Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo

Personal life

The name of his parents isn't those. The name of his mother is María Dolores Aveiro, and the name of his father is Jose Dinis dos Santos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.208.81.41 (talk) 22:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Summary

Using a PFA nomination as a source for saying, "Ronaldo is widely regarded as one of the most talented footballers of his generation", is very non-NPOV. Change it or I'll make a fuss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.119.3.135 (talk) 11:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Possible move to Real Madrid

As yet don't have a source to link to, but he was just recently on Portuguese television confirming that he agrees with Sepp Blatter's comments that he should be free to walk away to another club and that it's a modern day equivalent to slavery. This should get interesting. Jamesrstewart (talk) 23:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article4313059.ece Could this work? Thecomaboy (talk) 07:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

After talks with Sir Alex Ferguson,Ronaldo decided to stay with the reigning English and European champions for at least one more season. Ryan Giggs asked him to leave Old Trafford on a high like the way Eric Cantona. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makansutra (talk • contribs) 13:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Introduction

Suggest removing "(KNOWN AS THE FAKE RONALDO)" as we don't want to see the page of every footballer littered with insults from rival fans. For purely factual reasons also, as one could easily demonstrate that Cristiano Ronaldo is currently more successful and well-known than his Brazilian namesake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mongoletsi (talk • contribs) 12:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a widely used nickname, and the successful bit is very debatable. Ronaldo, the real one, has won the World Cup, World Player of the Year, two Uefa Cups, before they were meaningless, so it's not easily demonstrated that Fake Ronaldo is more successful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.83.235.56 (talk) 06:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't recall people calling Robbie Keane "THE FAKE KEANO", despite Roy Keane being vastly more successful than his Robbie. I'll accept "(known by rival fans outside of the UK, as "The Fake Ronaldo")". In the UK, there is certainly only one "Ronaldo" when referred to by fans and pundits alike. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mongoletsi (talk • contribs) 13:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Robbie Keane has never been known as Keano though. Fake ronaldo is a widely used nickname inside the uk for this chap also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbow red (talk • contribs) 00:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Only in a derogatory way though, which is a bit inappropriate for this article. – PeeJay 06:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Transfer specuation

Have removed the ridiculously biased transfer speculation section:

1) real have not made an 'approach' for ronaldo, in any official sense
2) none of the sources given actually have ronaldo claiming he wants to go to madrid. all are 'a source close' or 'a friend'. the player himself has not yet clearly or directly expressed a desire to join madrid this summer in his own words, or put in a transfer request to that effect.
3) the section contains a number of quotes from schulster, calderon, et al but little from SAF or united.
4) why on earth does sepp blatter's faintly ridiculous (widely condemmed) opinion comparing a player earning thousands a week to a slave have to do with anything?

wikpedia is a source of fact - this section bears more resemblance to Marca. wikipedia is not the place for tabloid transfer speculation (see the Ronaldinho page for a number of reverts on this basis). until the player has actually agreed to move - which at present seems highly unlikely unless real find 100 million euros down their sofa - all this warrants is a couple of linesJw2034 (talk) 08:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

• If the "approach" phrase in the section header is the issue, then we can rephrase it - while there may not have been an official transfer request or an offer, Calderon and Schuster have spoken on the record about wanting Ronaldo, and about how much it would cost.
• Which sources quotes friends? Perhaps you can replace it with this article, which has him clearly expressing his desire to play for Madrid.
• Yeah, we could use an SAF quote or two, especially the bit about how the Glazers are willing to banish him to the stands.
• As ridiculous and buffoonish as Blatter is, he *is* the president of FIFA, so his opinion does matter, sadly.

