, curiously familiar, statement:

They have been also called, by many critics, one of the funniest bands ever, since a great deal of their songs has humorus material either by content, or at least by title.

mat_x 09:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Biased statement?

"(leaning to the left, like the majority of politically concerned musicians)"

The first part goes without saying, but I think that maybe the second half should be left out? That doesn't really pertain to NOFX, and is kind of hard to back up... Any thoughts?

DumberDrummer 07:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Sounds unnecessary and unverifiable, if probably true. Still, there are plenty of right-wing musicians and no-one's counting them all. I'd say remove it. --Switch 10:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Parts of this article sound a bit sycophantic. A rallying point for liberals? There were numerous movements surrounding the election, album notwithstanding.

CavalierEternal 27 March 2006

Plagerism?

However, Fat Mike once did an interview for Guitar World in 2003 giving his opinion on the pop punk bands rising at that time I believe that sentence was lifted from [1]. --notyouravgjoe 10:17, 25MAR06 (UTC)

Fontsize?

Any reason why the fontsize for this article appears to be much smaller than all the others? Or is that just my computer?

American vs. British English

(WP:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English) I don't care about the differences as long as the spelling is consistent throughout. Does this article constitute subject matter specific to the US? I'm not sure. I merely object to changes being made by bigots who believe their way is the right way (and User:70.246.99.170's edit summary certainly suggests bigotry) when an article may not have been wrong to start with. What does anybody else think? If this kind of article is considered region-specific for the intents of spelling, then fair enough, let's use US. mat_x 20:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

According to MOS if the subject is American, then the spelling should be American. I'd use the example of writing an article about JRR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings with British spelling.--Bobblehead 21:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, is that how we should interpret the guideline? I found the instruction a bit vague myself. It doesn't quite seem to go as far as to say simply 'if the subject is from X, use spelling variant X'. mat_x 08:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't say it in that many words, but it provides a list of examples and the one that is most appropriate in this case is that British English should be used in an article covering JRR Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. LotR is popular around the globe, but its origins in the UK equate to British English being used.--Bobblehead 21:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the guideline, however, I'd add that it is not natural to spell things in a dialect that is not your own. If I am writing an article on an American subject, I do not consciously think "right, best remember to spell things the US way", I just write it how I write. I have no issue with an American user changing an article about an American band to American spelling, and the justification he/she should use is the MOS. But it's totally immature for someone to make changes cos they consider a perfectly valid spelling (the original, non-bastardised spelling, if you like) as "faggy"... Gram 15:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

So, Gram, are you the same user as mat_x? Heh, if so, might want to identify one as a sockpuppet in order to stop people from wondering why Gram just editted a comment by mat_x. :) But anywho, nothing wrong with forgetting to spell in the "proper" dialect. You should make an effort, but if you make a mistake, don't worry about it, other editors can correct it. As for the edit summary left by the other user.. Take it up with the anon and referring to the American spelling as bastardized isn't much better. :) It's been over 200 years since the US has been a British colony, linguistic drift happens. If you want to be touchy about the origins of a certain spelling, then perhaps we should use the german spelling for color since english's origins are germanic. --Bobblehead 16:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Oops, looks like I overwrote Mat's comment. Apologies, it was entirely accidental.

As for "bastardised" - it was just a sarcastic comment (yeah, I know, lowest form of wit) - I meant that if one user's justification is as immature as calling English spellings "faggy", then I could be just as immature and say, "it's our language - you're the one(s) spelling it wrongly". Gram 10:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

A Better Introduction

I believe this introduction does not do justice with the band. First of all, NOFX has been known to address serious issues, they're definitely not just a "comedic" band. Second of all, it is not consistent with other band articles in Wikipedia. It is my intention to change the introduction as soon as possible. Ido50 17:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Update: I have changed the introduction. I feel it is an appropriate and informative introduction, but will be happy to receive comments about it. Ido50 18:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Update: I see it has been changed back. I don't understand why. I am asking for the editors opinion of the matter. My introduction was as follows:

NOFX is a punk rock band from Los Angeles, California, USA, formed in 1983, by singer/bassist "Fat Mike" (Real name Mike Burkett), drummer Erik Sandin and guitarist Eric Melvin. Since 1991 and after several line-up changes, El Hefe (Real name Aaron Abeyta) plays second guitar and trumpets. The band's sound is diverse, utilizing elements of skate punk, ska punk, pop-punk, hardcore punk and more. The songs of the band generally address issues such as politics, society, racism, the music industry, comedy and more.

