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Sorry to annoy you once more, but could you check out this image? Part of the FUR says "It is of much lower resolution than the original" which is confusing considering the size. Also, the source seems to be a book published in Bulgaria in 1941, which wouldn't be a reliable source, would it? Thanks in advance, Balkan Fever

h kanvassismos

ena, dia... Balkan Fever 22:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No different from this, really. By the way, what's with the dodgy Greek? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 14:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite; notification in neutral fora is generally encouraged, individual notification is more problematic. But as long as it's only two or three people it's hardly actionable anyway – we all know that the real canvassing is going on behind the scenes. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. A few fresh faces on your side of the fence, I see. Still, the opposing side's national talk page is hardly a neutral forum. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 15:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would be grateful if you could reign in your narcissistic urge to fiddle around with your own postings in multiple updates at least when you are on my talk page. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:44, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Πω πω, νευράκια... ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 15:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully there hasn't been any kind of misunderstanding, but at any rate my response in Greek under his invitation reads: "Thanks for stopping by, but I am no longer active". That's just for the record... On a side note, this bit "...the kind of ideological baggage that Greek people are unfortunately so obsessed with" ! was really uncalled for. Some kind of temporary Furor Germanicus I hope--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Giorgo, but I stand by that statement. Individuality of independent personalities notwithstanding (and you know in what esteem I have you), there is such a thing as collective traits characteristic of a group. And here we have such a one, if there ever was one. There is a certain stance towards the M. issue that is collectively characteristic of the Greek Wikipedian community in general (as the editing disputes of the last years amply demonstrate), just as it is collectively characteristic of the Greek nation as a political body in much the same way (as the political events demonstrate). That such a collective stance exists is, I think, undeniable; that it is best characterised as ideological obsession is my personal well-considered opinion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Fut, this is not about me, but Jesus! "Collective traits characteristic of a group!" Your comment includes so many gross generalisations and oversimplifications that I probably wouldn't know where to start from. I say this with regrett but I have to insist that your remark was largely unjust and uncalled for. I feel that the infamous Furor Macedonicus is actually interfering with your better judgement. Things would be quite simple in this outlandish affair if the whole naming issue were devoid of overt and incredibly UGLY political connotations concerning both sides of the dispute as well as many third parties. Political events demonstrate a lot more than what you are implying. Whether the Macedonias of this region should ultimately be called Macedonias is, as you very well know, the least of my concerns but collective name calling is a terrible terrible terrible way of going about it. It goes without saying that I wouldn't have bothered writing to you if I didn't hold you in great esteem myself but I feel that remaining silent wouldn't be the decent thing to do. I said more than I should and it's probably better not to bother you any further. Καλή σου συνέχεια και εννοείται πως η πρόσκληση για καφέ ή και κανά ουζάκι ισχύει. Νισάφι πια με τη Μακεδονία... --Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 22:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fut, if your thoughts are well-considered why is it hard for you to answer that? Just a line would be sufficient. Why do simple, civilized questions anger you to the point of censorship? can you answer one simple question? Have you ever seen something equivalent of this "hypothesis" in the Greek wiki? Have you ever seen the equivalent of this by a Greek government official? So in relation to whom are we ultra-nationalistic and aggressive? to the Japanese? Congolese? Icelanders? ... --CuteHappyBrute (talk) 11:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You bore me, brute, and that is neither cute nor does it make me happy. Read what people say instead of projecting things into them. I didn't say you were ultra-nationalistic and aggressive, and I didn't compare you to others on some aggressiveness or ultra-nationalism scale. So don't go bandying words about. What I said was that your nation (and your wiki community) is collectively obsessed with this particular issue. Those freaks on mk-wiki are a different kind of problem (and I hope you've seen how I intervened there). But what I haven't seen from them is such a tenacious collective determination to force a naming decision on us that is not shared by the English-speaking world. So, yes, in this particular issue (although it concerns them more directly than it concerns you) they are actually a lot more relaxed and a lot more mature. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. But. As I demonstrated, your "a lot more relaxed and a lot more mature" goes mathematically down the drain by comparing the behavior of each side. Not being able to admit or finding excuses is another thing, as I am sure you know you have deleted much more vandalism and ethnic attacks from the Yugo side. For example, you may find the political behavior of Greece very much fascist and harmful compared to this (where 70 civilians died). Secondly, someone who is not sure whether he is right cannot and won't be as persistent with arguments as someone who has scientific, historical and tactual political evidence by his side. The first one is sure to resort to dogmas, hypothesis and conspiracy-theory terror and find arguments in ancient Greek politicians calling each other barbarians (as they did all over Greece), undecideable evidence about a language of ancient people (that no scholar refuses they came to belong to the Koine-speaking population) and ancient kings changing ethnicity for political reasons while at the same time refusing to see and admit the whole circle of undeniable evidence. Finally I repeat, if you haven't noticed, that most of us who want disambiguated names for the country and the people of the Republic as well as the Greek province, do it because we don't want history monopolization and appropriation (not from our side or anyone's side). And if a name is another way for that, it's worth trying to make the world less confused with less friction and hate. Also the fact that any Greek is honored to be called "Makedonas" (sic) by a foreigner or "Greek-Macedonian" even though it's a pleonasm, but the other side is insulted to be called "Slav-Macedonians" or "Makedontsi" says a lot about the whole subject...