But really, there's enough WP:RS covering the saga and enough verifiable events that this little episode arguably passes WP:N. Sure, it could use some improvement, but that's not a reason to remove it. And "speculatively linked" is rather disingenuous, considering all three parties involved have acknowledged the link. --Mosmof (talk) 14:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

• This "transfer speculation" over-detailing s really unnecessary. I mean - 4 paragraphs for lots of talking? The important thing is his career, whatever he does on field and not speculations surrounding him. There are way too many details about this summer and I think that this section needs a really hard cutting. I do think that it should be mentioned, after all it got the attention of all football-fans around the world, but seriously, check football featured articles. Mostly there are 1-2 paragraphs per season. Here we’ve 4 paragraphs for a single summer, where C. Ronaldo hasn’t done anything on pitch – his career. —Preceding unsigned comment added by הגמל התימני (talk • contribs) 00:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

You know, I've edited the section, defended it, and restored it after it was deleted, but you're right, this is a bad case of WP:RECENT. I still think the media circus around the transfer, if not every little minutiae of the saga, as well as the formal complaint to FIFA are relevant, but I agree, 4 paragraphs is a bit much. It will be easier in a couple of months, when the transfer does/doesn't go through, and we have a better perspective on this. --Mosmof (talk) 02:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I would advise people to wait until after the 31 August (the closure of the transfer window) to see what happens first, and then add it in. If you see any juicy gossip in the meantime (from a reliable source, obviously, rather than just "A friend of the cousin of Ronaldo's sister's father-in-law says that he heard from a guy in the pub that Ronaldo has had secret talks with someone who looked like they might be Spanish"), then I'd save the reference somewhere and have it to hand once there is a section in the article discussing this saga. El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 07:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

As long as everything's reliably sourced, doesn't create WP:BLP issues, and we don't let things get too out of hand, I don't think it's a big deal if we let the transfer section get a little larger than we'll have it in the long run. While wikipedia's not the news, I think there's greater harm in not covering the transfer debate now and possibly losing sources/contributors than there is in letting (sourced, non defamatory) additions in, even if in the long run they may get cut because of fears of undue weight. Obviously, we should still keep the section within reason: it can be a little bigger than we'll want longterm, but shouldn't be so large as to dominate coverage. When its over, we'll have a well sourced summary of events from which to draw our eventual paragraph. I do want to emphasize that while I don't think a little bit of excess length is anything to stress over, things that could be defamatory or aren't reliably sourced are, and we should keep a close watch in that regard. Vickser (talk) 12:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that as long as this section looks a newspaper article with all those quotations, it doesn't have any legitimation to stay here. This section needs to be cut, and leave links to external-sources (such as the wonderful Wikinews) that will expand the reader's knowledge about this transfer speculation. HaGamal 12:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully all over? http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.publico.clix.pt/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPublico%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DGZEZ,GZEZ:2008-29,GZEZ:en-GB http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7546390.stm Darkson (BOOM! An interception!) 21:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Wahoo. Added that and cut most of the rest of the section. If someone wanted to add in a small paragraph about the Sepp Blatter slavery thing, that might be appropriate, but I don't think it's necessary. Vickser (talk) 22:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

(is that enough colons?) Agreed on the Blatter quote (again, despite what I wrote earlier). And based on Calderon's "He is the first and almost certainly the last signing we will make this season." statement strongly implies that Real's interest in him is pretty much dead. I'm guessing that ManU's complaint to FIFA is the only notable aspect of this transfer non-saga, since he's linked to Real or Barca pretty much every summer. Mosmof (talk) 23:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the "slavery" comment was quite an important remark in terms of the overall transfer saga. It was certainly the most controversial thing said about the whole issue anyway :D Might be worth a couple of lines. – PeeJay 23:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Hurray. Logical thinking won! Thank you all, guys. One paragraph is fairly enough. HaGamal 00:39, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

on Wednesday 6th August,Ronaldo spoke to portuguese newspaper Publico that he is staying at Manchester United for at least another year and on that day the Ronaldo transfer saga was finally closed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nani17ronaldo7 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we know, hence the two links above. Darkson (BOOM! An interception!) 15:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

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DumZiBoT (talk) 14:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

which date format to use?