Sources for this introduction were:

• The history section of NOFX's official website
• Punk ideology here on Wikipedia.
• NOFX on nofxwiki.net

Ido50 00:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The band do not play punk rock, they play skate punk. Which is a different form of music... just as hardcore punk is different to punk rock. Thus Minor Threat rightly have hardcore in their genre box... just as NOFX need to have skate punk.

It would seem Warped Tour fanboys may be unaware that punk rock is a short lived musical movement from the late 1970s in New York and England, not the same thing as NOFX or other skate punk acts. - Deathrocker 18:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Warped Tour fanboys? Is that supposed to be an insult? 'Cause first of all I'm from Israel, I've never been, and probably never will be, to any Warped tour. Secondly, comments like the above only prove to me that you have almost no knowledge at all of what punk rock is. It is a shame that a Wikipedia article is terrorized by the opinion of one user, who thinks they know best. # Ido50 (talk to me), at 22:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Who cares what they play by your definition? The important phrase you're missing is "Utilize elements of" skate punk, etc. Leave It Alone. GeddyIsGodYYZ 13:34, 16 November 2006

It's not skate punk at all, its just punk. END OF.

Pop-Punk

Nofx are not pop punk. I am reverting this--213.7.9.117 10:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• They do, in fact play some pop punk music, and their attitude is more in line with goofy, humourous pop punk bands than with typical punk rock bands. Much of the media and music fans consider them pop punk. This is the test of whether a band fits in a genre, not whether you personally think so. I am reverting it. Spylab 22:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid they are on the verge of being labelled 'alternative'. no way are they punk. Chud50 07:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Alternative would be way off. according to the "Punk Rock" Wiki article, "The term punk is used to describe the associated subculture, involving youthful aggression, specific clothing styles, ideologies, and a DIY (do it yourself) attitude", "Punk bands often emulate the simple musical structures and arrangements of 1960s garage rock bands. This emphasis on accessibility exemplified punk's DIY aesthetic, and contrasted with the ostentatious musicianship of many of the mainstream rock bands popular in the years before the advent of punk. " both of which certainly apply to NOFX. If nothing else than for the sake of consistency, don't change the genre to Alternative. GeddyIsGodYYZ 13:30, 16 November 2006

They've made a few softier songs that you may label pop-punk if you want, but that's far from tipping the scale to pop-punk, if anything they are skate-punk the most. Can't ignore their history, not to mention teh first totally punk albums. Yes, 30 tracks of 'WTF is this kid yelling?!' In fact they've made a few anti-pop-punk songs like The seperation of church and skate, Medio-core(although this one's more about copying music), and this line's from Fun things to fuck: Fuck a muslim, fuck a jew, fuck fans of Blink 182 (undoubtably the biggest pop-punk band of all) --Mudel 18:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Singles

were there any singles for heavy petting zoo and so long and thanks for the shoes

if so what were theyJimmypop1994 21:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, enough with the genre war!

Ok, this is ridiculous. Since when did a band with any sense of humor automatically forsake the right to be called punk? Must any funny band be considered pop-punk? The fact is, that most of their humor is in conjunction with some political statement and they are heavily politically involved not to mention on of the first and longest lasting DIY bands out there. Their music is no where near the style of crappy pop-punk bands like Blink 182 or Yellowcard. Also, it seems to me that people seem to make the mistake of thinking that punk rock has some strict musical attributes, which is far from true. All it takes to be a punk rock band is powerchords and political, leftist, or rebellious lyrics. Punk started as a movement to reflect general dis-satisfaction with society and music trends. It evolved in to a highly political and anti-mainstream forum. It's that simple, and since NoFX seems to fit that definition rather well, I say they are punk.

Mostly everyone I've heard that thinks NoFX are pop-punk have cited the band's relative mainstream popularity. That is not grounds for labelling the band pop-punk, especially if the band has achieved that popularity while remaining DIY and highly political at the same time and never once watering down the lyrics or cheapening the music.

• No, they are not considered pop punk because they have had relative mainstream popularity. They are considered pop punk by many music writers and music fans because of their attittude, lyrical content, vocal style and musical style. My suggestion is to simply label them as skate punk, because that's the only genre people here can agree on. If NOFX don't qualify as pop punk, then they certainly don't qualify as hardcore punk or ska punk. Also, the pop punk genre is a lot more varied in style, and has been around a lot longer than "crappy pop-punk bands like Blink 182 or Yellowcard." Spylab 11:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• Could this flip-flopping between subgenres be any more pointless? The band has been through a number of lineup changes in the last 20 years, they have recorded in many different styles. Why not just call them punk?