p.s. yes I noticed that you intervened there and I also noticed the wall of madness you hit there. But that wall doesn't bother you much apparently, does it? Either you believe that the great new decipherment hypothesis of the Rosetta stone is notable encyclopedic content that needs to be included in Wikipedia or your will of action is much bigger for example when it is about excluding a specific known national motto and not naming it unofficial or something... whichever one of this it is, conclusions are easy and clear. --CuteHappyBrute (talk) 14:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this time I'll leave this up as an eternal monument to the state of intellectual decay nationally-driven wikipedia editing leads to. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Greek genocide - the other sources check

You had said:

..."As for the other sources, the real ones, I'm only slowly picking up on them. I have neither much time nor easy technical access to most of this material; given the tendency of tendentious and distorting quotation I've witnessed here (see Levene, for the umpteenth time), I'm not willing to give any premature comment or endorsement to any contention based on mere lists of names"

That was more than 2 weeks ago. Please define "slowly". Niko Silver 01:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A certain other case has been forcing me to direct my attention to dealing with argumentative smokescreens elsewhere, so I'm afraid I haven't got much energy left for that one right now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, it is exactly that "attention" of yours I wanted to shift into something more productive, before it guides you into knee-kicking below the belt... You must really reconsider my advice that you seem like you are obsessed with this even more than any "nationalist" Greek seems to be. I would have never believed you would resort into such --never mind. Niko Silver 17:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What, for calling you out on the, ahem, disingenuousness of complaining against getting "categorised" as part of your national team? Look, I can sort of understand that complaint coming from people like Yannis or Tasos. But from you, Kekrops or Avg, no way. If you don't want to be categorised as an X'ian editor, don't make X'ian POV advocacy the sole focus of your editing. As for me, well, call me obsessed too, but right now I've put my sights firmly on the goal of breaking the tyrannic rule of national factions in matters like this. Even if it forces me to wade through hypocritical shit like this. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are still making sure you convey the same degrading point of view to everybody the "faction" discusses with. It is sad that you think this way. Just step back for a second and think how sorry you would be for your behavior if you realized in the end that you are wrong. Or even if you realized you are not-so-right... I sincerely feel your logic has sidelined at some crucial point in your reasoning, but I have not located that exact point yet. I am still available in case you wish to constructively discuss at WT:MOSMAC. I wish you the best. Niko Silver 10:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Muscovite evading block again

At Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Muscovite99_evading_block, you blocked Muscovite99 a further 2 months for evading a block he was currently under. An IP editor has now made the same edits that were made (edit here). This edit was made by Special:Contributions/62.118.179.114, and it should be noted that he was also found to be socking on ruwiki (ru:Википедия:Заявки_на_арбитраж/Muscovite99) with 62.118.179.117 and 62.118.179.115. A further block, if not indef, is now in order here I think? --Russavia ^Dialogue 20:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~I believe this is a retaliation by Russavia for that comment by Muscovite99 about him.~~Biophys (talk) 02:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You believe a lot of things that have no grounding in reality, I'll add this one to the list. If an editor is blocked, they are NOT allowed to edit. Instead of giving Muscovite "instructions" on how to win an edit war (was the fact it is humour lost on some?), and telling him to edit other articles (whilst blocked?), one would be better off telling him not to evade blocks and not to sockpuppet. Surely editors only can have so many concurrent blocks before it becomes evident they are plain disruptive. --Russavia ^Dialogue 02:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please take your mutual bickering off my page, you two. As for the sock, I'm not entirely sure: since it's on a different IP range I'd feel more confident if I could have some independent confirmation that the editing profiles make the identification certain. (Can't read the Russian in the ruwiki page you linked to.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure that indefinite block was appropriate especially since the sockpuppetry was not confirmed by Checkuser.Biophys (talk) 13:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is English text of discussion in RuWiki.Biophys (talk) 16:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Muscovite99 is back with yet another IP: Special:Contributions/213.221.0.102. He made this series of edits: [1], and launched a personal attack against Russavia: [2]. Offliner (talk) 15:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I replied at WP:ANI.Biophys (talk) 16:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Macedonians

Hi Future, is this edit acceptable: [3] Jingby (talk) 14:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thracians

Hi, I am curious why you left unreferenced text about Thracians being powerful warriors with red hair etc etc, while you remove actual scientific references? I know you have privileges on Wikipedia but you are nonetheless bending/breaking the rules by removing academic work. For example you removed the Dr. Aris Poulianos reference on the "Aegean anthropological" type as well as the DNA tests on Thracian bones (Cardos G. et al) which were then compared to European populations. At the same time you leave non academic statements about proposed physical characteristics of Thracians that are currently only supported by the White Supremacist community. There is academic consensus on the physical type of the Thracians and the many references prove this. Also the analysis of the Thracian Murals shows what these people looked like, which further confirms the conclusion of archeologists and physical anthropologists.

--Monshuai (talk) 15:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objections against removing even more. The whole topic of what racial characteristics these people had is quite unimportant anyway, and there doesn't seem to be much serious material about it. Poulianos is a highly controversial figure in the field whose claims should always be taken with a pinch of salt; the Cardos et al paper doesn't contain much and its claims were rather exaggerated in the way they were summarised here – for instance, the paper doesn't contain any serious discussion of whether the differences observed between the different southern European nationalities were even statistically significant. That commercial genetics website seems utterly without scientific merit to me. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you! The problem is that there is always someone who wants to utilize the Thracians as a kind of racially oriented propaganda tool to prove their own supremacy over other people. However the reality is that regardless of what people say, the Thracians were quite simply a Mediterranean people who lived throughout the Balkans and Anatolia. Thus I feel we have to stick to scientific studies and I am more than happy to work with you in collecting more academic information regarding this very topic. I also agree that we should look through the Cardos et al study and perhaps rephrase the way it has been presented in Wikipedia. It seems that every Balkan nationality wants to claim the Thracians for themselves, which in itself is not bad thing, as long as they realize that all Balkan populations to one extent or another share the Thracian heritage, be it in cultural and/or ancestral fashion. In other words, linking modern populations to an ancient people is a positive dynamic because it allows for a truth oriented solidification of one's roots that in the long-term can serve to unify various people instead of dividing them. That's why genetic studies are also a good thing as they show that we are all of mixed origins... As long as we present the diversity within us all in a properly referenced manner we can serve to catalyze constructive behaviour and thus neutralize the stupefying nationalism (itself chained to myths of purity) common in the present times.--Monshuai (talk) 09:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image Query

Just checking, is this use of an image kosher?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CFK_y_Gordon_brown_.jpg

My understanding of Argentine copyright law was that official photos weren't PD? Justin talk 17:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not generally by law, apparently, but according to the tags on the image file there was a special license given regarding the contents of that government website. Sounds plausible (and you could check with one of the people who have access to the OTRS system to verify the license, if you have doubts.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image request

Hey. If you have enough time, and/or are just bored of the usual blocking/protecting/reverting, would you be able to translate and svg-ise File:Wasscherscheiden.png? Balkan Fever 08:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, looks like a good bit of work. By the way, is it even correct enough to work from? What's that Danube-linked bit doing all the way down our favourite country and its homonymous neighbour, where the Vardar should be? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, I know close to nothing about drainage divides, so I can't really give you an answer. But your countrymen seem to think it's good enough. Balkan Fever 09:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What? "My countrymen"? Outing! Ethnic profiling! How dare you call me a German. Really. – Anyway, it seems they probably just forgot to draw the boundary between the Danube and the Vardar system. But I won't probably find much time any time soon, I'm afraid. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Castarostica

Hey there,

Catarcostica vandalized my userpage to remove a template, leaving this message: "As am sure you know there is no such standard for "mo 900" aka moldavian language. Its been revoked since may 2009. It is duty to removed from your page. Sorry if this action made you upset..it is not my purpose. I am sure you are a valued member of Wikipedia. Our common purpose is the Truth. Best regards! Costica".