A date audit has shown a mixture of both international and US. I've used US throughout now, but please buzz me if this is not a good idea. Tony (talk) 10:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Since the subject is more of interest to British and European readers, the international format should be used, BUT as long as you wikilink the dates, i.e. [[Septermber 2]] [[2008]] or [[2008-09-02]], it will be displayed in whatever format you choose in your preferences. Nonetheless, you should try to keep the format consistent, and I think the Day Month Year format would be the best. --Mosmof (talk) 15:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I'm stupid. I just read MOS:SYL. Forget what I wrote. I still like the UK format though. --Mosmof (talk) 15:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I prefer the format "2 September 2008". It's the one I use the most when editing articles anyway. I always thought that "September 2, 2008" was the American format, seeing as Americans write dates MM/DD/YYYY. – PeeJay 16:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Bid from Man City!

According to the Guardian here [1], Manchester City's new owners say they are preparing a £135m bid for Ronaldo. I wouldn't mention it in the article however until if and when they actually make the bid. This may well be a stunt intended to demonstrate the level of their ambition since it is hard to imagine that they believe that he might actually join them, but still I hope they are serious and that they make the bid if only to see Ferguson's reaction! MarkB79 (talk) 18:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Possible Error

"and wrapped up the campaign with a career-high 42 goals in all competitions, falling just two short of Denis Law's team-record mark of 46 in the 1963–64 season." Is that a mistake or am i missing somthing? --81.103.41.86 (talk) 16:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Early Career

CR initially played central defense for CF Andorinha due to his size and strength. I think that this is worth adding as so many big young players get thrown in defense for their first few matches and they mostly hate it. If they knew that this was the starting position for some great players then they might change their minds.Alextravellion (talk) 08:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Alex Travellion

Can you prove that he started his career as a central defender? – PeeJay 09:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Ronaldo playing position

To verify,Cristiano Ronaldo of Manchester United plays as a winger and a second striker.Makansutra (talk) 13:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

When Ronaldo plays up front, it's usually as a primary striker. A second striker would be more like Rooney or Tevez, playing off the top, and that's not Ronaldo's style. – PeeJay 14:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

That is his style.Ferguson used him as a second striker to partner either with Ronney or Tevez —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makansutra (talk • contribs) 15:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Not from what I've seen. When Ronaldo plays up front with Rooney or Tevez, he is used as the primary forward, with the other as the second striker. – PeeJay 15:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

hey

Ronaldo became Manchester United's first-ever Portuguese player when he signed for £12.24 million after the 2002–03 season.[10] He requested the number 28 (his number at Sporting), as he did not want the pressure of living up to the expectation linked to the number 7 shirt, which had previously been worn by team legends like Best, Bryan Robson, Eric Cantona, and David Beckham. "After I joined, the manager asked me what number I'd like. I said 28. But Ferguson said 'No, you're going to have No. 7,' and the famous shirt was an extra source of motivation. I was forced to live up to such an honour."[11]

Ronaldo playing for Manchester UnitedRonaldo made his team debut as a 60th-minute substitute in a 4-0 home victory over Bolton Wanderers, and scored United's thousandth Premier League goal on 29 October 2005 in a 4-1 loss to Middlesbrough He scored ten goals in all competitions, and fans voted him to consecutive FIFPro Special Young Player of the Year awards in 2005 and 2006, while he ranked 20th in the 2005 FIFA Player of the Year standings.

In November and December of 2006, Ronaldo received consecutive Barclays Player of the Month honours, becoming only the third player in Premier League history to do so after Dennis Bergkamp in 1997 and Robbie Fowler in 1996.[12][13] He scored his fiftieth career Manchester United goal against city rivals Manchester City F.C. as United claimed their first Premier League title in four years.

Despite rumours circulating in March 2007 that Real Madrid were willing to pay an unprecedented €80 million (£54 million) for Ronaldo,[14] he signed a five-year, £120,000-a-week extension with United on 13 April, making him the highest-paid player in team history.[15][16]

Ronaldo was involved in several diving incidents during the 2006-07 campaign. He was criticised by manager Gareth Southgate for diving in a December 2006 match against Middlesbrough.[17] On 4 February 2007, Ronaldo was again accused of diving in a match against Tottenham Hotspur when he won a penalty kick despite little contact from Tottenham winger Steed Malbranque.[18] Despite the controversies, Ronaldo nonetheless amassed a host of personal awards for the season. He won the PFA Players' Player of the Year and PFA Young Player of the Year awards, joining Andy Gray (in 1977) as the only players to receive this honor.[19] In April, he completed the treble by winning the PFA Fans' Player of the Year. Ronaldo was also one of seven Manchester United players named in the 2006–07 PFA Premier League Team of the Year.