Pop-punk has been around since the ramones, but what all pop-punk bands share in common is that they almost never approach politics. NoFX does. Thus, NoFX couldn't possible be considered pop-punk.

Support for terrorism?

First post...hopefully I do this right... I don't agree with this statement: "On March 14, 2006, an EP entitled Never Trust a Hippy was released, including the song "You're Wrong," which in which NOFX announced their suport of terrorism - Jihad, Islam holy war. That song cost NOFX quite a few core fans, due to the fact that there's no joke in the killing of innocent people in the name of religion."

• There is no citation for this. NOFX does not support terrorism. Idjit 16:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

• This song does not indicate NOFX's support of terrorism in fact it says the exact opposite:

"You're wrong fighting Jihad, your blind faith in God, Your religions are all flawed." - You're Wrong - NOFX

F*** He Who Gives Bush A Bad Name Rectum Records

Umm? Is there any confirmation of this, it seems rather sketchy as I dont see any sources regarding this. It also seems quite odd that NOFX would release under "Rectum Records" and not Fat Wreck Chords.

Dave Allen

Anyone have any information on this member? Seems quite silly that the link for Dave Allen on the NOFX artical redirects to the NOFX article. I say get rid of the redirect unless someone can write something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Idjit (talk • contribs) 23:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

NOFX genre conflict and "You're wrong" jihad reference.

NOFX is a mix of many genres and depending on their mood, their genre can shift. Their music is a different sounding one from their humble starts in 1983, and its even more politically charged. Their sound in most of their music(not all) is too powerful to be completely labeled as pop punk. As well their lyrics are either too politically or offensive to be labeled as pop punk in the most cause(even their one made for radio song is incredibly politically based, "eat the meek"). Not to mention both Fat Mike's , Melvin, and El Hefe's vocals are far to harsh to be listed in there. As was listed before Screeching Weasel and Bad Religion(Closet monster, The Brat attack, etc etc) are better examples of pop punk, all of which I have a profound amount of respect for. I think the problem lies in who gets listed at pop punk, and who is listing them as pop punk. Bands like simple plan and yellowcard have both claimed a pop rock status to avoid conflict with this red headed step child of a genre. Where as bands like blink 182 and good charlotte have claimed the status only to bring it to new lows in the punk community and a tainted image(or to those looking from the outside). No, I think labeling NOFX as pop punk placing your genre skills into the wrong stock.

Also I removed the jihad reference to "You're wrong" as the original writer mistook the lyrics as the act of fighting in a jihad. It actually means they're against the act of jihad (and crusades, the Christian counterpart). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.176.115.107 (talk) 04:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

• I have also reverted this edit. I also reverted it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NOFX&oldid=98533093

There is no source on this, it is purely opinion. Poor interpretation of lyrics really. --Idjit 15:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Bikini Kill / Kathleen Hanna trivia

One of the trivia items spends some time discussing the controversy between NOFX & Bikini Kill. It seems a little one-sided, being that later on Kathleen Hanna's next band (Le Tigre) released a song called Deceptacon that is pretty much a reply to NOFX's song ("..Your lyrics are dumb like a linoleum floor.."). Well, at least that's what I've read, unfortunately I don't have links to any sources. Would be a good addition if someone can find a source, at least to fill out that bit of trivia.
PUnkX22 05:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

• OH there is, but due to the amount of suck and shallowness in the reply, it is omitted.
  • IT should still be mentioned. (Besides the fact that NOFX's Kill Rockstars was more shallow than anything Kathleen's written.)66.105.213.23 23:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
• Ha, you're joking right? She called the lyrics "dumb"(which is about half a step up from calling fat mike a poo poo head) and some how tried to make the purchase of a new van an insult. Something I don't really understand as insulting. The song might of been a half assed attempted if they didn't use such awful filler.

Straight Edge

Aren't they Straight Edge?--69.113.131.124 20:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Pretty decidedly not. -M^ask 07:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

• Their drummer is.
• I thought The drummer just quit drinking...since when does that make you straight Edge? Straight Edge is not drinking not doing drugs, not smoking tobacco, not having Sex outside of matromony and as a fan for the last 20 some years of this band I never heard anything about the drummer short of him being "sober but smelly, and that he has a big belly, from living the good life provided by Punk."

• He's married, and he went clean after he almost died after oding on heroine. In all the videos I've seen him in and live, I've never seen him smoke. Do you not have 10 years of fucking up?