I'm not very active anymore so I'm a bit worried he'll do it again and I won't notice for a month or two. Any actions you'd recommend I take? --Node (talk) 11:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for my small intrusion in your page Node_ue. It was a mistake. That is your personal page. But as you know "moldavian language" dos not have a ISO code anymore. It is recognized as a subsidiary of Romanian language.Catarcostica (talk) 05:42, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Future Perfect at Sunrise's Day!

User:Future Perfect at Sunrise has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Future Perfect at Sunrise's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Future Perfect at Sunrise!

Peace,
Rlevse
~

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thank you! :-) And this just when I thought everybody had finally found me out for the ruthless abusive edit-warrior and rogue power-abuser I really am. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yiou are clearly those things, FP, but even evil, rotten bastidges have some saving graces. ;) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 14:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations! Jingby (talk) 14:35, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User:Adnanmuf

You remember this guy, the genetics / ancient history crank from Talk:Palestinian people? He came back while his ban was still on, and got back to the old tricks, but is apparently being given free rein on the grounds that his edits are "not disruptive." Maybe take a look? <eleland/talkedits> 17:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's one confusing page for sure. The block on the Adnanmuf account would by now have run its course, so in formal terms he could now legally edit, but his account has been inactive. Which new account(s)/IPs do you claim is/are his, and when do you say did they start evading the block? Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your block of LoveMonkey

Hi,

I received an email from LoveMonkey asking me to edit his User Page to indicate that he is now "retired". Apparently, he thinks he can't do it himself because he's been "banned". Sounds to me like a self-perceived martyrdom. All I see is a message on his Talk Page from you saying that you blocked him for a short period because of disruptive editing on Ayn Rand and its talk page. He also sent an email referencing a website with a discussion about Neurolinguistic programming and a user named Peter Damian (Edward Buckner). I don't know what that's about or how it relates to the Ayn Rand article.

I've worked with LoveMonkey on a number of articles. He's prickly and hard to work with. There've been plenty of times when I have wished someone would come along and block him for me. However, he has contributed a lot of valuable content to Wikipedia and so I think it would be good to keep him around rather than chase him away.

Could you fill me in on what's going on? Was he banned or just blocked? His user page doesn't show indications of his being blocked. Is he still blocked? If so, when does the block expire?

Can you explain the reason for the block? His edits on Talk:Ayn Rand don't seem to be that egregious and I only see one edit by him in the last 500 edits to Ayn Rand. I agree that it was a bad edit and needed to be reverted but I don't see a blockable offense here.

Thanks for your assistance. --Richard (talk) 19:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The block was based on his editing of the talk page, which struck me as unproductive and inflammatory, combined with his WP:POINTy use of blockshopping. It was a short block, and is going to expire today. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of Macedonia

I will be interested to see what happens to your changes to the National Bank of Greece page. A year or so ago I went through a bit of a reversion war. I wanted "Republic of Macedonia" and someone else wanted the full FYROM. Eventually things settled down with "former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia". Acad Ronin (talk) 21:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date autoformatting poll

Hi there! I noticed that like me, you are opposed to any form of dates autoformatting. I have created some userboxes which you might like to add to your userspace to indicate your position. You will find the boxes here. Ohconfucius (talk) 06:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Before even clicking on that link, I do hope that this is an April fools joke. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, it turns out it wasn't. Bad idea. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dear

User:Future_Perfect,

Please!

Preview for page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Xanxari_en./Krahu_i_shqiponj%C3%ABs

Respectfully

--Xanxari en. (talk) 13:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No

[[4]]

No I'm not on revert parole and have not been ever.