Ronaldo's 2007–08 season began with a red card for an alleged headbutt of Portsmouth F.C. player Richard Hughes during United's second match of the season, for which he was punished with a three-match ban.[20] Ronaldo said he had "learned a lot" from the experience and would not let players "provoke" him in the future.[21] After scoring the only goal in a Champions League road match against Sporting Lisbon, Ronaldo also scored the injury-time winner in the return fixture as Manchester United topped their CL group.[22]

He finished as the runner-up to Kaká for the 2007 Ballon D'or,[23] and was third in the running for the FIFA World Player of the Year award, behind Kaká and Lionel Messi.[24]

Ronaldo scored his first hat trick for Manchester United in a 6–0 win against Newcastle United at Old Trafford on 12 January 2008, bringing Manchester United up to the top of the Premier League table.[25] He scored his twenty-third league goal of the season in a 2–0 win against Reading, equalling his entire total for the 2006–07 season.[26] During a 1–1 Champions League first knockout round draw against Olympique Lyonnais on 20 February, an unidentified Lyon supporter continuously aimed a green laser at Ronaldo and United teammate Nani, prompting an investigation by UEFA.[27] One month later, Lyon were fined CHF5,000 (£2,427) for the incident.[28]

On 19 March 2008, Ronaldo captained the United for the first time in his career in a home win over Bolton, scoring both goals in the 2–0 victory.[29] The second of the goals was his 33rd of the campaign, which set a new club single-season scoring record by a midfielder and thus topped George Best's forty-year-old total of 32 goals in the 1967–68 season.[30] Ronaldo scored another brace in a 4–0 win over Aston Villa on 29 March, which at the time gave him 35 goals in 37 domestic and European matches as both a starter and substitute. Ronaldo's torrid scoring streak was rewarded with his becoming the first winger to win the 2007–08 European Golden Shoe, finishing eight points ahead of Mallorca's Dani Güiza.[31]

In the 2007–08 Champions League final on 21 May against league rivals Chelsea, Ronaldo scored the opening goal after 26 minutes, which was negated by a Chelsea equalizer in the 45th minute as the match ended 1–1 after extra time. His misfire in the penalty shoot-out put Chelsea in position to win the trophy, but John Terry shot wide right after slipping on the pitch surface, and Manchester United emerged victorious 6–5 on penalties. Ronaldo was named the UEFA Fans' Man of the Match,[32] and wrapped up the campaign with a career-high 42 goals in all competitions, falling just four short of Denis Law's team-record mark of 46 in the 1963–64 season.

On 5 June 2008, Sky Sports reported that Ronaldo had expressed an interest in moving to Real Madrid if they offered him the same amount of money the team had allegedly promised him earlier in the year.[33] Manchester United filed a tampering complaint with FIFA on 9 June over Madrid's alleged pursuit of Ronaldo, but FIFA declined to take any action.[34][35] Speculation that a transfer would happen continued until 6 August, when Ronaldo confirmed that he would stay at Manchester for at least another year.[36]

Ronaldo underwent ankle surgery at the Academic Medical Center in Amsterdam on 7 July.[37] He returned to action on 17 September in United's UEFA Champions League goalless group-stage draw with Villarreal CF as a substitute for Park Ji-Sung,[38] and scored his first overall goal of the season in a 3–1 League Cup third round win over Middlesbrough on August 30. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.59.171 (talk) 19:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

slave club

in the section where it talks about him going to real madrid, it should be written that he agreed with sepp blaters comments that man u were treating him like a slave, is that not significant? or have all the fanboys forgotten already.:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.237.211 (talk) 23:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

New Photograph

Surely there has to be a better photo that can be used, as the one at the top of the page makes the whole article look tacky. Y2J RKO (talk) 09:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)