Origin of Name

I changed the origin of NoFX's name, being that in any interwiews and on their website, they state that they didn't get their name from the Boston punk band named Negative FX. They said they just made up the name. Alkaline Trio Rocks 20:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

And I'm changing it back, being that in the link that was referenced from their website, they state, "We just kinda ripped off the name from an old Boston band Negative FX." Also, in the band history section of the website, they state, "I said No FX after a band who had put out one record and broken up called Negative FX. Mike agreed that it was the best one so far." --Onorem 03:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, haha I'm glad someone else caught that most obvious of mistakes. I wonder how long the first guy was reading the website for. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.164.30.51 (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

I was always told by die-hard noah fecks that the name stood for "NO Fucking Straight-Edgers" and (less believably "NO Fucking Christians" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.54.153 (talk) 05:50, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Fair use images

The use of images not in compliance with our fair-use criteria or our policy on nonfree content is not appropriate, and the images have been removed. Please do not restore them. -M^ask? 07:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

The question isn't whether they are skate punk or not

It has already been established that they are sourced to be Skate punk. The question is should this be listed in the intro paragraph. Look at other articles like Ramones, Bad Religion, and The Clash. All of those bands have multiple genres listed in their infobox, but are simply reffered to as the primary genre of punk rock in the intro paragraph.Hoponpop69 22:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The Ramones and The Clash fit the definition of standard punk rock, while NOFX don't. Its important that skate punk be in the lead, because they are famous for popularising that style of music; it should also be mentioned in the lead (with the citation) their influence on other SoCal skate punk/Warped Tour/pop punk bands who have gone on to much success because that is something they're highly notable for. - The Daddy 22:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Given that you have both undoubtedly needlessly violated (or nearly violated) WP:3RR - I've changed the intro to merely say rock. Until this is resolved I recommend it stays that way.--danielfolsom 22:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• Take a look at these google search results:

about 1,330,000 for nofx punk rock. about 147,000 for nofx skate punk

It is very clear that the band is known more predominantly as a punk rock band than a skate punk band.

Secondly the source that I keep deleting, which you claim shows a number of california bands on the warped tour were influenced by NOFX, does not mention any of this. If you post the source again I'm willing to check over it for a third time, but so far I don't not see where this information is coming from.68.114.92.198 00:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

NOFX is punk rock. As for skate punk i don't know how good the term is. They have made references to skating in their songs/album art/music videos but they are also about a lot more than skating. The lead should say punk rock because that is the most accurate way of briefly describing what they are. If there is a "definition of standard punk rock" that includes Sex Pistols AND the Ramones, then it definately includes NOFX as well, because those bands are very different from each other in a lot of ways and the similarities they share NOFX share with them. Unless the definition of standard punk is "it's from the 70s." Arguably NOFX are pop punk but only to a certain extent (many NOFX songs, nay albums, are way outside of conventional pop punk). Lead should say punk rock. infobox should say punk rock, skate punk, pop punk. (Justinboden86 15:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC))

• Just a drive-by opinion here, but given that there isn't much in the way of consistency in regards to listing "skate punk" in the lead-in for specific band articles where the bands also appear in the skate punk article, this would appear to be something of a case by case basis for listing it in the lead. Realistically I don't think anyone can legitimately and effectively argue that "skate punk" is the most correct and common sub-genre to apply to NOFX; they really ride the line between pop punk and hardcore more than anything else. If skating were intrinsically tied to their identity as a band this would be a different case, but really they are like Suicidal Tendencies, DK, Black Flag, Descendants... just a punk band that skaters listen to who have written songs about skating on occasion (and NOFX are not even one of the old skool skater bands at that). List them as "Punk Rock" in the lead and leave "Skate Punk" in the info box. Beyond that, trying to argue a "standard definition of Punk Rock" is ludicrous... there are so many variations and fusions even in first and second wave that it is nearly impossible to fit a definition of Punk into a neat little box.--Isotope23 ^talk 16:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Jumping Jesus on a Pogostick

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This is the stupidist Wikipedia talk page I have ever seen. WHO CARES. BURNyA 17:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Section archived as it has nothing to do with improving the article. --Onorem♠Dil 17:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Not a Forum

On the contrary, Wikipedia does not play host to a band forum for a genre war. Neither does the talk page. This should have ended long ago. BURNyA 17:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Content edit wars are no good, but trust me... I've seen worse.--Isotope23 ^talk 18:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

If you agree a source listing NOFX as alternative pop is a bad source...