Second there are sources claiming the Souliotes and Arvanites were Albanophone Greeks so get your facts straight.--Sadbuttrue92 (talk) 18:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

FYI. Cheers!--Yannismarou (talk) 11:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trolling?

What is trolling (re your delete, I think I will move the message on my talk page should anyone wish to see it). Thanks Politis (talk) 15:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I found it, it means, "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion." ~~Presumably~~ clearly that includes swearing by users, editors and administrators. Please, please, please stop trolling. Politis (talk) 16:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look

I have made a major edit in this page. Can you take a look, and see if it is correct. I need your opinion.Balkanian`s word (talk) 17:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I was affraid a dispute occured. I really need an opinion from an un-related editor on Talk:Cham Albanians.Balkanian`s word (talk) 18:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Non free Scouting images

As much as I like Scouting images on wiki, I think this guy is marking nonfree images as free in the belief he took the photo so it's free. Can you look into this and take appropriate action? Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NFCC#1

Hi, do the photos on this page violate NFCC#1 (An album cover as part of a discography, as per the above.)? If not they should not be marked as public domain right, as they're photos of a copyrighted project? Ryan4314 (talk) 14:59, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User:Xashaiar

Look at talk:Samanids and edits like this and this. Xashaiar's edits are full of examples like these and I'm wondering how long this attitude will be tolerated. Alefbe (talk) 21:08, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Need Assistance

Hi, I'm having one ridiculous problem on the Macedonian wiki. I was blocked "forver" for "Puppeting" because I made one change while I was logged out [5]. The IP address that I posted from was 212.25.53.71 which is the same address that I write at the moment. I was just logged out by some reason. The change that I made was to add the NPOV template, and to request a soruce (fact tag). Can a CheckUser check this and advice the admin Boyan to unblock me? I'm sorry for bothering you, but I can't even write on my talk page on the mk wiki to explain the sutuation. It's really stoopid to be blocked for making one change while logged out. --StanProg (talk) 00:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh shit, those people running amuck again? It's a bit difficult for me to intervene efficiently there, as I don't speak the language and am not really a regular contributor. Perhaps you could ask User:BalkanFever (mk:User:Балканец)? By the way, I don't see that you're blocked from using your talk page on mk-wiki, have you tried? (Or have they that feature generally disabled?) Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I tried, I'm blocked from editing the talk page as well. I'll talk with someone else. 10x --StanProg (talk) 06:33, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Left a comment on Boyan's talk; don't have time to go to and/or argue at OTA. Unless you want to write up a short notice/comment (in Macedonian) for me to post there. Not sure what else I can actually do. Balkan Fever 06:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot. It seems he was unblocked. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:54, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Battle_of_Vilnius_(1655)#Survey

Thank you for your interest; please note I've replied to your post.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:45, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::Eh, it is exactly that "attention" of yours I wanted to shift into something more productive, before it guides you into knee-kicking [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=280886231 below the belt]... You must really reconsider my advice that you seem like you are obsessed with this even more than any "nationalist" Greek seems to be. I would have never believed you would resort into such --''never mind''. [[User:NikoSilver|Niko]][[User talk:N!|Silver]] 17:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 ::: What, for calling you out on the, ahem, disingenuousness of complaining against getting "categorised" as part of your national team? Look, I can sort of understand that complaint coming from people like Yannis or Tasos. But from you, Kekrops or Avg, no way. If you don't want to be categorised as an X'ian editor, don't make X'ian POV advocacy the sole focus of your editing. As for me, well, call me obsessed too, but right now I've put my sights firmly on the goal of breaking the tyrannic rule of national factions in matters like this. Even if it forces me to wade through hypocritical shit like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=280908638&oldid=280908519 this]. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 18:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
+::::You are still [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Greece&diff=prev&oldid=281955190 making] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Horologium&diff=prev&oldid=281972323 sure] you convey the same degrading point of view to everybody the "faction" discusses with. It is sad that you think this way. Just step back for a second and think how sorry you would be for your behavior if you realized in the end that you are wrong. Or even if you realized you are not-so-right... I sincerely feel your logic has sidelined at some crucial point in your reasoning, but I have not located that exact point yet. I am still available in case you wish to constructively discuss at [[WT:MOSMAC]]. I wish you the best. [[User:NikoSilver|Niko]][[User talk:N!|Silver]] 10:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 == Muscovite evading block again ==