Please speak out here [2]. Lots of people are listing this site as a source for various articles, but time and time again it gives invalid information. Hoponpop69 18:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

A larger conversation on this has opened up here.[3] Please weigh in to make sure wikipedia does not get filled with false information.Hoponpop69 03:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Summer of '69

Did NOFX ever cover this song?? If so where can i find it cause someone told me they had but im struggling to find it anywhere —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.40.238 (talk) 20:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

No — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.200.170 (talk • contribs)

You might be thinking of MXPX. They covered it on the On the Cover album. --Onorem♠Dil 12:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Genres

I'm sick and tired of having to revert vandalism by people on the genres. NOFX is NOT melodic hardcore, they ARE punk rock. Also the sourced genres such as ska punk and skate punk should NOT be removed. If the genres are changed in this way again, I will have to start giving block warnings, and I don't want to do that. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ (talk) 21:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The instructions for the infobox state that the listed genres should only be the main genre(s). And sub-genres should be listed in the body. Whatever the title sentence says, is really what should be in the infobox. Lara❤Love 18:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Genre war

What! Skate-punk? Ska punk? Pop Punk? You gotta be kidding me!

"NOFX have always prided ourselves in using our vast and comprehensive knowledge of theory and musicianship in order to perform and compose BOTH kinds of music: punk AND hardcore." [4]

"We kinda went for more of an old school sound on this record. More hardcore than the previous one. I like it. Favorite song-desperation's gone. Too bad about ska getting mainstream, I don't think I wanna play it anymore." [5]

NOFX : Punk Rock, Hardcore Punk, Ska Punk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpkmaster (talk • contribs) 01:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all, the genres in the infobox are sourced so they should not be removed. And second, an interview with the band is not a reliable source. The ones that are already listed should stay. End of story. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ(^talk/_contribs) 05:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh cmon. What if I make a webpage saying that NOFX is emocore or trashmetal? Pop-punk? my ass. You can not compare NOFX with blink 182 or fall out boy--Jpkmaster (talk) 02:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

You can't compare blink-182 with Fall Out Boy, but you just did. Try listening to some pop punk bands (other than Fall Out Boy as their music has strayed miles away from pop punk) and then listening to NOFX. There are many similarities. Timmeh^contribs 02:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No way! NOFX has a very "melodic" punk rock / hardcore punk sound, maybe that's why it sounds kinda pop punk for you. But there's one big rule for Pop-punk bands, they're not indie.Jpkmaster (talk) 01:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually melodic makes it more "pop". Indie pop punk bands, even very popular ones, are actually very numerous these days - All Time Low, The Academy Is..., and Amber Pacific just to name a few. Timmeh^contribs 02:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I have a NOFX tattoo but I'm not touching this with a 20 foot pole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.164.4.48 (talk) 10:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

who wants to help make a punk wiki?=

i know im only supposed to use this for improvements...but in a way i think it would benifit use if we made a punk wiki,so we could say one thing here and say another there like just call nofx punk rock.....kuz last time i thought of just current punk...i thought of NOFX and last time i thought of pop punk i thought of yellow card _______420 bong hits —Preceding unsigned comment added by 420bonghits (talk • contribs) 12:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Title over graphic?

This definitely seems like vandalism. And not sure how to fix it, so some help/someone just doing that would be ideal. Aodell (talk) 20:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

GA Fail

Unfortunately, this article does not meet the criteria for a Good Article. Some of the major problems that need to be addressed are:

1. It must be thoroughly referenced. Everything that is not common knowledge (most of the article) needs to be sourced.
2. References need to be formatted correctly (each needs at least a title, publisher, url and accessdate). See Wikipedia:Citing sources.
3. The lead should summarize all of the key points of the article.
4. Placing entire sentences in parentheses breaks up the flow of the article. There is no reason that these sentences would need parentheses.
5. Copyediting would help with some writing issues. Punctuation is a problem in some places, as is verb tense. The article should be written consitently in the past tense. Examples: "It would be their final album on Epitaph..." -> "It was their final album on Epitaph..." and "NOFX had signed to Epitaph..." -> "NOFX signed to epitaph..."
6. It needs to be "broad in coverage". For example, the 1990s section is just a list of albums. More information about happenings with the band would help.
7. The "Music style and influences" should be expanded. Three sentences isn't long enough to warrant an entire section.
8. The beginning of the "2000s" section should be expanded. Single-sentence paragraphs should not be used.
9. For such a colorful character, a quotation or two from Fat Mike would make the article more interesting to read.

Those are the biggest things that stand out. (1) More information so that the article doesn't read as a chronological list of albums and (2) references will be the biggest work. I feel that the changes required to get this to GA level are fairly substantial, so I am failing the article. I hope to see it as a GA some day, and I hope this feedback helps. GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)